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		By: Rodlawrie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodlawrie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find this whole thing just plain laughable. These silly people in the Green party really are egotistical narcissistic  nuts. Their entitlement both of those in Parliament and those sitting in the wings is profound. Obviously they are reasonably intelligent enough to get Cornies packet qualifications but they seem to have been behind the door when common sense was given out.
Surely we can expect better from the people who are put in Parliament to represent us? But the horrible fact remains - people still vote for these morons! It doesn&#039;t say much for us as a society. Combine that with the horrific abuse statistics and we truly are nation of neanderthals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole thing just plain laughable. These silly people in the Green party really are egotistical narcissistic  nuts. Their entitlement both of those in Parliament and those sitting in the wings is profound. Obviously they are reasonably intelligent enough to get Cornies packet qualifications but they seem to have been behind the door when common sense was given out.<br />
Surely we can expect better from the people who are put in Parliament to represent us? But the horrible fact remains &#8211; people still vote for these morons! It doesn&#8217;t say much for us as a society. Combine that with the horrific abuse statistics and we truly are nation of neanderthals.</p>
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		By: Geoff Fischer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Fischer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2024 07:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300176&quot;&gt;Bozo&lt;/a&gt;.

The defects of FPP were readily apparent.   The defects of MMP are now becoming evident.   A better alternative to both FPP and MMP would be based on variable constituencies, continuous election and the open ballot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300176">Bozo</a>.</p>
<p>The defects of FPP were readily apparent.   The defects of MMP are now becoming evident.   A better alternative to both FPP and MMP would be based on variable constituencies, continuous election and the open ballot.</p>
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		By: Geoff Fischer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Fischer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2024 07:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300175&quot;&gt;Andrew2&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem for you may be &quot;leftist radicals&quot;, Andrew2, but the problem we were discussing was what to do about elected representatives who are either personally discredited or betray the platform on which they were elected.   This problem has affected all political parties, from the right, left and centre in recent years.  The system as it stands has no effective and fair way of dealing with the problem.   However there is an obvious solution: continuous election and the open ballot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300175">Andrew2</a>.</p>
<p>The problem for you may be &#8220;leftist radicals&#8221;, Andrew2, but the problem we were discussing was what to do about elected representatives who are either personally discredited or betray the platform on which they were elected.   This problem has affected all political parties, from the right, left and centre in recent years.  The system as it stands has no effective and fair way of dealing with the problem.   However there is an obvious solution: continuous election and the open ballot.</p>
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		By: Bozo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bozo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300173&quot;&gt;Geoff Fischer&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The political system is the problem. And it can be easily fixed&quot;

Well, not that easily. For better or worse we adopted MMP. Yes, it addresses the deeply flawed FPP system but what MMP encourages are opportunists off the list, sometimes way down the list, and that&#039;s where the problems lies. They bring with them their own agendas, and I&#039;d hazard a guess a good many voters are oblivious to this when they tick the Party vote. Not that self-serving opportunists are unheard of in politics,  but smaller Parties in particular, desperate for charismatic running candidates, will for the most part turn a blind eye. At least with FPP all running candidates were endorsed by the electorate, what you saw is what you got. Still partly true but who knows who you&#039;ll get off the list - other than the list of names.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300173">Geoff Fischer</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The political system is the problem. And it can be easily fixed&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, not that easily. For better or worse we adopted MMP. Yes, it addresses the deeply flawed FPP system but what MMP encourages are opportunists off the list, sometimes way down the list, and that&#8217;s where the problems lies. They bring with them their own agendas, and I&#8217;d hazard a guess a good many voters are oblivious to this when they tick the Party vote. Not that self-serving opportunists are unheard of in politics,  but smaller Parties in particular, desperate for charismatic running candidates, will for the most part turn a blind eye. At least with FPP all running candidates were endorsed by the electorate, what you saw is what you got. Still partly true but who knows who you&#8217;ll get off the list &#8211; other than the list of names.</p>
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		By: Andrew2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300173&quot;&gt;Geoff Fischer&lt;/a&gt;.

It is none of these that is the problem. This problem is the outside problem of a &quot;my wokeness is bigger than your wokeness&quot; attitude rearing it&#039;s head in parliament. This is a full on leftist radical &quot;more than you&quot; bragging contest not being pointed out for the childish game it is and put in perspective properly so real issues can be properly addressed. 

This problem is a creeping undercurrent in some of our society that is a smaller but very real extremist idea in the vein of the far right. And just as damaging to politics and the future in the long term if not addressed properly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/darleen-tana-and-the-power-of-identity-politics-in-nz/#comment-300173">Geoff Fischer</a>.</p>
<p>It is none of these that is the problem. This problem is the outside problem of a &#8220;my wokeness is bigger than your wokeness&#8221; attitude rearing it&#8217;s head in parliament. This is a full on leftist radical &#8220;more than you&#8221; bragging contest not being pointed out for the childish game it is and put in perspective properly so real issues can be properly addressed. </p>
<p>This problem is a creeping undercurrent in some of our society that is a smaller but very real extremist idea in the vein of the far right. And just as damaging to politics and the future in the long term if not addressed properly.</p>
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		By: joseph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;where poor white people have become as easily triggered as middle class woke activists  and now see themselves as the victim&quot;

But &quot;poor&quot; white people are real economic victims while middle class people with enough food on the table and time on their hands to contemplate pronouns and choose sterility drugs and self-mutilition as a way forward haven&#039;t yet figured out they are victims of the &#039;woke mind virus&#039;. We are all victims now.

Just like the state abuse victims there will be a generation of Trans victims in need of compensation - due to policies promoted by a formerly environmentalist party. Tree hugging was victimless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;where poor white people have become as easily triggered as middle class woke activists  and now see themselves as the victim&#8221;</p>
<p>But &#8220;poor&#8221; white people are real economic victims while middle class people with enough food on the table and time on their hands to contemplate pronouns and choose sterility drugs and self-mutilition as a way forward haven&#8217;t yet figured out they are victims of the &#8216;woke mind virus&#8217;. We are all victims now.</p>
<p>Just like the state abuse victims there will be a generation of Trans victims in need of compensation &#8211; due to policies promoted by a formerly environmentalist party. Tree hugging was victimless.</p>
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		By: Geoff Fischer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Fischer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There has been a lot of anonymous comment here variously suggesting that Darleen Tana is the problem, women are the problem, Maori are the problem and the Green Party is the problem, all of which misses the mark.  The political system is the problem.   And it can be easily fixed.   Except that some people would rather go on blaming women and Maori for the defects of a political system which is intended to enable corruption and which consequently and inevitably will be corrupted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of anonymous comment here variously suggesting that Darleen Tana is the problem, women are the problem, Maori are the problem and the Green Party is the problem, all of which misses the mark.  The political system is the problem.   And it can be easily fixed.   Except that some people would rather go on blaming women and Maori for the defects of a political system which is intended to enable corruption and which consequently and inevitably will be corrupted.</p>
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		By: Andrew2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People like myself have also pointed out the rise of this exact Maori jump onto the woke train and been shouted down and told to shut up. There are very few who even think if it and less that would try it, but with Tana being loud and proud about it be ready for more &quot;I&#039;m Maori so my argument is more important&quot; people jumping the shark in arguments.

This is much on the same line that has had a student of mine demanding I pronounce her name correctly (I did because I try to get everyone&#039;s name correct out of basic respect) but also stating that she didn&#039;t have to say my name correctly because she was Maori and it was not important to worry about small pakeha concerns.

Months with a wildly diverse group from around the world and she changed and opened up. Proud of her culture and determined to share it, but also realizing there were plenty other cultures and they didn&#039;t have to be adversaries. Unfortunately a lot of the small group of people who support Tana and believe in the idea she claimed are never going to leave their little worlds and be exposed to reality. This problem will grow unless the Greens start leading the way in stomping out petty ridiculousness and getting things back on track.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like myself have also pointed out the rise of this exact Maori jump onto the woke train and been shouted down and told to shut up. There are very few who even think if it and less that would try it, but with Tana being loud and proud about it be ready for more &#8220;I&#8217;m Maori so my argument is more important&#8221; people jumping the shark in arguments.</p>
<p>This is much on the same line that has had a student of mine demanding I pronounce her name correctly (I did because I try to get everyone&#8217;s name correct out of basic respect) but also stating that she didn&#8217;t have to say my name correctly because she was Maori and it was not important to worry about small pakeha concerns.</p>
<p>Months with a wildly diverse group from around the world and she changed and opened up. Proud of her culture and determined to share it, but also realizing there were plenty other cultures and they didn&#8217;t have to be adversaries. Unfortunately a lot of the small group of people who support Tana and believe in the idea she claimed are never going to leave their little worlds and be exposed to reality. This problem will grow unless the Greens start leading the way in stomping out petty ridiculousness and getting things back on track.</p>
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		By: Geoff Fischer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Fischer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 05:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It could be said that Darleen Tana has exploited weaknesses in the system at two points.  First by gaining candidate status and a high place on the list when she had no real record on which she could be judged.   Second, by insisting, correctly for the moment, that once in Parliament that she has a right to stay there.  The Electoral Integrity Amendment Act is not a fix to either of these failings in the system.   Democracy would be, if the colonialist regime was to allow a genuine democracy.   To enter a representative assembly Tana, and every other representative, would need to have her own personal backing, and to stay there she would need to retain that backing.   Everyone could know what support Tana had, and could see when she lost it.  To that end we would need a continuous open ballot and elector defined constituencies.     But the political establishment would rather engage in these debilitating and distracting political feuds, personality conflicts and witch-hunts within its own ranks than give the people democratic control over those who are supposed to be their representatives.   If the consequences were not so serious it would be a joke.   The Green Party is as culpable as all the rest, because the last thing it seems to want is to give power back to the people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be said that Darleen Tana has exploited weaknesses in the system at two points.  First by gaining candidate status and a high place on the list when she had no real record on which she could be judged.   Second, by insisting, correctly for the moment, that once in Parliament that she has a right to stay there.  The Electoral Integrity Amendment Act is not a fix to either of these failings in the system.   Democracy would be, if the colonialist regime was to allow a genuine democracy.   To enter a representative assembly Tana, and every other representative, would need to have her own personal backing, and to stay there she would need to retain that backing.   Everyone could know what support Tana had, and could see when she lost it.  To that end we would need a continuous open ballot and elector defined constituencies.     But the political establishment would rather engage in these debilitating and distracting political feuds, personality conflicts and witch-hunts within its own ranks than give the people democratic control over those who are supposed to be their representatives.   If the consequences were not so serious it would be a joke.   The Green Party is as culpable as all the rest, because the last thing it seems to want is to give power back to the people.</p>
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		By: Binders full of women		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Binders full of women]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My young daughters (who are pretty woke) have a good lol at the young Americans who are tiktokking &quot;Ma pronouns are U S and A&quot;. Lefties create dumb shit and it will get used against them. Tana&#039;s a &#039;they&#039; = she&#039;s tryna get higher on the woke hierarchy of oppression...what next a wheelchair? and cane?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My young daughters (who are pretty woke) have a good lol at the young Americans who are tiktokking &#8220;Ma pronouns are U S and A&#8221;. Lefties create dumb shit and it will get used against them. Tana&#8217;s a &#8216;they&#8217; = she&#8217;s tryna get higher on the woke hierarchy of oppression&#8230;what next a wheelchair? and cane?</p>
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