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  1. The disgusting blood thirsty pro-imperialist war mongers out in force again.

    Globalistssuck says:
    “…. When is Ukraine getting its territory back, the answer is never.”

    (What imperialists always forget, is that an occupied people never stop resisting the invader, right up until the point where the invader is eventually forced to withdraw)

    A O says:
    “….whatever Ukraine dishes out to Russia, Russia returns several times over to Ukraine….”

    (Who started ‘dishing it out’? Who retaliated? Who keeps escalating against Ukraine ‘several times over’?)

    Nick J says:
    “….Z is demanding interceptors, no joy because there are none, and if they were Russia builds more missiles in a month than the US does in a year.”

    (Nick J, is gloats that Ukraine has ‘no joy’ that they have no interceptors.
    Interceptors are defensive weapons, against incoming Russian missiles, if Ukraine didn’t have any interceptors, Ukraine would resemble Gaza.
    Already by sheer number, Ukrainians killed by the invading Russian imperialists is at least double the number of Palestinians killed by the Zionist genocide.)

    joe says:
    “Yes! slave Ukrani!”

    seer says:
    “And Stupid Ukraine!”

    (I doubt any of these anonymous pro-war pricks have ever been in a war zone.}

    1. The problem here is that we get our information from two different sides or sources. I come from the largely self-funded, independent media side of the information sphere, like The Grayzone and Caitlin Johnstone, a couple of names people here are somewhat familiar with. You come from, well, whatever side you’re on.

      Thus, in my world, this conflict is the result of Western meddling coupled with Western escalation, ongoing Western escalation, at that, for the purpose of, among other things, dismantling Russia into smaller, easy to control regions, that we in the West will then control among ourselves in a similar manner to how we carved up, and still largely control, the Middle East (West Asia).

      In your world, what I have just written in nonsense. Russia is the bad guy. Nothing more needs to be said, short of being colorful and jolly with opposing views to your own. On top of this is the fact that your view of this conflict, is the accepted view.

      So why do I write this. Well, power, influence, dominance are features of imperialism. And despite my independent media fixation, my side of this conflict is not the dominant, accepted view. Thus, who among us here, is really the pro-war, pro-imperialism mug and who among us here is most likely to challenge these two abominations….

      Say no to war. Peace.

      1. No Justice, No peace.

        A O says
        “…. Say no to war. Peace.”

        The Peace AO wants is one imposed at the point of a Russian bayonet.

        It ain’t gonna happen.

        The people of Ukraine will never stop fighting the Russian aggressor. Peace can only come when the Russian imperialist aggression against Ukraine ends and the Russian invaders go back to their own country.

        In the ’70s when the US empire was caught in a never ending quagmire in Vietnam, much like the never ending quagmire in Ukraine today, Nixon promised peace on America’s terms, and would bomb Vietnam back into the stone age to get it. Eventually dropping more bombs on Vietnam than both sides dropped on each other in World War 2.

        I remember huge crowds of defiant and angry New Zealanders marching in Queen Street, in solidarity with the Vietnamese, one of the most popular chants of the time…
        “Ho ho Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam will win”.

        In 1975 when the US finally had to admit defeat and withdraw from Vietnam, and we witnessed on our black and white TVs the last Americans fleeing Saigon in helicopters from the roof of the US embassy, and dozens of helicopters being pushed into the sea to make more room after they landed on the overcrowded decks of the USS Midway and the and USS Okinawa
        Queen Street was packed one last time so tightly we could hardly move.

        The chant became; “Ho ho Ho Chi Minh Vietnam did win.”

        The ignominious defeat the American aggressors suffered in Vietnam, the Soviet aggressors suffered in Afghanistan, the US aggressores suffered in Afghanistan, the Russian Federation aggressors suffered in Syria.
        The Russian Federation imperialist aggressors will suffer the same fate again, in Ukraine. Nothing is surer.

        Putin’s repeated threats to use nuclear weapons will not prevent Russia’s eventual and inevitable defeat at the hands of Ukraine. If Putin carries out his threat to commit nuclear genocide in Ukraine, Russia’s collapse and defeat will come even swifter.

        The cowardly pro-war arseholes who hide their identities behind speudonyms to comment here, to try and justify the unjustifiable, will slink back into the ether, and avoid accountability.

        1. Peace is peace, Pat, and it refers to peace everywhere, preferably for all time, but yeah, I know the last point is really unrealistic. It is this simple. Mate, you’re spending way too much time on the imperial wacky backy info machine. You are seeing all sorts of shyt that is just not there.

          Peace means peace, say no to war really means say no to war!

          1. AO congratulations on trying to reason with Pat. But he clearly has no interest in the truth. He just indulges in rhetoric trying to justify his ignorant views with regard to the Ukraine and Russia.

            Bolshie Pat is living in delusion.

          2. A O says:
            “….Peace means peace, say no to war really means say no to war!”

            Yet in these columns AO has repeatedly justified and supported Russia’s bloody aggression against Ukraine.
            This anonymous troll is the rankest of the vile pro-war hypocrites that comment here.

            In his dystopian novel ‘1984’ George Orwell skewered pro-war propagandists who support war while proclaiming peace. Orwell called this form of rank hypocrisy doublethink

            ‘War is peace!’
            ‘Freedom is slavery!’
            ‘Ignorance is strength!’
            These are the three party slogans, representing the core tenets of Ingsoc (English Socialism) and the concept of doublethink.

            AO has shown support for each of these three National Socialist tenets,
            Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine is peace.
            Ukrainian freedom is slavery.
            Wilful ignorance of Russia’s stated imperialist aims and practice is strength.

          3. I say red, you see blue. You have a ‘you’re either with us or against us’ mindset, not unlike the leaders of imperialism themselves. Anyone that holds a different view to your own, gives you license to interpret this view as you see fit. No amount of supporting, verifiable proof to an opposing view, changes your mindset. You are in fact, a mirror version of the Western political class.

            This is the same class of people that refuses to speak out against, let alone tries to stop, the crimes being committed in the Middle East. In fact these crimes cannot be carried out without the support of some Western nations. Yet, these are the very same people vilifying Russia, the very same countries supporting the conflict against Russia. The very same people that you mirror.

            In over 25 years of internet posting, you are the most bereft of ‘awareness’ person I have ever come across and yet at the same time, you are the most dangerous person I have ever come across, as well, because you mirror the side of power, while representing yourself as a person of the Left.

            As a representative of the people – because I have never gotten anywhere without the help of people – let the fortunes of the people, guide you. In my world, we live in an increasingly unfortunate world….I am driven to change this course. What the fuck….drives you!

          4. A O says:
            “….. No amount of supporting, verifiable proof to an opposing view, changes your mindset.”

            You have never supplied any supporting verifiable proof AO, not ever, not once.

            It’s a vile war, you are a vile bastard for supporting it.

            These are both verifiable proven facts

        2. You are an idiot Pat, have you not considered that Ukraine is not a congruent nation, it’s Russian ethnically to the east and Ukrainian to the west. This is a civil war as much as a big power proxy war. Your Vietnam analogy is totally out of whack.

        3. Well, at best you ignore the linked information, at worse, you ridicule it. Again, mirroring the behavior of the Western political class behind this war.

          All war is vile, but as per usual, holding an opposing view to your own, gives you license to think differently to my view on it.

          Links to the origins of this conflict, and more, in a discussion between us on this, June 4th, Ben Morgan piece titled “Putin’s Problems Mean Ukraine War Volatility” https://thedailyblog.co.nz/ben-morgan-putin-has-problems-so-expect-volatility/

  2. Wishful thinking. When is Ukraine getting its territory back, the answer is never. Why too, if Russia is doing so badly, is their GDP so healthy? Anyone wanting an assessment of what happening should watch Col Douglas MacGregor, Scott Ritter and others….they can be found on Rumble and Youtube.

  3. The best way to look at this is that whatever Ukraine dishes out to Russia, Russia returns several times over to Ukraine. The longer the West uses Ukraine, the less of Ukraine there will end up being. This is the sad fact about this component of the Western-led way against “all” people.

    1. White is black for Ben. Read all the headlines and Z is demanding interceptors, no joy because there are none, and if they were Russia builds more missiles in a month than the US does in a year. Ditto 155mm ammo. Drones from Europe, the parts come from China who just tightened dual use regs…..
      Death rates…latest body swap ratios 28 to 1..Economies, Ukraine on life support, Europe in for gasless winter. US biggest debt number ever, Russia no debt plus economic growth.
      Pretty good for a gas station economy. I can’t see Russia in a hurry, they are slow bleeding the Empire, refusing pleas for negotiations. That’s not what losers do.

    2. The news from Ukraine gets even better. Apparently Federov while Minister of Defence, blew through half of the Military budget in his 40 day drone campaign. To do this he misappropriated money from frontline soldiers salaries. So Syrskyi told Z to get rid of him because he was a complete disaster. So of course Z got rid of both of them, and is now complaining of a $27M budget shortfall for his Military. And now the Ukrainians are back to talking about conscripting women, and we are being told, that they are “winning”. This is insanity.