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		By: gin hag		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gin hag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163006&quot;&gt;A man&lt;/a&gt;.

yes, and where are the girl mechanics, auto-electricians, plumbers, shearers, engineers, who could earn the good money and technical knowledge on the ground.  Simply a closed shop from trade school application &#038; interview to mta members final accounts .]]></description>
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<p>yes, and where are the girl mechanics, auto-electricians, plumbers, shearers, engineers, who could earn the good money and technical knowledge on the ground.  Simply a closed shop from trade school application &amp; interview to mta members final accounts .</p>
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		By: Liz Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2021 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162995&quot;&gt;OnceWasTim&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s an impressive response, OWT, describing a very damaged community that aspires to nothing more than to rule the country in their own image. It appears that some young women are not prepared to let it be, taking it to the blokes on their own times.  This is potentially heartening and may lead to change, because what do these blokes do when their parents chuck them out and they can&#039;t get a trophy wife?]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s an impressive response, OWT, describing a very damaged community that aspires to nothing more than to rule the country in their own image. It appears that some young women are not prepared to let it be, taking it to the blokes on their own times.  This is potentially heartening and may lead to change, because what do these blokes do when their parents chuck them out and they can&#8217;t get a trophy wife?</p>
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		By: Snow White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163003&quot;&gt;John W&lt;/a&gt;.

Think as you will, but I suggest that there is an insanity abroad when people, and especially children, are being judged on the basis of their gender, or race, or ethnicity, 
and then being attributed with negative anti-social qualities because of these, and once again, dead men of history, being blamed.

I’ll do some judging now too, and say that a school full of Australian boys being told to stand in assembly,  and to apologise for being boys, is disgraceful. Unlike Sir Bill, who led the disparaging of our young New Zealand males, I’m on the boys’ side. Always was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163003">John W</a>.</p>
<p>Think as you will, but I suggest that there is an insanity abroad when people, and especially children, are being judged on the basis of their gender, or race, or ethnicity,<br />
and then being attributed with negative anti-social qualities because of these, and once again, dead men of history, being blamed.</p>
<p>I’ll do some judging now too, and say that a school full of Australian boys being told to stand in assembly,  and to apologise for being boys, is disgraceful. Unlike Sir Bill, who led the disparaging of our young New Zealand males, I’m on the boys’ side. Always was.</p>
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		By: A man		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162994&quot;&gt;Liz Gordon&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Liz,

I really enjoy your blog posts, thank you.

The logical fallacies that litter your comments should be justification enough that you are on the right track.

Unfortunately a lot of men and women fail to see the sheer imbalance of power, opportunity, and entitlement of those with testicles over those without, that has been right in front of their very eyes for so long.

One only has to compare the number of male Prime Ministers, Presidents, CEOs, Partners, General Managers, Scientists, Athletes, Authors, Artists, Composers - and even Headmasters, throughout history, compared to the number of females recognised in these fields to see the sheer inter-generational imbalance at play i.e. Inequality.

Keep &#039;em coming Liz!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162994">Liz Gordon</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Liz,</p>
<p>I really enjoy your blog posts, thank you.</p>
<p>The logical fallacies that litter your comments should be justification enough that you are on the right track.</p>
<p>Unfortunately a lot of men and women fail to see the sheer imbalance of power, opportunity, and entitlement of those with testicles over those without, that has been right in front of their very eyes for so long.</p>
<p>One only has to compare the number of male Prime Ministers, Presidents, CEOs, Partners, General Managers, Scientists, Athletes, Authors, Artists, Composers &#8211; and even Headmasters, throughout history, compared to the number of females recognised in these fields to see the sheer inter-generational imbalance at play i.e. Inequality.</p>
<p>Keep &#8217;em coming Liz!</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162996&quot;&gt;gin hag&lt;/a&gt;.

100% Gin Hag
And many by a mile.]]></description>
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<p>100% Gin Hag<br />
And many by a mile.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163004</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162994&quot;&gt;Liz Gordon&lt;/a&gt;.

Liz some of what you are trying to put into discussion is a difficult undertaking and shows respect and concern for growing teenagers.
But some of what you have commented on may well be outside of some readers comprehension.   They may have never profited from a secular co-educational nurture.
Reading the titles in some secondary school song books causes a shudder at the indoctrination by song en masse.  Insidious stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162994">Liz Gordon</a>.</p>
<p>Liz some of what you are trying to put into discussion is a difficult undertaking and shows respect and concern for growing teenagers.<br />
But some of what you have commented on may well be outside of some readers comprehension.   They may have never profited from a secular co-educational nurture.<br />
Reading the titles in some secondary school song books causes a shudder at the indoctrination by song en masse.  Insidious stuff.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163003</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162992&quot;&gt;Snow White&lt;/a&gt;.

Snow White.  In reading your blog , ignoring the name dropping and personal references I find it hard to take solace from your comments as you have reportedly been a part of the systems the article is about.
: The issue is control, not misogyny, and it is certainly not necessarily a gender issue,&quot;
The quote above stands out to me as the issues are not mutually exclusive nor what many would see as the underlying issues to unhappiness in NZ.
Many of our adult values are shaped by college years.
Elitism is a dangerous lens to see the world through.

Them and us stuff.

I decline from commenting on wars unless its a fuller discussion on who they were for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162992">Snow White</a>.</p>
<p>Snow White.  In reading your blog , ignoring the name dropping and personal references I find it hard to take solace from your comments as you have reportedly been a part of the systems the article is about.<br />
: The issue is control, not misogyny, and it is certainly not necessarily a gender issue,&#8221;<br />
The quote above stands out to me as the issues are not mutually exclusive nor what many would see as the underlying issues to unhappiness in NZ.<br />
Many of our adult values are shaped by college years.<br />
Elitism is a dangerous lens to see the world through.</p>
<p>Them and us stuff.</p>
<p>I decline from commenting on wars unless its a fuller discussion on who they were for.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-163002</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162993&quot;&gt;Applewood&lt;/a&gt;.

1877 NZ passed a law stating that education would be compulsory, free and secular, all three provision having sound foundations and thrashed out for months before being agreed  to by mainly church lay people.
New Zealand has led the world in this aspect which has been fundamental in kids from all walks growing up together and better understanding each other.

Having religion tacked onto institution dealing with minors just makes it harder for minors  to report harm as shown in many testimonies given in more recent times.

The psychological abuse and grooming with fear of the devil being used to attempt to hide the perversion, broke many young peoples trust in themselves and the world around the leading to life long negative consequences.

A good read about the stages and changes in education and schooling in NZ from early times through may shed a bit more light on the elitism that still continues today.  Evidence of it shows in some parts of blogs above.

It has taken a long time for some colleges to accept the rainbow students and welcome them into all parts of college life without compromise.

Education is not about winners and loosers nor exam results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162993">Applewood</a>.</p>
<p>1877 NZ passed a law stating that education would be compulsory, free and secular, all three provision having sound foundations and thrashed out for months before being agreed  to by mainly church lay people.<br />
New Zealand has led the world in this aspect which has been fundamental in kids from all walks growing up together and better understanding each other.</p>
<p>Having religion tacked onto institution dealing with minors just makes it harder for minors  to report harm as shown in many testimonies given in more recent times.</p>
<p>The psychological abuse and grooming with fear of the devil being used to attempt to hide the perversion, broke many young peoples trust in themselves and the world around the leading to life long negative consequences.</p>
<p>A good read about the stages and changes in education and schooling in NZ from early times through may shed a bit more light on the elitism that still continues today.  Evidence of it shows in some parts of blogs above.</p>
<p>It has taken a long time for some colleges to accept the rainbow students and welcome them into all parts of college life without compromise.</p>
<p>Education is not about winners and loosers nor exam results.</p>
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		By: John W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2021 12:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162990&quot;&gt;XRAY&lt;/a&gt;.

Xray you are obviously to my eye, fairly stirred up about this article.
&quot;for assuming that the occupants of that school are all predators and rapists based on their gender. The warped logic is inescapable.&quot;

Yes the logic may be warped if it existed in the article.

As far as educational standards go a much wider measure is needed than a list of exam results which are often manipulated.
The achievement of student often reflects their intelligence in an academic sense and the home support.
Many poorer families don&#039;t have their kids attending the private or now semi private integrated colleges where parental contributions are often heavy and can buy favour for their child.

I wont even begin to relate horror stories about cultures and cruelty in boys boarding schools where I was called on to give witness to physical and psychological harm that appeared to be inter generational.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/dr-liz-gordon-schooling-for-misogyny/#comment-162990">XRAY</a>.</p>
<p>Xray you are obviously to my eye, fairly stirred up about this article.<br />
&#8220;for assuming that the occupants of that school are all predators and rapists based on their gender. The warped logic is inescapable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes the logic may be warped if it existed in the article.</p>
<p>As far as educational standards go a much wider measure is needed than a list of exam results which are often manipulated.<br />
The achievement of student often reflects their intelligence in an academic sense and the home support.<br />
Many poorer families don&#8217;t have their kids attending the private or now semi private integrated colleges where parental contributions are often heavy and can buy favour for their child.</p>
<p>I wont even begin to relate horror stories about cultures and cruelty in boys boarding schools where I was called on to give witness to physical and psychological harm that appeared to be inter generational.</p>
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		By: Geoff Lye		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2021 08:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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