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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101195</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 07:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101192&quot;&gt;Priss&lt;/a&gt;.

+1 Priss]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101192">Priss</a>.</p>
<p>+1 Priss</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 07:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101189&quot;&gt;Lynn Williams-Myers&lt;/a&gt;.

Lynn, I believe the answser lies with Corrections policy: “a transgender prisoner whose detention relates to a serious sexual offence against a person of their nominated gender, or who was released from a prison sentence within the last seven years, will not be eligible to apply to the Chief Executive [for placement in accordance with their nominated gender].”

That seems fairly clear to me.

There must be a rational way to protect women, girls, AND transwomen from sexual predators who want to mis-use self-identification for perverted reasons. (Not that such a thing would be wide-spread. Most predators wouldn&#039;t even be aware of trans self-idfentification, surely?)

Denying a sector of the LGBTQI community their right to be recognised as they identify is not an option. Because first they&#039;ll start with transwomen &#038; men. Then gay men. Then lesbians. Is tyhat the road we want to go down?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101189">Lynn Williams-Myers</a>.</p>
<p>Lynn, I believe the answser lies with Corrections policy: “a transgender prisoner whose detention relates to a serious sexual offence against a person of their nominated gender, or who was released from a prison sentence within the last seven years, will not be eligible to apply to the Chief Executive [for placement in accordance with their nominated gender].”</p>
<p>That seems fairly clear to me.</p>
<p>There must be a rational way to protect women, girls, AND transwomen from sexual predators who want to mis-use self-identification for perverted reasons. (Not that such a thing would be wide-spread. Most predators wouldn&#8217;t even be aware of trans self-idfentification, surely?)</p>
<p>Denying a sector of the LGBTQI community their right to be recognised as they identify is not an option. Because first they&#8217;ll start with transwomen &amp; men. Then gay men. Then lesbians. Is tyhat the road we want to go down?</p>
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		By: Rosemary McDonald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosemary McDonald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 00:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I wonder about people who would identify as amputees, what would we say when they start queuing up at surgeries to get limbs removed?&quot;

Oh, that&#039;s been an actual thing for ages...

ttps://nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10185741/Woman-wants-to-be-disabled-due-to-rare-condition.html

http://www.barcroft.tv/body-Integrity-identity-disorder-woman-makes-herself-blind-drain-cleaner]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder about people who would identify as amputees, what would we say when they start queuing up at surgeries to get limbs removed?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s been an actual thing for ages&#8230;</p>
<p>ttps://nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies</p>
<p><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10185741/Woman-wants-to-be-disabled-due-to-rare-condition.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10185741/Woman-wants-to-be-disabled-due-to-rare-condition.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.barcroft.tv/body-Integrity-identity-disorder-woman-makes-herself-blind-drain-cleaner" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.barcroft.tv/body-Integrity-identity-disorder-woman-makes-herself-blind-drain-cleaner</a></p>
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		By: Priss		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101189&quot;&gt;Lynn Williams-Myers&lt;/a&gt;.

Lynn: &quot;There appears to be no procedural clarity around what happens if such a prisoner has a history of violent or sexual offending against women.&quot;

I believe Frank addressed that point in his  blogpost. Corrections policy states:    &quot;a transgender prisoner whose detention relates to a serious sexual offence against a person of their nominated gender, or who was released from a prison sentence within the last seven years, will not be eligible to apply to the Chief Executive [for placement in accordance with their nominated gender].&quot;

Which makes me wonder, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ ANYTHING HE&#039;S WRITTEN?????]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101189">Lynn Williams-Myers</a>.</p>
<p>Lynn: &#8220;There appears to be no procedural clarity around what happens if such a prisoner has a history of violent or sexual offending against women.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe Frank addressed that point in his  blogpost. Corrections policy states:    &#8220;a transgender prisoner whose detention relates to a serious sexual offence against a person of their nominated gender, or who was released from a prison sentence within the last seven years, will not be eligible to apply to the Chief Executive [for placement in accordance with their nominated gender].&#8221;</p>
<p>Which makes me wonder, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ ANYTHING HE&#8217;S WRITTEN?????</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting insight, Offwhite. And yes, from some of the comments directed at me on social media, and a previous blogpost on this issue, it&#039;s not an enviable position. But I stuck it out in the mid 80s with gay law reform, so I guess it&#039;s something I&#039;ve experienced before. One hopes the intensity will settle and more calmer debate ensue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting insight, Offwhite. And yes, from some of the comments directed at me on social media, and a previous blogpost on this issue, it&#8217;s not an enviable position. But I stuck it out in the mid 80s with gay law reform, so I guess it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve experienced before. One hopes the intensity will settle and more calmer debate ensue.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 10:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101189&quot;&gt;Lynn Williams-Myers&lt;/a&gt;.

Why do you assume that only trans-women are capable of violence?  You must be aware that prisons, by their nature, are violent places. Identifying and demonising one tiny minority - without much evidence - serves no purpose (unless that purpose is to demonise that minority).

The stats reported 1,500 assaults in one year. There were 10,000 prisoners, of whom  seven  were transgender, housed in a women’s prison. One of those was  a trans-man (assigned female at birth, but identifies as male).

So the stats prove very little.

In fact, Lynn, the OIA statement is vague on the entire issue. 

The claims made surrounding the six alleged assaults have been shown to be misleading and not based on fact. It is unfortunate that certain people were willing to  mis-represent the OIA statement and withhold salient facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101189">Lynn Williams-Myers</a>.</p>
<p>Why do you assume that only trans-women are capable of violence?  You must be aware that prisons, by their nature, are violent places. Identifying and demonising one tiny minority &#8211; without much evidence &#8211; serves no purpose (unless that purpose is to demonise that minority).</p>
<p>The stats reported 1,500 assaults in one year. There were 10,000 prisoners, of whom  seven  were transgender, housed in a women’s prison. One of those was  a trans-man (assigned female at birth, but identifies as male).</p>
<p>So the stats prove very little.</p>
<p>In fact, Lynn, the OIA statement is vague on the entire issue. </p>
<p>The claims made surrounding the six alleged assaults have been shown to be misleading and not based on fact. It is unfortunate that certain people were willing to  mis-represent the OIA statement and withhold salient facts.</p>
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		By: Lynn Williams-Myers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Williams-Myers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 10:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;A transgender prisoner whose detention relates to a serious sexual offence against a person of their nominated gender, or who was released from a prison sentence for such an offence within the last seven years, will not be eligible to apply to the Chief Executive [for placement in accordance with their nominated gender].” 

What is not stated here is, if Corrections has a copy of a birth certificate that states the prisoner is  female, procedure requires that they MUST be placed in the female estate.

There appears to be no procedural clarity around what happens if such a prisoner has a history of violent or sexual offending against women.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A transgender prisoner whose detention relates to a serious sexual offence against a person of their nominated gender, or who was released from a prison sentence for such an offence within the last seven years, will not be eligible to apply to the Chief Executive [for placement in accordance with their nominated gender].” </p>
<p>What is not stated here is, if Corrections has a copy of a birth certificate that states the prisoner is  female, procedure requires that they MUST be placed in the female estate.</p>
<p>There appears to be no procedural clarity around what happens if such a prisoner has a history of violent or sexual offending against women.</p>
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		By: Samwise		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samwise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 01:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101186&quot;&gt;Daphna Whitmore&lt;/a&gt;.

“There are transwomen rubbing their erect penises against the prison guards.”

Where does it say that in the OIA letter? The assaults were allegedly prisoner-on-prisoner, not prisoner-on-staff. 

I have on open mind on this issue but first I’d like the information to be correct and not hearsay or made up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101186">Daphna Whitmore</a>.</p>
<p>“There are transwomen rubbing their erect penises against the prison guards.”</p>
<p>Where does it say that in the OIA letter? The assaults were allegedly prisoner-on-prisoner, not prisoner-on-staff. </p>
<p>I have on open mind on this issue but first I’d like the information to be correct and not hearsay or made up.</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101186&quot;&gt;Daphna Whitmore&lt;/a&gt;.

Daphna, the OIA response does not support your allegations.

In fact, the OIA response is vague as to what form any of the alleged assaults were.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/anti-trans-activists-fudge-oia-statement-report/#comment-101186">Daphna Whitmore</a>.</p>
<p>Daphna, the OIA response does not support your allegations.</p>
<p>In fact, the OIA response is vague as to what form any of the alleged assaults were.</p>
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		By: Daphna Whitmore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daphna Whitmore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s when one  talks to women prison officers in the female prisons you really get to know what happens. 

There have been assaults, the males (transwomen) are not moved back to men&#039;s prisons afterwards.

There are transwomen rubbing their erect penises against the prison guards. 

Women in prisons are among the most marginalised people in society. They should not be housed with male criminals. It&#039;s not hard to figure out, unless you don&#039;t give a shit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s when one  talks to women prison officers in the female prisons you really get to know what happens. </p>
<p>There have been assaults, the males (transwomen) are not moved back to men&#8217;s prisons afterwards.</p>
<p>There are transwomen rubbing their erect penises against the prison guards. </p>
<p>Women in prisons are among the most marginalised people in society. They should not be housed with male criminals. It&#8217;s not hard to figure out, unless you don&#8217;t give a shit.</p>
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