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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/3-waters-with-a-vengeance-redneck-cracker-gonna-cracker/#comment-334674&quot;&gt;Greywarbler&lt;/a&gt;.

Talking double dutch above.   The family farmers are to my mind rhe real farmers, and the dairy farmers and their workers who milk etc are the ones we think of when we talk about farming.  But the incomers and business man distant from anything green and muddy and smelly are poseurs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/3-waters-with-a-vengeance-redneck-cracker-gonna-cracker/#comment-334674">Greywarbler</a>.</p>
<p>Talking double dutch above.   The family farmers are to my mind rhe real farmers, and the dairy farmers and their workers who milk etc are the ones we think of when we talk about farming.  But the incomers and business man distant from anything green and muddy and smelly are poseurs.</p>
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		By: Sleepy H		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 08:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was against 3 waters because it took away local ownership and local control of local infrastructure. 
Once those 3 entities were set up, first of all no one was really going to care about the state of the sewer pipes in Inglewood anymore, and second, there would be nothing to stop some future government from selling parts of our water assets to overseas companies. ( who could complain about the sale of a 20% share in one of the entities to the Scandanavian Mutual fund)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was against 3 waters because it took away local ownership and local control of local infrastructure.<br />
Once those 3 entities were set up, first of all no one was really going to care about the state of the sewer pipes in Inglewood anymore, and second, there would be nothing to stop some future government from selling parts of our water assets to overseas companies. ( who could complain about the sale of a 20% share in one of the entities to the Scandanavian Mutual fund)</p>
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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greywarbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cool real cool kwtc.  Keep ccol boy.  West Sude Story?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTpyvp5bh7o]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool real cool kwtc.  Keep ccol boy.  West Sude Story?<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTpyvp5bh7o" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTpyvp5bh7o</a></p>
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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greywarbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/3-waters-with-a-vengeance-redneck-cracker-gonna-cracker/#comment-334674&quot;&gt;Greywarbler&lt;/a&gt;.

To add - I seem to remember that the Dutch dairy farmers have been limited in their undertakings there.   So if that still applies in the Netherlands perhaps some have come hither to the lower nether-nether 
lands where we are addicted to golden carrots waved before our faces - or perhaps it is hypnotism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&#038;v=_4ICFmAr_DQ  3.05m
If that is the case, we have room for ideas for change to improve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/3-waters-with-a-vengeance-redneck-cracker-gonna-cracker/#comment-334674">Greywarbler</a>.</p>
<p>To add &#8211; I seem to remember that the Dutch dairy farmers have been limited in their undertakings there.   So if that still applies in the Netherlands perhaps some have come hither to the lower nether-nether<br />
lands where we are addicted to golden carrots waved before our faces &#8211; or perhaps it is hypnotism.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&#038;v=_4ICFmAr_DQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&#038;v=_4ICFmAr_DQ</a>  3.05m<br />
If that is the case, we have room for ideas for change to improve.</p>
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		By: National are Squeaky Clean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[National are Squeaky Clean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our once cohesive country is now divided thanks to ACT, National and NZ First  racist rhetoric...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ngati-tukorehe-to-fly-more-flags-after-racist-attack-on-its-whenua/P72TMN5YKVHHNKNGEQBI5NSVYA/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our once cohesive country is now divided thanks to ACT, National and NZ First  racist rhetoric&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ngati-tukorehe-to-fly-more-flags-after-racist-attack-on-its-whenua/P72TMN5YKVHHNKNGEQBI5NSVYA/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ngati-tukorehe-to-fly-more-flags-after-racist-attack-on-its-whenua/P72TMN5YKVHHNKNGEQBI5NSVYA/</a></p>
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		By: gordon walker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pakeha have stolen the water .Next ten years will prove me correct .]]></description>
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		By: Joy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thedailyblog.co.nz/3-waters-with-a-vengeance-redneck-cracker-gonna-cracker/#comment-334672&quot;&gt;Greywarbler&lt;/a&gt;.

You and joseph always make sense so thanks, both of you. 
Our present govt. cannot think round corners Joseph so hope of them making the connection between the cost of much needed infrastructure and why it&#039;s needed. They think of one thing at a time and don&#039;t want to know what problems that will cause. Inconvenient, you know. 
I believe that successful societies all have a few things in common, Grey. Kindness and Fairness are in there. Cruelty and punishment, are not. Our society is under threat from our own, I hesitate to call them leaders, govt. 
As the Americans are finding out, it can all turn to custard very quickly when the best people are sidelined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thedailyblog.co.nz/3-waters-with-a-vengeance-redneck-cracker-gonna-cracker/#comment-334672">Greywarbler</a>.</p>
<p>You and joseph always make sense so thanks, both of you.<br />
Our present govt. cannot think round corners Joseph so hope of them making the connection between the cost of much needed infrastructure and why it&#8217;s needed. They think of one thing at a time and don&#8217;t want to know what problems that will cause. Inconvenient, you know.<br />
I believe that successful societies all have a few things in common, Grey. Kindness and Fairness are in there. Cruelty and punishment, are not. Our society is under threat from our own, I hesitate to call them leaders, govt.<br />
As the Americans are finding out, it can all turn to custard very quickly when the best people are sidelined.</p>
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		By: National are squeaky clean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[National are squeaky clean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 03:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You beauty, they have trumpet, Im right, Trevor and Bob the first back on the radar...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/extremist-white-supremacist-group-behind-race-war-plots-remains-on-nz-terrorism-watchlist/DE6L4H3LSJH2ZMQYYCQ6VA5KH4/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You beauty, they have trumpet, Im right, Trevor and Bob the first back on the radar&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/extremist-white-supremacist-group-behind-race-war-plots-remains-on-nz-terrorism-watchlist/DE6L4H3LSJH2ZMQYYCQ6VA5KH4/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/extremist-white-supremacist-group-behind-race-war-plots-remains-on-nz-terrorism-watchlist/DE6L4H3LSJH2ZMQYYCQ6VA5KH4/</a></p>
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		By: National are squeaky clean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[National are squeaky clean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Compared to right trash who extort you with cheese and butter prices.
How much are Charter schools extortion of the taxpayer costing us or private hospitals charging for public surgeries that can&#039;t be done because of this CoCs cutting and underfunding the public health system?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compared to right trash who extort you with cheese and butter prices.<br />
How much are Charter schools extortion of the taxpayer costing us or private hospitals charging for public surgeries that can&#8217;t be done because of this CoCs cutting and underfunding the public health system?</p>
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		By: Greywarbler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greywarbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 00:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Further vid on engineering and water in Netherlands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfn8qoixx0  49m

Looking at the flooding situation - Europe knows and we will experience so must learn 
The extensive lowlands across Europe, not just Netherlands but also France but not apparently, England:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Countries
&lt;i&gt;...Geographically and historically, the area can also include parts of France (such as Nord and Pas-de-Calais) and the German regions of East Frisia, Guelders and Cleves. During the Middle Ages, the Low Countries were divided into numerous semi-independent principalities...&lt;/i&gt;

The  political grouping lowlands of Benelux:
Low Countries, Coastal region, northwestern Europe, consisting of Belgium, The Netherlands, and Luxembourg. Known as the Low Countries because much of the land along the North Sea is below or at sea level, they are often called the Benelux countries, from the initial letters of their names.
Low Countries summary - Britannica
https://www.britannica.com › summary › Low-Countrie

England - The Fens  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fens
&lt;i&gt;...Most of the Fens lie within a few metres of sea level. As with similar areas in the Netherlands, much of the Fenland originally consisted of fresh- or salt-water wetlands. These have been artificially drained and continue to be protected from floods by drainage banks and pumps. With the support of this drainage system, the Fenland has become a major arable agricultural region for grains and vegetables. The Fens are particularly fertile, containing around half of the grade 1 agricultural land in England.[4]

...the area now includes the lowest land in the United Kingdom. Holme Fen in Cambridgeshire, is around 2.75 metres (9 ft 0 in) below sea level.[8] Within the Fens are a few hills, which have historically been called &quot;islands&quot;, as they remained dry when the low-lying fens around them were flooded. The largest of the fen-islands was the 23-square-mile (60 km2) Kimmeridge Clay island,...
...The Fens are very low-lying compared with the chalk and limestone uplands that surround them – in most places no more than 10 metres (33 ft) above sea level. As a result of drainage and the subsequent shrinkage of the peat fens, many parts of the Fens now lie below mean sea level. .. 

Without artificial drainage and flood protection, the Fens would be liable to periodic flooding, particularly in winter due to the heavy load of water flowing down from the uplands and overflowing the rivers...
...the more stable silt soils were reclaimed by medieval farmers and embanked against any floods coming down from the peat areas or from the sea. The rest of the Fenland was dedicated to pastoral farming, fishing, fowling, and the harvesting of reeds or sedge for thatch...

Today, arable farming has almost entirely replaced pastoral. The economy of the Fens is heavily invested in the production of crops such as grains, vegetables, and some cash crops such as rapeseed (canola)...&lt;/i&gt; 
 [I think that it could be that the rapeseed called canola is GE modified.]

We are needing to look back at older practical, perhaps simpler,  methods of managing food-production land and water.   Perhaps we might start right NOW and not put it in the too-hard basket as is usual.   Life is showing us that usual is not an option!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further vid on engineering and water in Netherlands:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfn8qoixx0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfn8qoixx0</a>  49m</p>
<p>Looking at the flooding situation &#8211; Europe knows and we will experience so must learn<br />
The extensive lowlands across Europe, not just Netherlands but also France but not apparently, England:<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Countries" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Countries</a><br />
<i>&#8230;Geographically and historically, the area can also include parts of France (such as Nord and Pas-de-Calais) and the German regions of East Frisia, Guelders and Cleves. During the Middle Ages, the Low Countries were divided into numerous semi-independent principalities&#8230;</i></p>
<p>The  political grouping lowlands of Benelux:<br />
Low Countries, Coastal region, northwestern Europe, consisting of Belgium, The Netherlands, and Luxembourg. Known as the Low Countries because much of the land along the North Sea is below or at sea level, they are often called the Benelux countries, from the initial letters of their names.<br />
Low Countries summary &#8211; Britannica<br />
<a href="https://www.britannica.com" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.britannica.com</a> › summary › Low-Countrie</p>
<p>England &#8211; The Fens  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fens<br />
<i>&#8230;Most of the Fens lie within a few metres of sea level. As with similar areas in the Netherlands, much of the Fenland originally consisted of fresh- or salt-water wetlands. These have been artificially drained and continue to be protected from floods by drainage banks and pumps. With the support of this drainage system, the Fenland has become a major arable agricultural region for grains and vegetables. The Fens are particularly fertile, containing around half of the grade 1 agricultural land in England.[4]</p>
<p>&#8230;the area now includes the lowest land in the United Kingdom. Holme Fen in Cambridgeshire, is around 2.75 metres (9 ft 0 in) below sea level.[8] Within the Fens are a few hills, which have historically been called &#8220;islands&#8221;, as they remained dry when the low-lying fens around them were flooded. The largest of the fen-islands was the 23-square-mile (60 km2) Kimmeridge Clay island,&#8230;<br />
&#8230;The Fens are very low-lying compared with the chalk and limestone uplands that surround them – in most places no more than 10 metres (33 ft) above sea level. As a result of drainage and the subsequent shrinkage of the peat fens, many parts of the Fens now lie below mean sea level. .. </p>
<p>Without artificial drainage and flood protection, the Fens would be liable to periodic flooding, particularly in winter due to the heavy load of water flowing down from the uplands and overflowing the rivers&#8230;<br />
&#8230;the more stable silt soils were reclaimed by medieval farmers and embanked against any floods coming down from the peat areas or from the sea. The rest of the Fenland was dedicated to pastoral farming, fishing, fowling, and the harvesting of reeds or sedge for thatch&#8230;</p>
<p>Today, arable farming has almost entirely replaced pastoral. The economy of the Fens is heavily invested in the production of crops such as grains, vegetables, and some cash crops such as rapeseed (canola)&#8230;</i><br />
 [I think that it could be that the rapeseed called canola is GE modified.]</p>
<p>We are needing to look back at older practical, perhaps simpler,  methods of managing food-production land and water.   Perhaps we might start right NOW and not put it in the too-hard basket as is usual.   Life is showing us that usual is not an option!!</p>
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