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		By: Nikorima		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2020 08:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a lot of crap written by all the above. There&#039;s no working class now just the poor. Most of you wouldn&#039;t know what poverty is. How many have spent any time with whanau in south Auckland, Flaxmere, in the back blocks, etc. I&#039;ve seen the poor children growing up as enthusiastic as their Pakeha classmates but get left behind after a year or three at school. From then on they are on a downward spiral. There should be a long term focus on supporting those children to give them a chance. Education is the key for getting children out of poverty and eventually into jobs, preferably a profession, business or a trade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lot of crap written by all the above. There&#8217;s no working class now just the poor. Most of you wouldn&#8217;t know what poverty is. How many have spent any time with whanau in south Auckland, Flaxmere, in the back blocks, etc. I&#8217;ve seen the poor children growing up as enthusiastic as their Pakeha classmates but get left behind after a year or three at school. From then on they are on a downward spiral. There should be a long term focus on supporting those children to give them a chance. Education is the key for getting children out of poverty and eventually into jobs, preferably a profession, business or a trade.</p>
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		By: Susan St John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan St John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2020 08:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[good point]]></description>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 03:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[30 years of neoliberalism has failed the poor – so why is Labour continuing it?

Because the NZ Labour party have long since stopped representing labour.
Because the current system works well for the politicians on the gravy train.
Because the &#039;politics of kindness&#039; is a smart sound bite with no depth.
Because NZ&#039;s Neo-Labour party, is as close to a blairite party as you can get on the other side of the planet.
Because they don&#039;t care. The &#039;poor&#039;, don&#039;t fund them or spend thousands on lobbying them.
Because in its dark heart NZ has a very punitive streak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 years of neoliberalism has failed the poor – so why is Labour continuing it?</p>
<p>Because the NZ Labour party have long since stopped representing labour.<br />
Because the current system works well for the politicians on the gravy train.<br />
Because the &#8216;politics of kindness&#8217; is a smart sound bite with no depth.<br />
Because NZ&#8217;s Neo-Labour party, is as close to a blairite party as you can get on the other side of the planet.<br />
Because they don&#8217;t care. The &#8216;poor&#8217;, don&#8217;t fund them or spend thousands on lobbying them.<br />
Because in its dark heart NZ has a very punitive streak.</p>
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		By: Austringer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2020 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cancer, please capitalist, tell us your pin number.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancer, please capitalist, tell us your pin number.</p>
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		By: T. Patersson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Patersson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s being going on long enough for this problem to be installed inside famlies now. The dysfunction our economic model has caused is the greatest hurdle to social cohesion.  We dont have a nation anymore, just opportunist individuals.  Parents compete with children barely old enough to read, siblings with one another -worse, in lower socio-economic famlies who now believe money is the only reason to be alive.  Putting faith in money makes for sociopathic people.  When a government reinforces that view, the possibility for change is almost none.  If we started real change today, it would still take several lifetimes to eradicate those evil perspectives. For this, the middle classes and their governments can never be forgiven. Let them ask their god. Both Robertson and Ardern make reluctant noises, but their actions reinforce the opposite. They dont want to act. Just to ease the rage I&#039;d like to think that in 100 years a civil war would break out here and these problems would follow the way they go throughout history, but it&#039;s unlikely.  Its more likely NZ will turn into the exact same slums that people thought they could escape in the 19th century.  It really is soul-destroying just to think of the vast circular loop we&#039;ve taken away from class, poverty, and slavery, all the way back to poverty and slavery 200 years later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s being going on long enough for this problem to be installed inside famlies now. The dysfunction our economic model has caused is the greatest hurdle to social cohesion.  We dont have a nation anymore, just opportunist individuals.  Parents compete with children barely old enough to read, siblings with one another -worse, in lower socio-economic famlies who now believe money is the only reason to be alive.  Putting faith in money makes for sociopathic people.  When a government reinforces that view, the possibility for change is almost none.  If we started real change today, it would still take several lifetimes to eradicate those evil perspectives. For this, the middle classes and their governments can never be forgiven. Let them ask their god. Both Robertson and Ardern make reluctant noises, but their actions reinforce the opposite. They dont want to act. Just to ease the rage I&#8217;d like to think that in 100 years a civil war would break out here and these problems would follow the way they go throughout history, but it&#8217;s unlikely.  Its more likely NZ will turn into the exact same slums that people thought they could escape in the 19th century.  It really is soul-destroying just to think of the vast circular loop we&#8217;ve taken away from class, poverty, and slavery, all the way back to poverty and slavery 200 years later.</p>
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		By: OnceWasTim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 18:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155348&quot;&gt;WILD KATIPO&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;There is a fundamental lack of trust in authority these days, when authority figures are found to be so woefully lacking in even the basics of community care.&quot;
Ain&#039;t that the truth!
And while there are a few politicians,  policy wonks, and bureaucrats (that @Snow White refers to) that do give a shit, not so others working in the cistern that&#039;s way, way overdue for reform]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155348">WILD KATIPO</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a fundamental lack of trust in authority these days, when authority figures are found to be so woefully lacking in even the basics of community care.&#8221;<br />
Ain&#8217;t that the truth!<br />
And while there are a few politicians,  policy wonks, and bureaucrats (that @Snow White refers to) that do give a shit, not so others working in the cistern that&#8217;s way, way overdue for reform</p>
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		By: OnceWasTim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OnceWasTim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 18:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155332&quot;&gt;saveNZ&lt;/a&gt;.

Once again @ SaveNZ, I agree with a lot of what you post. However,

&quot;Can’t remember crying for UK residency and welfare when working in the UK on my working visa. Must be NZ NeoKindness again when temp workers are used to break down the NZ welfare system.&quot;

Could that be because
- you were relatively well educated
- you were coming from the land of the British settler and Noble Savage, rather than a 3rd Whurl/developing nation and AO/NZ was/is seen as that plucky little nation/ex-colony that punches above its weight
- there was a social welfare safety net (albeit one that was about to be seriously undermined and dismantled by the neo-lib agenda and its religious devotees)
- you were not seeking a &#039;better life&#039; from the poverty surrounding you - regardless of the level of your education and circumstance. Rather just the big OE cos travel broadens the mind don&#039;tcha know
- AND residency was never presented to you as an option: Firstly by a government and its agencies wanting to prop up various shady institutions such as sham PTEs - often that provided courses which taught immigrants how to suck eggs, or cheap labour for various sectors. All in pursuit of those huge export dollars. 
And secondly by an industry of people who because of  policies (usually copied from other members of the Empire, and dressed up as &quot;best practice&quot;), who saw an opportunity to make money through clipping the ticket.

From memory, that&#039;s the second time you posted something like the above. The problem isn&#039;t the immigrant aspiring to the same things we often take for granted. It&#039;s the fundamentally exploitative cistern that we&#039;ve allowed ourselves to buy into.  The global trickle down effect

Btw - you&#039;ll no doubt be interested in this (especially the 43 page table):
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123475269/from-real-estate-agents-to-pet-groomers-these-are-the-jobs-that-new-zealanders-cant-or-wont-do
I wondered whether with some occupations, they were pulling my tit.  I hear there&#039;s a shortage of bus drivers around the place which reminded me of my time driving them during the 1970s while studying. An occupation that allowed me to save and buy a house, then have kids.  Even in my retirement, I wouldn&#039;t go near the bus companies that pay the shit wages to drivers for the conditions and what&#039;s expected of them.
(Thanks to that failed zoologist Mr Steven Choice)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155332">saveNZ</a>.</p>
<p>Once again @ SaveNZ, I agree with a lot of what you post. However,</p>
<p>&#8220;Can’t remember crying for UK residency and welfare when working in the UK on my working visa. Must be NZ NeoKindness again when temp workers are used to break down the NZ welfare system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could that be because<br />
&#8211; you were relatively well educated<br />
&#8211; you were coming from the land of the British settler and Noble Savage, rather than a 3rd Whurl/developing nation and AO/NZ was/is seen as that plucky little nation/ex-colony that punches above its weight<br />
&#8211; there was a social welfare safety net (albeit one that was about to be seriously undermined and dismantled by the neo-lib agenda and its religious devotees)<br />
&#8211; you were not seeking a &#8216;better life&#8217; from the poverty surrounding you &#8211; regardless of the level of your education and circumstance. Rather just the big OE cos travel broadens the mind don&#8217;tcha know<br />
&#8211; AND residency was never presented to you as an option: Firstly by a government and its agencies wanting to prop up various shady institutions such as sham PTEs &#8211; often that provided courses which taught immigrants how to suck eggs, or cheap labour for various sectors. All in pursuit of those huge export dollars.<br />
And secondly by an industry of people who because of  policies (usually copied from other members of the Empire, and dressed up as &#8220;best practice&#8221;), who saw an opportunity to make money through clipping the ticket.</p>
<p>From memory, that&#8217;s the second time you posted something like the above. The problem isn&#8217;t the immigrant aspiring to the same things we often take for granted. It&#8217;s the fundamentally exploitative cistern that we&#8217;ve allowed ourselves to buy into.  The global trickle down effect</p>
<p>Btw &#8211; you&#8217;ll no doubt be interested in this (especially the 43 page table):<br />
<a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123475269/from-real-estate-agents-to-pet-groomers-these-are-the-jobs-that-new-zealanders-cant-or-wont-do" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123475269/from-real-estate-agents-to-pet-groomers-these-are-the-jobs-that-new-zealanders-cant-or-wont-do</a><br />
I wondered whether with some occupations, they were pulling my tit.  I hear there&#8217;s a shortage of bus drivers around the place which reminded me of my time driving them during the 1970s while studying. An occupation that allowed me to save and buy a house, then have kids.  Even in my retirement, I wouldn&#8217;t go near the bus companies that pay the shit wages to drivers for the conditions and what&#8217;s expected of them.<br />
(Thanks to that failed zoologist Mr Steven Choice)</p>
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		By: WILD KATIPO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WILD KATIPO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 13:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155333&quot;&gt;Snow White&lt;/a&gt;.

There is a fundamental lack of trust in authority these days, when authority figures are found to be so woefully lacking in even the basics of community care. Can these &#039;authority&#039; figures even begin to wonder why they are held in such low esteem by the public, - the public that voted them in for,- when they continually demonstrate their capacity for being so out of touch with the community they are supposed to serve? 

Lets ask Evita:

Don&#039;t Cry For Me Argentina
https://youtu.be/adUPdnzCAk8?t=80]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155333">Snow White</a>.</p>
<p>There is a fundamental lack of trust in authority these days, when authority figures are found to be so woefully lacking in even the basics of community care. Can these &#8216;authority&#8217; figures even begin to wonder why they are held in such low esteem by the public, &#8211; the public that voted them in for,- when they continually demonstrate their capacity for being so out of touch with the community they are supposed to serve? </p>
<p>Lets ask Evita:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t Cry For Me Argentina<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/adUPdnzCAk8?t=80" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/adUPdnzCAk8?t=80</a></p>
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		By: SOB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes sounds very nice CountryBoy and it would be lovely to see our farmers collaborate with the urbanites.
But they already are, in the Netherlands of all places.
https://www.koeknuffelen.nl/koe_knuffelen/koe-knuffelen-workshop/
310 euro for 2,5 hours
Don&#039;t bother milking the cows milk the people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes sounds very nice CountryBoy and it would be lovely to see our farmers collaborate with the urbanites.<br />
But they already are, in the Netherlands of all places.<br />
<a href="https://www.koeknuffelen.nl/koe_knuffelen/koe-knuffelen-workshop/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.koeknuffelen.nl/koe_knuffelen/koe-knuffelen-workshop/</a><br />
310 euro for 2,5 hours<br />
Don&#8217;t bother milking the cows milk the people.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manfred staab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155344&quot;&gt;pb&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, @pb, you may have missed something...
https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/women-sex-socialism?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/30-years-of-neoliberalism-have-failed-the-poor-so-why-is-labour-continuing-it/#comment-155344">pb</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, @pb, you may have missed something&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/women-sex-socialism?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/women-sex-socialism?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1</a></p>
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