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		By: seyless seymore		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 22:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/fortress-aotearoa-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-349539&quot;&gt;jay11&lt;/a&gt;.

um, sorry to disappoint you but the ice sheet has been gaining mass over the past decade. nasa quietly corrected the data last year after years of manipulation to suit the cc doom narrative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/fortress-aotearoa-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-349539">jay11</a>.</p>
<p>um, sorry to disappoint you but the ice sheet has been gaining mass over the past decade. nasa quietly corrected the data last year after years of manipulation to suit the cc doom narrative.</p>
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		By: they call me trinity		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 09:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[if we don&#039;t cook, we will most certainly freeze.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if we don&#8217;t cook, we will most certainly freeze.</p>
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		By: they call me trinity		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[they call me trinity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 08:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/fortress-aotearoa-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-349543&quot;&gt;Patrize Garden&lt;/a&gt;.

Stop mining - lol - where will all this infrastructure come from? icebergs floating past?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/fortress-aotearoa-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-349543">Patrize Garden</a>.</p>
<p>Stop mining &#8211; lol &#8211; where will all this infrastructure come from? icebergs floating past?</p>
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		By: they call me trinity		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 08:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[we won&#039;t need climate change to become a Fortress under siege - a few closed off sea lanes and ripped up undersea cables will do it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we won&#8217;t need climate change to become a Fortress under siege &#8211; a few closed off sea lanes and ripped up undersea cables will do it</p>
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		By: Patrize Garden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 04:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why can&#039;t people see how critical Climate conditions already are, not just something waiting to happen – it&#039;s already happening around the world and in NZ. I guess if some folk really believe they can survive because they are wealthy then they are in for a really rude shock. No amount of money will save you or your family if you are in the wrong place when each event happens. So take heed – NZ is so lucky to be placed where it is – at least we get a fighting chance. NOW IS THE TIME to get organised; build our own pharma, engineering, industrial industries, STOP mining, use solar, wind, water energy, build drones to monitor our coastline etc. and stop the stupidity and ignorance. We need to fight this &#039;together not separately&#039;. You must surely see this? Your wealth will not save you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t people see how critical Climate conditions already are, not just something waiting to happen – it&#8217;s already happening around the world and in NZ. I guess if some folk really believe they can survive because they are wealthy then they are in for a really rude shock. No amount of money will save you or your family if you are in the wrong place when each event happens. So take heed – NZ is so lucky to be placed where it is – at least we get a fighting chance. NOW IS THE TIME to get organised; build our own pharma, engineering, industrial industries, STOP mining, use solar, wind, water energy, build drones to monitor our coastline etc. and stop the stupidity and ignorance. We need to fight this &#8216;together not separately&#8217;. You must surely see this? Your wealth will not save you.</p>
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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 00:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This RNZ piece must go in here.  It&#039;s got a map and everything.  All the things that we don&#039;t want to know,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583288/most-significant-heatwave-in-six-years-brings-temperatures-in-australia-above-45c
Dare you to read it.   Go on fellow suckers.  This is your life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This RNZ piece must go in here.  It&#8217;s got a map and everything.  All the things that we don&#8217;t want to know,<br />
<a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583288/most-significant-heatwave-in-six-years-brings-temperatures-in-australia-above-45c" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/583288/most-significant-heatwave-in-six-years-brings-temperatures-in-australia-above-45c</a><br />
Dare you to read it.   Go on fellow suckers.  This is your life.</p>
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		By: jay11		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2026 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/fortress-aotearoa-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-349539&quot;&gt;jay11&lt;/a&gt;.

We can’t save the West Antarctic. So what now?
It’s not often that I make a video with a title this bleak, but unfortunately, needs must. Several pieces of new research point to the inevitability of West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapse, which is pretty bad news. But what we do with this bad news is still up to us.

Here, I talk to the lead author of one of these new papers, Dr Kaitlin Naughten. She tells me what it all means, including why we need to focus on adaptation, and why we must take courage, not hope, from this information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_BoZDS1gjU


@mralekito
2 years ago (edited)
As your friend Jason Box says, “it hasn’t really sunk in, not even in the science community, that’s we’ve effectively lost the ice sheets. It’s only a matter of time before we see many meters of sea level rise and the world has to prepare for the catastrophe of the loss of coastlines and a retreat inland. Yet we’re acting like we can negotiate our way out of this”. 


@alanj9978
2 years ago
Exactly. The last time earth was over 400 ppm, temperatures were 3 degrees higher and sea levels were 10-30 meters higher than today. Baseline expectations should be that we return to that state, even if we stopped emissions immediately. 


@gregelliott1948
2 years ago (edited)
Sea level rise is the least of our worries when it comes to climate change (a symptom of human biological overshoot). 

@lucemiserlohn
2 years ago
Our situation is so maddening. First of all, the vast majority of people, even those that should know better, still act like we can somehow avert this. Or negotiate our way out of this with nature. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Second, while everybody pretends that this can and will have a nice, neat and good outcome, nobody is preparing for the world we will be living in. Nobody thinks about ways to adapt to a new reality, how to accomodate millions of displaced people, how to feed ourselves when we lose lots of fertile land and lose yield on the remaining land due to the other effects of climate change. Nobody prepares for the wars that will result out of this catastrophe, because sadly, there will be wars, and they&#039;ll make our World Wars look like child&#039;s play in scale and atrocities. Nobody is making plans to move entire cities out of uninhabitable zones.

There is so much work to do if we as a species want to survive the coming centuries, especially the one we&#039;re in. And yet we&#039;re doing nothing at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/fortress-aotearoa-is-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-349539">jay11</a>.</p>
<p>We can’t save the West Antarctic. So what now?<br />
It’s not often that I make a video with a title this bleak, but unfortunately, needs must. Several pieces of new research point to the inevitability of West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapse, which is pretty bad news. But what we do with this bad news is still up to us.</p>
<p>Here, I talk to the lead author of one of these new papers, Dr Kaitlin Naughten. She tells me what it all means, including why we need to focus on adaptation, and why we must take courage, not hope, from this information.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_BoZDS1gjU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_BoZDS1gjU</a></p>
<p>@mralekito<br />
2 years ago (edited)<br />
As your friend Jason Box says, “it hasn’t really sunk in, not even in the science community, that’s we’ve effectively lost the ice sheets. It’s only a matter of time before we see many meters of sea level rise and the world has to prepare for the catastrophe of the loss of coastlines and a retreat inland. Yet we’re acting like we can negotiate our way out of this”. </p>
<p>@alanj9978<br />
2 years ago<br />
Exactly. The last time earth was over 400 ppm, temperatures were 3 degrees higher and sea levels were 10-30 meters higher than today. Baseline expectations should be that we return to that state, even if we stopped emissions immediately. </p>
<p>@gregelliott1948<br />
2 years ago (edited)<br />
Sea level rise is the least of our worries when it comes to climate change (a symptom of human biological overshoot). </p>
<p>@lucemiserlohn<br />
2 years ago<br />
Our situation is so maddening. First of all, the vast majority of people, even those that should know better, still act like we can somehow avert this. Or negotiate our way out of this with nature. Nothing could be further from the truth.</p>
<p>Second, while everybody pretends that this can and will have a nice, neat and good outcome, nobody is preparing for the world we will be living in. Nobody thinks about ways to adapt to a new reality, how to accomodate millions of displaced people, how to feed ourselves when we lose lots of fertile land and lose yield on the remaining land due to the other effects of climate change. Nobody prepares for the wars that will result out of this catastrophe, because sadly, there will be wars, and they&#8217;ll make our World Wars look like child&#8217;s play in scale and atrocities. Nobody is making plans to move entire cities out of uninhabitable zones.</p>
<p>There is so much work to do if we as a species want to survive the coming centuries, especially the one we&#8217;re in. And yet we&#8217;re doing nothing at all.</p>
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		By: gordon walker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2026 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We will all starve because we are exporting every bit of meat we grow and importing lower quality to feed our selves ,ripping out fruit trees asap and next the whole canning of food will be shut down .We are becoming dependant on imports of everything as we keep closing manufacturing as we continue the race to the bottom that we have been on for decades driven by greed and low incomes for the workers .The speed is gathering momentum every year as more and more industries are closed and cheap shit from elsewhere floods in to fill landfills next week .A friend was telling me this week that the aluminum extrusions he uses were NZ  made but are now imported from China along with a mountain of packaging and inferior quality that requires rework once landed .False economy .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will all starve because we are exporting every bit of meat we grow and importing lower quality to feed our selves ,ripping out fruit trees asap and next the whole canning of food will be shut down .We are becoming dependant on imports of everything as we keep closing manufacturing as we continue the race to the bottom that we have been on for decades driven by greed and low incomes for the workers .The speed is gathering momentum every year as more and more industries are closed and cheap shit from elsewhere floods in to fill landfills next week .A friend was telling me this week that the aluminum extrusions he uses were NZ  made but are now imported from China along with a mountain of packaging and inferior quality that requires rework once landed .False economy .</p>
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		By: jay11		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2026 18:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Antarctica is melting fast too. The West Antarctic ice sheet is going and will with its glaciers raise eventually sea level 3-5 metres!   &quot; UC Irvine professor Eric Rignot is featured in this Emmy-winning HBO series VICE where he discusses his findings of Antarctica’s melting ice sheets and the global impact of sea level rise. He told VICE founder and producer Shane Smith that glaciers in West Antarctica’s Amudsen Sea have “passed the point of no return” and their disappearance could trigger the collapse of the entire West Antarctic ice sheet, which could raise global sea levels by up to five meters – or 15 feet. Such an event could severely submerge the world&#039;s heavily populated coastal areas, and force us to redraw the world map as we know it. &quot;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plkkfEY9cGs&#038;t=2s


@wrenyere9393
3 years ago
This is difficult to accept, but very necessary to see and accept. We need immediate action to respond to this inevitable catastrophe. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, but we should at least be mobilizing to move coastal communities away from danger! People&#039;s lives are in imminent danger, but even getting the right people to acknowledge that, let alone do anything about it, seems impossible. There is so much more that should be happening right now to respond to this, but someone like me can&#039;t make the money needed to undertake this appear out of thin air, and the people that do have the kind of money necessary would rather spend it on endless wars and lining their own coffers. Do they not realize that all the money in the world won&#039;t matter when we have 3+ meters of sea level rise?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antarctica is melting fast too. The West Antarctic ice sheet is going and will with its glaciers raise eventually sea level 3-5 metres!   &#8221; UC Irvine professor Eric Rignot is featured in this Emmy-winning HBO series VICE where he discusses his findings of Antarctica’s melting ice sheets and the global impact of sea level rise. He told VICE founder and producer Shane Smith that glaciers in West Antarctica’s Amudsen Sea have “passed the point of no return” and their disappearance could trigger the collapse of the entire West Antarctic ice sheet, which could raise global sea levels by up to five meters – or 15 feet. Such an event could severely submerge the world&#8217;s heavily populated coastal areas, and force us to redraw the world map as we know it. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plkkfEY9cGs&#038;t=2s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plkkfEY9cGs&#038;t=2s</a></p>
<p>@wrenyere9393<br />
3 years ago<br />
This is difficult to accept, but very necessary to see and accept. We need immediate action to respond to this inevitable catastrophe. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, but we should at least be mobilizing to move coastal communities away from danger! People&#8217;s lives are in imminent danger, but even getting the right people to acknowledge that, let alone do anything about it, seems impossible. There is so much more that should be happening right now to respond to this, but someone like me can&#8217;t make the money needed to undertake this appear out of thin air, and the people that do have the kind of money necessary would rather spend it on endless wars and lining their own coffers. Do they not realize that all the money in the world won&#8217;t matter when we have 3+ meters of sea level rise?</p>
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