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		By: Tiger Mountain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiger Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 21:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/big-government-back-or-has-labour-lost-the-domestic-agenda-to-the-wellington-neolibral-bureaucratic-elites/#comment-162057&quot;&gt;Yeti&lt;/a&gt;.

US Police unions serve their members well too, but at some cost to their society and non white individuals in particular.

While I would definitely not directly equate bent cop unions with the PSA, the PSA has a negative effect on thousands of New Zealanders via its political neutrality–i.e. support for the neo liberal status quo, and with MSD, ACC, and Kainga Ora case managers not providing full lawful entitlements and practising discriminatory behaviour. 

The PSA leadership in fact was a prime enabler of the 1991 Employment Contracts Act that started the decline of the NZ Union Movement, and the low membership density of today. At a special NZCTU Affiliates meeting in Wellington the PSA voted against a national workers stoppage to try and stop the ECA, despite thousands of its members taking action around the country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/big-government-back-or-has-labour-lost-the-domestic-agenda-to-the-wellington-neolibral-bureaucratic-elites/#comment-162057">Yeti</a>.</p>
<p>US Police unions serve their members well too, but at some cost to their society and non white individuals in particular.</p>
<p>While I would definitely not directly equate bent cop unions with the PSA, the PSA has a negative effect on thousands of New Zealanders via its political neutrality–i.e. support for the neo liberal status quo, and with MSD, ACC, and Kainga Ora case managers not providing full lawful entitlements and practising discriminatory behaviour. </p>
<p>The PSA leadership in fact was a prime enabler of the 1991 Employment Contracts Act that started the decline of the NZ Union Movement, and the low membership density of today. At a special NZCTU Affiliates meeting in Wellington the PSA voted against a national workers stoppage to try and stop the ECA, despite thousands of its members taking action around the country.</p>
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		By: Tiger Mountain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/big-government-back-or-has-labour-lost-the-domestic-agenda-to-the-wellington-neolibral-bureaucratic-elites/#comment-162058&quot;&gt;OnceWasTim&lt;/a&gt;.

You are onto it OnceWasTim…“continuous improvement”…bwahahaha!! continuous capture of Ministers by their Departments more like.

Management speak is risible if you have the misfortune to have to listen to it “going forward”, “circle back”, “its on my radar”, “thought shower”, “synergy”, “action that”…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/big-government-back-or-has-labour-lost-the-domestic-agenda-to-the-wellington-neolibral-bureaucratic-elites/#comment-162058">OnceWasTim</a>.</p>
<p>You are onto it OnceWasTim…“continuous improvement”…bwahahaha!! continuous capture of Ministers by their Departments more like.</p>
<p>Management speak is risible if you have the misfortune to have to listen to it “going forward”, “circle back”, “its on my radar”, “thought shower”, “synergy”, “action that”…</p>
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		By: OnceWasTim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 06:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Then why not sack them?&quot;
Because it&#039;s not the done thing doncha know @ CB.  We have to face it. With the exception of one or two in the Labour Ministerial ranks, they&#039;ve been captured. Rather than their being sacked (managerialist snr and muddle mngmt employees paid handsomely by the state, they&#039;re promoted. Some of them even have embellished C.V&#039;s on LinkedIn - not only to prove their worth, but also as an example of the corporatisation of our civil service.
Example after example of bureaucrats not acting as public &#039;servants&#039;, and often not even attempting to implement policies we voted for. 
Even Little (after a good start with Pike River) appears to have succumbed, and Hipkins is buying into the comms and marketing line.
(I heard him talk of &quot;continuous improvement&quot; the other day, and had to ask whether or not he&#039;d browsing around the Unity Books self-improvement, management theory and marketing sections). 
A government - in theory - with such a thumping majority really should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Unfortunately, there&#039;s just not the will among the teacher&#039;s pets - kind and compassionate, but conservative teacher that she is.
Where&#039;s that handbrake now? The same place it always was and it even has a brake pad retread or two parachuted in from the empire.
Pick any measure. IS the housing crisis better now than it was 4 years ago? Is the health system? How about edjakayshun. How about that copied &quot;best practice&quot; in immigration and  what we&#039;re doing with refugees? And what about public service broadcasting and a plurality of voice in the 4th Estate. What about Chile Poverdy. What about the unwillingness to adequately support victims of the Christchurch massacre - lest it set a &quot;precedent&quot; - despite precendents already having been set.

They can&#039;t walk and chew gum at the same time simply because they don&#039;t really want to, and Jacinda can&#039;t do everything - not even delegate.
The new intake of MPs (a couple of whom would make far better Ministers than one or two licking the teacher and public servant boots at the moment) might get a look in. But by the time they do, it&#039;ll probably be too late.
Things are going to have to get a bit worse yet. But please, after they have, and when the Labour Party does finally make an attempt to get back to its founding principles, let&#039;s not give its hijackers the time of day. (Well I &#039;spose we could make one exception and let JA do the comms and handle the loiks).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then why not sack them?&#8221;<br />
Because it&#8217;s not the done thing doncha know @ CB.  We have to face it. With the exception of one or two in the Labour Ministerial ranks, they&#8217;ve been captured. Rather than their being sacked (managerialist snr and muddle mngmt employees paid handsomely by the state, they&#8217;re promoted. Some of them even have embellished C.V&#8217;s on LinkedIn &#8211; not only to prove their worth, but also as an example of the corporatisation of our civil service.<br />
Example after example of bureaucrats not acting as public &#8216;servants&#8217;, and often not even attempting to implement policies we voted for.<br />
Even Little (after a good start with Pike River) appears to have succumbed, and Hipkins is buying into the comms and marketing line.<br />
(I heard him talk of &#8220;continuous improvement&#8221; the other day, and had to ask whether or not he&#8217;d browsing around the Unity Books self-improvement, management theory and marketing sections).<br />
A government &#8211; in theory &#8211; with such a thumping majority really should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Unfortunately, there&#8217;s just not the will among the teacher&#8217;s pets &#8211; kind and compassionate, but conservative teacher that she is.<br />
Where&#8217;s that handbrake now? The same place it always was and it even has a brake pad retread or two parachuted in from the empire.<br />
Pick any measure. IS the housing crisis better now than it was 4 years ago? Is the health system? How about edjakayshun. How about that copied &#8220;best practice&#8221; in immigration and  what we&#8217;re doing with refugees? And what about public service broadcasting and a plurality of voice in the 4th Estate. What about Chile Poverdy. What about the unwillingness to adequately support victims of the Christchurch massacre &#8211; lest it set a &#8220;precedent&#8221; &#8211; despite precendents already having been set.</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t walk and chew gum at the same time simply because they don&#8217;t really want to, and Jacinda can&#8217;t do everything &#8211; not even delegate.<br />
The new intake of MPs (a couple of whom would make far better Ministers than one or two licking the teacher and public servant boots at the moment) might get a look in. But by the time they do, it&#8217;ll probably be too late.<br />
Things are going to have to get a bit worse yet. But please, after they have, and when the Labour Party does finally make an attempt to get back to its founding principles, let&#8217;s not give its hijackers the time of day. (Well I &#8216;spose we could make one exception and let JA do the comms and handle the loiks).</p>
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		By: Yeti		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yeti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/big-government-back-or-has-labour-lost-the-domestic-agenda-to-the-wellington-neolibral-bureaucratic-elites/#comment-162055&quot;&gt;Tiger Mountain&lt;/a&gt;.

The PSA serves its members well and acts to protect their interests - unfortunately for Bomber they are mostly also members of the Professional Managerial Class so it would seem change, at least that he’d like to see is away on the never never]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/big-government-back-or-has-labour-lost-the-domestic-agenda-to-the-wellington-neolibral-bureaucratic-elites/#comment-162055">Tiger Mountain</a>.</p>
<p>The PSA serves its members well and acts to protect their interests &#8211; unfortunately for Bomber they are mostly also members of the Professional Managerial Class so it would seem change, at least that he’d like to see is away on the never never</p>
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		By: Afewknowthetruth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 21:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;The ideological right wing acolytes  who have taken up residence in our public service, must be cut from the body public as one cuts out a tumour.&#039;

We&#039;ll have to wait for a proper government to gain power before that happens, Martyn.

In the meantime we have to endure more of the same, as the system takes us down the path towards &#039;implosion&#039; (US10YT now 1.62%) 

By the way, this Covid thing is unlikely to &#039;go away&#039; any time soon.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/explained-3-major-covid-19-variants

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The ideological right wing acolytes  who have taken up residence in our public service, must be cut from the body public as one cuts out a tumour.&#8217;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to wait for a proper government to gain power before that happens, Martyn.</p>
<p>In the meantime we have to endure more of the same, as the system takes us down the path towards &#8216;implosion&#8217; (US10YT now 1.62%) </p>
<p>By the way, this Covid thing is unlikely to &#8216;go away&#8217; any time soon.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/explained-3-major-covid-19-variants" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/explained-3-major-covid-19-variants</a></p>
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		By: Tiger Mountain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiger Mountain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thought experiment here…
–If–the PSA was a class left focused union (hold the bwahahahas a moment) with delegates and members educated in why there are hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people needing assistance–overwhelmingly because of macro decisions made well outside their ability to influence them; then industrial pressure could be put on the neo liberal bludgers at the top of Ministries. Make them reapply for their own jobs, and laugh in their faces as the likes of Robert Reid, Mike Treen, Debbie Ngarewa Packer, Jane Kelsey, or younger versions of them perhaps, are appointed to replace them!

Regardless of that, the PSA could right now put its bogus “politically neutral” stance to one side, it only ensures nothing changes in respect of the structural elements of neo liberalism entrenched in our Govt. Departments. The Public Service should serve the public not private capital as it does now in so many ways following the 80s and 90s–contracting out, market rates, user pays, paying dividends, State Sector Act, Reserve Bank Act, SOEs etc. etc. The PSA could educate members at MSD and Kainga Ora to name two, to understand a class society and stop torturing their fellow citizens because they can, and might get a bonus for doing so.

A number of the State Bureaucrats are indeed Fifth Columnists, really representing the capitalist class rather than the ordinary citizen, yet they are happy to spew over the working class at every opportunity while taking their taxpayer funded salaries. The public service leaks big time to the NZ National Party and ACT, that is one sure way to know Martyn is spot on here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought experiment here…<br />
–If–the PSA was a class left focused union (hold the bwahahahas a moment) with delegates and members educated in why there are hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people needing assistance–overwhelmingly because of macro decisions made well outside their ability to influence them; then industrial pressure could be put on the neo liberal bludgers at the top of Ministries. Make them reapply for their own jobs, and laugh in their faces as the likes of Robert Reid, Mike Treen, Debbie Ngarewa Packer, Jane Kelsey, or younger versions of them perhaps, are appointed to replace them!</p>
<p>Regardless of that, the PSA could right now put its bogus “politically neutral” stance to one side, it only ensures nothing changes in respect of the structural elements of neo liberalism entrenched in our Govt. Departments. The Public Service should serve the public not private capital as it does now in so many ways following the 80s and 90s–contracting out, market rates, user pays, paying dividends, State Sector Act, Reserve Bank Act, SOEs etc. etc. The PSA could educate members at MSD and Kainga Ora to name two, to understand a class society and stop torturing their fellow citizens because they can, and might get a bonus for doing so.</p>
<p>A number of the State Bureaucrats are indeed Fifth Columnists, really representing the capitalist class rather than the ordinary citizen, yet they are happy to spew over the working class at every opportunity while taking their taxpayer funded salaries. The public service leaks big time to the NZ National Party and ACT, that is one sure way to know Martyn is spot on here.</p>
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