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	Comments on: 60% Of Migrants Not On Skill-Shortages List &#8211; Why John Key REALLY Wants More Immigration	</title>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Haha Andrew...pretty much what our Govt does on a more than regular basis]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha Andrew&#8230;pretty much what our Govt does on a more than regular basis</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike in Auckland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 07:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29450&quot;&gt;Mike in Auckland&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction:

&quot; they are taught by their kids, particularly the “whiter ones”, to go and “get ahead” by studying at university, at least at polytechs or so..&quot;

is wrong of course, ...

That was meant to say &quot;they are taught by their PARENTS...&quot;, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29450">Mike in Auckland</a>.</p>
<p>Correction:</p>
<p>&#8221; they are taught by their kids, particularly the “whiter ones”, to go and “get ahead” by studying at university, at least at polytechs or so..&#8221;</p>
<p>is wrong of course, &#8230;</p>
<p>That was meant to say &#8220;they are taught by their PARENTS&#8230;&#8221;, of course.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike in Auckland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 07:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29456&quot;&gt;Tom Gardner&lt;/a&gt;.

They usually end up driving taxis, because with their true qualifications they do not seem to find the matching employment, hence they choose to do something else to earn a living. Either Immigration NZ is not bothering to check whether people can actually work here in their profession, and still lets them in, or something else goes wrong, it is mostly not the immigrant&#039;s fault.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29456">Tom Gardner</a>.</p>
<p>They usually end up driving taxis, because with their true qualifications they do not seem to find the matching employment, hence they choose to do something else to earn a living. Either Immigration NZ is not bothering to check whether people can actually work here in their profession, and still lets them in, or something else goes wrong, it is mostly not the immigrant&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike in Auckland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/deployment-of-the-national-guard-in-minnesota/#comment-351891&quot;&gt;sheep-dog&lt;/a&gt;.

You stole some of the contents of my comment above, Andrew, copyright infringement, I&#039;d say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/deployment-of-the-national-guard-in-minnesota/#comment-351891">sheep-dog</a>.</p>
<p>You stole some of the contents of my comment above, Andrew, copyright infringement, I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		By: Tom Gardner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Gardner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/new-poll-confirms-green-meltdown-and-possible-hung-parliament/#comment-351756&quot;&gt;covid is pa&lt;/a&gt;.

Most taxi drivers seem to be Indian or Korean or &#039;other&#039;. Surely native Kiwis could provide this workforce? How can someone migrate here if their skill is &#039;taxi-driver&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/new-poll-confirms-green-meltdown-and-possible-hung-parliament/#comment-351756">covid is pa</a>.</p>
<p>Most taxi drivers seem to be Indian or Korean or &#8216;other&#8217;. Surely native Kiwis could provide this workforce? How can someone migrate here if their skill is &#8216;taxi-driver&#8217;?</p>
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		By: LOSTRELIC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LOSTRELIC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 14:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent work. Thanks for this, Curwen!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work. Thanks for this, Curwen!</p>
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		By: Frank Macskasy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Macskasy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29453&quot;&gt;Pete&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, Peter, Curwen has made some pertinent points and backed it up with data. This isn&#039;t right-wing bigotry because the flood of migrant labour is driving down local wages - something that people who profess to be on the side of workers should be concerned about.

As for your statement; 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Skilled Migrant Category has a target of 26,000 annually. So they are not even meeting this over a two year period. Meanwhile in the financial year 2015/16, over 200,000 work visas were approved. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

- it would help if you provided references to your figures. Without citation, we have no way of knowing how accurate they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29453">Pete</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, Peter, Curwen has made some pertinent points and backed it up with data. This isn&#8217;t right-wing bigotry because the flood of migrant labour is driving down local wages &#8211; something that people who profess to be on the side of workers should be concerned about.</p>
<p>As for your statement; </p>
<blockquote><p>Skilled Migrant Category has a target of 26,000 annually. So they are not even meeting this over a two year period. Meanwhile in the financial year 2015/16, over 200,000 work visas were approved. </p></blockquote>
<p>&#8211; it would help if you provided references to your figures. Without citation, we have no way of knowing how accurate they are.</p>
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		By: Pete		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are missing the point! And the result is racist crap in the comments - where am I? Whale Oil? Rightwing Resistiance?

Skilled Migrant Category has a target of 26,000 annually. So they are not even meeting this over a two year period. Meanwhile in the financial year 2015/16, over 200,000 work visas were approved. 

&quot;some 60% are not people whom we vitally need on an economic basis&quot; -what utter nationalist rubbish is this? Stop playing into the hand of the capitalists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are missing the point! And the result is racist crap in the comments &#8211; where am I? Whale Oil? Rightwing Resistiance?</p>
<p>Skilled Migrant Category has a target of 26,000 annually. So they are not even meeting this over a two year period. Meanwhile in the financial year 2015/16, over 200,000 work visas were approved. </p>
<p>&#8220;some 60% are not people whom we vitally need on an economic basis&#8221; -what utter nationalist rubbish is this? Stop playing into the hand of the capitalists.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike in Auckland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 08:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29448&quot;&gt;gastarbeiter&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Slightly off topic – If you are a Jobseeker, WINZ will only offer you low-paid low skill jobs, or send you to training for the same.&quot;

That is, because WINZ have since their start only been focusing on the bottom of the barrel of man- and woman-work-power so to say.

The presumption by governments present and past was, to become unemployed for any medium to longer term, you must be pretty low skilled or not needed on the market full stop. So if that is the case, the ones ending up on benefits should not be &quot;fussy&quot; and get any job they can find for them.

To keep the statistics look nice, they also want to ensure people stay on benefits as shortly as possible, to creating a churn of sorts, is preferable than &quot;wasting&quot; time and training them with any higher skills, as that takes time and COSTS them.

The agenda is to apply pressure on all fronts, keep them on their feet, intimidate them, to go and look and take on any job they come across, to fulfill the above goals, i.e. short time on benefits, and not having people get &quot;fussy&quot; and make demands. 

The oppressive system works, sadly, that is why this is, it is of course fully intentional. 

It has got so bad, that WINZ itself has a crap reputation, and employers seeking &quot;qualified&quot; and experience staff would not even bother placing vacancies with them, as they know most on benefits are likely to be those that are considered &quot;low skilled&quot; and &quot;hopeless&quot; for various reasons. 

Hence WINZ do not even get many &quot;qualified&quot; jobs to offer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/60-of-migrants-not-on-skill-shortages-list-why-john-key-really-wants-more-immigration/#comment-29448">gastarbeiter</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Slightly off topic – If you are a Jobseeker, WINZ will only offer you low-paid low skill jobs, or send you to training for the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is, because WINZ have since their start only been focusing on the bottom of the barrel of man- and woman-work-power so to say.</p>
<p>The presumption by governments present and past was, to become unemployed for any medium to longer term, you must be pretty low skilled or not needed on the market full stop. So if that is the case, the ones ending up on benefits should not be &#8220;fussy&#8221; and get any job they can find for them.</p>
<p>To keep the statistics look nice, they also want to ensure people stay on benefits as shortly as possible, to creating a churn of sorts, is preferable than &#8220;wasting&#8221; time and training them with any higher skills, as that takes time and COSTS them.</p>
<p>The agenda is to apply pressure on all fronts, keep them on their feet, intimidate them, to go and look and take on any job they come across, to fulfill the above goals, i.e. short time on benefits, and not having people get &#8220;fussy&#8221; and make demands. </p>
<p>The oppressive system works, sadly, that is why this is, it is of course fully intentional. </p>
<p>It has got so bad, that WINZ itself has a crap reputation, and employers seeking &#8220;qualified&#8221; and experience staff would not even bother placing vacancies with them, as they know most on benefits are likely to be those that are considered &#8220;low skilled&#8221; and &#8220;hopeless&#8221; for various reasons. </p>
<p>Hence WINZ do not even get many &#8220;qualified&#8221; jobs to offer.</p>
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		By: Mike in Auckland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike in Auckland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 08:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So here we are talking of persons granted residence status, which is somewhat different a status for those over 200,000 that have over recent times been granted temporary work visas or permits. 

There are of course various reasons why immigrants get granted residency. Some will have come here as partners of New Zealand residents or citizens, some will have come as business investor category migrants, some will perhaps also be refugees that have been accepted as residents, others may already have been here on temporary work permits.

We should perhaps rather look at those getting work permits or visas, and check, whether they have qualifications that are on the Long term Skill Shortage list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here we are talking of persons granted residence status, which is somewhat different a status for those over 200,000 that have over recent times been granted temporary work visas or permits. </p>
<p>There are of course various reasons why immigrants get granted residency. Some will have come here as partners of New Zealand residents or citizens, some will have come as business investor category migrants, some will perhaps also be refugees that have been accepted as residents, others may already have been here on temporary work permits.</p>
<p>We should perhaps rather look at those getting work permits or visas, and check, whether they have qualifications that are on the Long term Skill Shortage list.</p>
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