To ensure the Greens are not taken for granted by Labour, they need to be in talks with the Māori Party now for a joint agreement on bottom-lines when negotiating with Labour if they are successful in 2026.
The problem is the Māori Party’s ever growing list of radical positions that only benefit their definition of being Māori could open the door between NZF and Labour.
If the choice is Greens giving supply and confidence to Labour and NZF to defeat a National,ACT, NZF Government, then that has to be seriously considered.
If Greens already have a working joint statement agreement with the Māori Party, that makes a move by Labour and NZF far less possible.
One must never forget that to get Labour to do anything mildly solution based requires smashing their head against a wall with a gun to their head while screaming, ‘DO IT”.
Labour are the Party of incremental cautious nothings, to get them to take truly progressive policies seriously is only possible if you directly threaten them, that’s why they will always try to weasel out of doping anything meaningful with the support of NZF.
The Greens need to be talking to Māori Party now.
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The greens are all about identity politics, so siding with the maori party is a no brainier, OF COURSE the greens will happily side with the maori party….it’s ‘the feelz’ and they will say yes to any policy/laws that the maori party say are their bottom lines (and boy, they will have many!)
Greens will happily postulate themselves at the maori party alter…..and their membership will encourage it, unsure how many votes they will lose in the process, a good 2% at least.
All that being said, politics is more than the Parliamentary flavour and MMP machinations.
“The Hikoi” demonstrated that. Direct action is needed to stick it to the parasite donor class that buy elections. A general working class fight back and support capacity building movement is urgently needed, such as Unemployed Workers rights and Advocacy groups, and People’s Centres as per the 90s.
Basics have to be provided if the state will not do it.
Shouty Chloe ? White man hater Marama ? Te Pati Maori scorning decorum, protocol and gravitas in their mission to upstage the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party ? Talking like grown-ups ?
Martyn -Both the Greens and Te Pati Maori do not like each other due to conflicting policies…. For example, the Greens want a National Park in Northland based around the Kauri Forests…however, much of this is Maori Land, and Te Pati Maori is already said no.
The Greens are always taken for granted by Labour and Labour rarely take them seriously.
Does anyone take Greens or TPM seriously except their core supporters. Co.bine them with Labour and see the disaster unful
As someone looking on to the possibility of a Labour/Green/Maori Party Government with horror I think you might be on to something.
The Greens and The Maori Party deserve each other.
pdm. 100%, on both counts.
pdm – Agreed…that combination will not work.
PDM, they will scratch each other’s eyes out.
Good point. The Maori party takes a lot of very sensible economic and foreign policy positions, they need to make sure that none of them will make the neoliberals and CIA shills in the Greens spit the dummy.
Yes I agree pdm.
I cannot believe for a moment a majority of New Zealanders would support a combination of Maori,Green,Labour.
All three of them are discredited.
If TPM and Greens did get into power we could kiss goodbye to most of our foreign relationships with most countries l
Trevor – 100% Correct.
Yes the Korean ship builders really enjoy doing business with the current contract breaking idiots in power at the moment eh!
Do you know that we don’t just trade with Australia, England and the USA anymore?
TPM could learn some new skills quicker than you going on the repetition of the same outdated ideas in your comments.
“One must never forget that to get Labour to do anything mildly solution based requires smashing their head against a wall with a gun to their head while screaming, ‘DO IT”.”
To me that suggests a hopeless cause. If we need to force the party into doing anything, it will not do it with enthusiasm, it will not be effective, and it will swiftly retreat if or when the going gets tough.
Labour is a party of inveterate colonialists who cannot be conscripted into the ranks of tangata motu. Martyn has all but acknowledged that fact. So let’s just move on under our own steam.
Trevor we could kiss goodbye to everything,thankfully the majority of New Zealanders know that.
Im predicting a landslide for the Right at the next election.
Fully agree, because the Greens have marginally reduced their level of crazy since Marama left and an informal compact with TPM would lift their fringe status right back to its old heights.
Like Harris, TPM could pretend to be more moderate but no one will believe them. The Greens will see them for as dangerous and inexperienced angry radicals whose policies might as well be written in the sand before high tide. Labour couldn’t deliver do it’s hard to see how TPM ever could. Theatrics yes, mahi no.
What appalling comments by Trevor and pdm. The future is undoubtedly a coalition of these two parties. I gather already on some bill they have not voted the same way and I am interested to know what that was. They should be consulting on every single bill right now, comparing notes seeing why they are voting differently. Yes the Greens had a hideous year but Chloe is one if the best by a long shot in parliament. Neither of these parties are interested in being screwed by the big powers, and frankly I am really relieved to know that.
I wonder if we will ever have an independent foreign policy where we should not be aligned to anyone, but consider each piece of policy according to the interests of Aotearoans and not to any other country.
Tell me why you two Trevor of Otautahi and the other bod, why National refuses to acknowledge what is happening to Palestinians… tell me, wouldn’t be anything to do with being seen as anti semitic, or anything to do with our masters in the United States, the bullying boss of the world.
Appears all the usual anti left posting here are getting worried, best to fuck off eh.
Well, I’ve gotten a feel for the Greens, not so much TPM. Wishy-washy. I donate to them, they’re in my will (you should have seen the sour expression of the Public Trust woman 20 years ago as she recorded it). A central good idea divorced from the force necessary to deliver it. Not an understanding of what is needed to deliver the species from extinction.
Kiri Tamihere-Waititi, Te Paati Māori chief of staff, wife of TPM co-leader MP Rawiri Waititi, and daughter of TPM president John Tamihere:
https://youtu.be/6VDLdbiyKFk
Look out! I can assure you the day of reckoning is near. I now realise Jacinda Ardern tried to pacify things but was ambushed by the ignorance of the very people she was looking out for. This current govt with the TPB has stupidly poured petrol on the smoldering embers of Maori discontent that could have, in time, self extinguished if left alone.
Will they communicate in Te Reo?
There is much that can be done with talk. As long as you don’t forget yourself amid the chat (apparently Ramsay McDonald c. 1930 — though he was never that solid).
Put on an equal footing, the right can’t beat the left.unless the Left’s vanguard allows isolation from comrades, or fails to communicator to the base. Labour’s social media game was all but absent the audience they needed to reach was getting politcial new from TikTok – only in the last couple of weeks did Labour start to pick its game, and then with help from UK – while National had over months been spending a tonne of cash on the platform to radicalize “Karen”. The last election is a poster child for this. From failure to communicate the successes of the last administration, to failing to offer a WIFM to voters, to failing to collectively strategize elaborate offerings.
Martyn isn’t wrong here, and to play his part, he needs to post on BlueSky.