Who is ‘they’ Greywarbler? I have heard both left and right claim 1984 was meant as a warning. They can’t both be right now can they. And Michal, in order to stop peddling BS please tell me when the 1988 Hamas Charter was revoked and an apology offered to the Jewish people for the vicious antisemitism contained therein. Also, please point to the clause which recognises the existence of Israel as a legitimate nation. As you seem a little confused over the cause of the conflict here is some legal clarification for you. https://legalclarity.org/the-hamas-charter-and-the-document-of-general-principles/

I try to avoid communist historians that live far away from the history they purport to study Michal. They’re prone to misinform readers.

Please cite the source to your claim that Israel is a predominantly white nation.

No not true, I know Drumont’s views, I know that many of the supposedly great states-people now and back in history have antisemitic views. I have Jewish friends and you see they do not think that the state of Palestine belongs just to Jews they are not Zionists and I am anti Zionist in truth. You don’t have to read Illan Pappe there are lots of other ‘current’ writers, read any of these which you clearly have not done:
On Palestine – Noam Chomsky (Jewish)
The Invention of the land of Israel – Shlomo Sand (Jewish)
My Israel Question – Antony Lowenstein (Jewish)
The Palestine Laboratory – Antony Loewenstein (Jewish)
Israel a Beachhead in the middle east – Stephen Gowans (Canadian, he also has an excellent blog)
The Last Earth – Ramzy Baroud (Palestinian)
The making of Hamas’s foreign policy – Daud Abdullah (former Deputy Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain)
The Great War for Civilisation – Robert Fisk (deceased, middle East journalist)
The Question of Palestine – Edward Said (Palestinian)
Palestine a four thousand year history – Nurma Masalha (Palestinian)
Freedom Next Time – Resisting the empire – John Pilger (deceased, journalist, written many books and docos).

I am not and have never been antisemitic. Jews live in many countries in the world so do black people, Christians, Moslems, disabled, gipsys, gay, women and all of these people’s have been discriminated against in the world as I am sure you know. And that varies from country to country

In 1945 Jews, Moslems and Christians lived in the area all of them have spiritual historical ties to the area. The Jews were the minority and the place was relatively peaceful, one day there will be democracy with one vote for every person who lives in Palestine.

Zionists have this thing about Arabs – they aren’t nice.
And most of us know that Israel, a predominantly white nation, only stands because of the United States need to have a beachead against the Arabs so the orange man this time round puts even more billions into Israel.

I cannot understand how anyone thinks it is okay to kill innocent children and others.

I have read the 2017 Hamas charter and nowhere does it call for the extermination of the Jewish people, so stop peddling BS. The fight is over the land where people had their homes and gardens, it is primarily with the Israeli government. In 1945 there were Jew (they were the minority) Christians and Moslems living in Palestine. This is regarded as the birthplace of all the 3 abrahamic religions. It will in time become a country of all those peoples under a democratically elected government.

Read Illan Pappe have you Ann – the Jewish academic I am meaning.

Sometimes you have to stop just doing what ‘they’ said back when and think about it. They say for these days, ‘Orwell’s 1984 was meant as a warning, not an instructional manual.’

I’m glad you see some humour here Bob1st. We get too serious sometimes and depressed not having your insouciance about matters. Did that come on later in life for you? I am the other way and have to look for humour, so will join you when I see anything hilarious and may point it out so we both can keep our mood light.