Govt’s foreign policy stance huge ‘pivot’ – international media
The coalition Government’s foreign policy represents the most significant shift in New Zealand’s stance in a generation, a leading news magazine suggests.
The Economist noted a move away from China and towards the United States, calling it “New Zealand’s biggest pivot since the 1980s”. The magazine spoke to Prime Minister Christopher Luxon during his visit to South-East Asia earlier this month.
It said he was looking to “diversify New Zealand’s diplomatic and trade relationships away from its reliance on China”, which it described as “mostly uncontroversial”.
But it said Wellington was also looking for “closer alignment” with its Five Eyes partners, the United States, Britain, Canada and Australia.
This, the magazine said, would bring New Zealand closer to the US than at any time since the breakup of the ANZUS alliance in 1986 over New Zealand’s anti-nuclear rules.
The Economist article follows a similar piece by a defence analyst in Foreign Policy magazine earlier this year, which said: “Beijing’s bullying tactics have pushed Wellington into Washington’s welcoming arms.”
Derek Grossman wrote, “Criticizing Beijing is a new tactic in New Zealand’s playbook.”
One of the glorious bits about being a Kiwi is how easily manipulated we are as a people and culture.
We are so ignorant to what the current Government are doing it is only when external critics raise these issues that we freak out.
What the foreign whites think has always been cripplingly important to us.
We are so laid back we are culturally horizontal, but when a foreign white criticises us, it’s all hands on deck with a snappy salute and heel click.
One of the funniest parts about NZ having actual Chinese spies inside our Government was how overseas writers always added with a level of surprise how we as Kiwis seemed utterly unaware and unconcerned about having Chinese spies inside the NZ Government.
It wasn’t until the external world started voicing their concerns at the lack of our concerns that the two Chinese Spies were quietly kicked out of both National and Labour.
Likewise with the influence of the Atlas Network. When Mata broke the story of Atlas Network influence in domestic politics, the Democracy Project decried it as a conspiracy theory. Then The Washington Post did a story about the Atlas Network’s influence in NZ politics and everyone shut the fuck up.
Similarly we have this Economist report highlighting how extreme the new AUKUS strategy pivot by NZ is, and only now the sleepy Hobbits of muddle NuZilind are realising this Government has signed NZ up to the next American Military Industrial Complex War.
With the possibility off Trump winning, why the fuck would NZ want to tie itself closer to Amerika?
I love how easily manipulated we are as a people and culture and that we only ever seem to realise it when a foreign white tells us.
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We need to be close to Australia and as they are close to USA then we are drawn into their corner.
If war did break out I would rather we were on the West team than the China or Russian team.
I would rather be an independent team, just because Australia wants to put it’s hand into the fire is no reason for us to follow. We do have a lot in common with Australia and I would do as much as possible to stay close to them but we have the ability to think for ourselves and with the US election result pending it is a good time to exercise caution.
It won’t be your choice. . . however much you may wish. . .
Trevor, you remember OCT 1 2024? The Iranian missile retaliation on apartheid Israel penetrated their so called sophisticated missile defense system with ease! These are USA Lockheed Martin weapons capabilities that was ineffective against Iranian missiles who are align militarily, economically, socially with Russia & China. Think before you say stupid things
So you want to be in the camp that has no regard for women’s rights ,religious rights, indigenous rights or personal rights. The West may not be perfect in any of these but it is well ahead of your group.
Trevor, the west is responsible for subjecting the indigenous population to a lower standard of life ever heard of colonization? Yes Trevor your precious west are the real perpetrators of the evil shit happening globally not Iran, China or Russia. Ask the indigenous Palestinians what their colonizers are like? Think before saying stupid things
Poor simple Trevor.
Absolute nonsense. The ockers are useless, and a defensive alliance with China with strategic ballistic missiles stationed here to hit the bases established in Australia for their race war against Chinese people would be a great defensive strategy.
Sport that’s all you think of you dunderheads. Teams phffff.
We need to diversify away from China because China is going broke.
Yes lets stop all trade with china .Then we can pay 200% tariffs on every thing we export to them and buy goods at 3 x the price we can get them from china .That will help the balance of payments how ?
Trump gets elected thats how our trade with the USA will look .The dumb voters are moaning about how expensive things are but they forget he imposed tariffs and such when last in power and now they are reaping the result .
” China is going broke.” watching too much Peter Zeihan Andrew? This prediction has been peddled by the far-right since forever
It will happen two weeks from now…. forever
Yes let’s ask our allies to buy heaps of beef and milk. Oh! What! They said no?
We will reap what we sow .At the moment we are sowing hate and dispear internally so will be happy to do the same externally .We are all ready dipping our toes in that swamp by send troops to the middle east .By doing so we are fueling the hate and dispear being dished out in the name of defending ones self .I have never seen such a one sided operation which is just an extension of the hate fueled by the powerful minority in the USA which conveinently forgets the way the jews were treated in Europe .I read a piece about Polish kids coming to NZ during the 2nd war and how greatful they were and still are .Clearly this is not the case of the Jews in Israel after the world bent over to rehome them with result being pure hate for the people they were expected to live along side not replace .
There are several US military think tanks like the Rand corp, Brooking institute etc..that indicate conclusions on how to combat the rise of China, Russia, Iran, these reports paint a dystopia and frankly deluded picture on how to confront these rising powers?
Which Path to Persia talks about a chapter called “Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike” written in 2009 by some of the most deluded hawkish individuals on planet earth not taking into account Iran military capabilities since!
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf
Over extending Russia talks about using proxies like Ukraine and western europe county’s culminating with sanctions to undermine russia economically that has backfired significantly with the intention of creating division so they could overthrow their elected government.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf
Coming War on China another deluded far-reaching report with the help of their regional and 5 eyes partners in their words using the unsinkable warships like Taiwan, Philippines to bait China for destabilization and claiming that the last resort is to use nuclear weapons as a show of military superiority?? unfucken belivable
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA1700/RRA1743-2/RAND_RRA1743-2.pdf
Watch out.
The TEMU wars are a coming.
Mans desire for war stories is insatiable.
But with the advent of nuclear weapons world war has been put on hold
these past 79 years. Boo hoo. So what to do?
Russia and the USA have had 70 years of sabre rattling “the cold war.
Boring. We want war.
The only military wars Russia and the USA have had have been their
humiliating losses to the Afghanistan militia.
So increasingly imaginary trade wars and battles for imaginary spheres of influences have taken the place of military wars.
“Wars” are now between the Left or the Right the Feminists and the Male narcissists the greenies and the developers the whites and the non whites the Red Necks and the progressives.
The “war” with China is a created packaged imaginary media beat up.
The enemy is now TEMU destroying the NZ way of life through bargainization.
Which reminds me my latest shipment from the “enemy” is due any day now.
But is it that we’re easily manipulated or are we constantly let down by the politic we pay to best serve and protect us. I.e. By us, for us. And aren’t we a commonwealth country? Not some lost and lonely little few islands no one wants or cares about? The Natzo’s have been fucking with our heads since 1936 so why do you think we should expect anything different from them?
We’re also a crown entity, not a U$A minion and no more than landing strip for what ever the fuck they’re up to in Antarctica where everything’s ice and penguin shit.
We’re soon to go into deep freeze mode after a brief sauna experience globally so nothing re geopolitics means a fuck really. Our greed and stupid added to our ingenious minds have really fucked things up so the current rustling in the rats nests is in preparation for where to go see out the next and last generation or two.
AO/NZ should allow itself to be woo’d by the lessor of the weevils of evil or we’re going to have wooing forced upon us and this laughable gooberment is the last thing we need in these delicate times. We needed elegance, sophistication and tolerance. We got God bothering idiocrats using the smell of money as aphrodisiacs while we import cheap violins from China to rasp at as our beautiful ship sinks below a rotting ocean.
Watch this. Is very, very good. Takes your mind of the banal.
Prime.
‘Everything and Nothing’.
Is truly remarkable stuff and a fantastic diversion from the writhing pestilence that we’ve now become.
“Everything and Nothing is a collection of episodes that answer some of humankind’s most complicated questions: Where did we come from? What is the smallest particle? What actually drives the universe? Team up with leading scientists to uncover the answers as we know them today. The series features acclaimed British host and Professor Jim Al-Khalili, one of the world’s most respected voices in science.”
So most of our trade is with China.
Ships coming to and from China are carrying our exports to China and carrying Chinese goods to us.
China does not want us to make military agreements with them.
The United States wants us to help obtain military intelligence.
The United States restricts our trade via Tariffs and subsidised protection for its own producers.
We have supported U.S. military actions and suffered deaths as a result. In return the USA grants us a huge slice of Sweet Fanny Adams.
China is ruled by a brutal dictator who does not care about human rights but is able to use its permanence in government to make long term plans. China strengthens its position in the world through diplomacy and trade rather than military action.
The United States is ruled by a bunch of headless chooks with nuclear weapons. Its diplomatic position is to support Israel no matter what it does.
Statistics show people from the United States actually buy more land in New Zealand than the Chinese do
So why does our government see China as a threat to our security but not the USA?
Did US dollars change hands somewhere? Or are we so fucking stupid we will do this for free?
People like Trevor feel safer with the USA so that is obviously stronger than the abundant evidence you use to describe the true situation. Maybe it’s a case of better the devil you know that makes people blind to the danger of relying on the USA for our future?
we cant talk about chinese human rights when our own are as bad if not worse as the recent enquiry found .
If Key is endorsing a convicted felon, serial sex offender, insurrectionist, businessman with multiple bankruptcies, dictator, pathological liar and adulterer in Trump then we know right like to lay down with dogs(America) and get fleas. It also shows that Key has and never has had any integrity but sadly like Trump the simple minded were brainwashed by Key.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-did-john-key-endorse-donald-trump-simon-wilson/TJHRORYABJHT3LBWG7YNPM5LFM/
While I personally would not endorse Trump from what I have read about Harris’s policies on the actually running of the country there are many areas of concern especially in the economy.
Key would be more aware of the financial situation of America and the world than most so his opinion is valid.
His opinion is worth nothing, why do you continue to peddle nonsense. From what I’ve read of Trumps policies of actually running the country the USA will be worse off and Trump will be wealthier and will self pardon. Everything I’ve mentioned of Trump is proven and Key endorsing Trump may be valid but that says more about Key’s poor values and integrity. Teaming up with the Chow brothers only confirms it.
Key scuttled off the sinking ship.
There was so much corruption with Key, no wonder he aligns himself with Trump.
Talking about scuttling off please remind where Jacinda has bolted to.
Oh Trevor, how many times. Lunatics like yourself threatened to kill her daughter. People like you on the fringe of reality are loose cannons requiring a dementia ward. But this isn’t about Jacinda though is it your retard from the U.K.
Jacinda didn’t go into bed with the Chow brothers, she wasn’t complicit in the Chinese party donation scandal, she wasn’t involved in XKey score, etc, etc, etc.
Trevor, you need to stay on topic however I doubt you have the intellect to do that given they exported you from the U.K.
You lose the room when you resort to racism
You lose the room when you deflect and go off subject Trevor Baggins
So what have you read about Harris’s policies? Half the inbred Trump supporters ( not referring to you at all) say she has no policies at all. Of course that appears to be Fox News bullshit as usual. Trump wants tariffs despite seemingly having no f’ing clue what he is talking about. His supporters go on about inflation but then support tariffs!!! What are they talking about? What will tariffs do to consumer prices. Key was talking rubbish for some reason.
So what have you read about Harris’s policies? Half the inbred Trump supporters ( not referring to you at all) say she has no policies at all. Of course that appears to be Fox News bullshit as usual. Trump wants tariffs despite seemingly having no f’ing clue what he is talking about. His supporters go on about inflation but then support tariffs!!! What are they talking about? What will tariffs do to consumer prices. Key was talking rubbish for some reason.
And then next up….Amerika begins soft soaping NZ to get dispense with our anti-nuclear stance. Anyone hear Bolton opinioning about it would be in our best interest to drop it? In this troubled world….ya need nuclear capacity.
You’re also likely becoming a target by the nuclear powers you’re trying to defend yourself against like China, Russia, North Korea, India, Pakistan etc.. Remember China launched a ICBM test last month
As long as the Rocket Lab spy satellite base exists in Mahia we are a legitimate military target.
Aus is getting a massive US air force base in northern territory .We will get a us naval base in the revamped Whanarei harbour thats why they want us to drop our anti nuclear stance .We need a new navy but cant afford or even staff one so we will bend over and let them in .
Yes, this is what it is leading up to and with this morally bankrupt government they will drop our anti nuclear policy like a hot potatoe at the first opportunity.
I trust China to keep out of NZ affairs more than I trust USA.
China is a model global citizen when compared to the warmongering USA.
Want to buy a kidney .I am sure there is a prisoner on death row some where in China
and the USA has the same buy a spare part or just find a homeless person and just take what you need no one will give a fuck .
Lols, “buy” a kidney? make up your little mind, is China a capitalist state or ths dirty commie one you usually claim it to be?
Anyway, in USA it’s planned obsolesce, better to waste them than let them flood their precious market and reduce demand and prices for them. Plus USA’s many death row victims are probably forbidden by SCOTUS to donate on crazy religious grounds
Funny how these people never mention the squeezed middle any more .Maybe its because they have been squeezed down to bottom feeders by the fuck wits they voted in as predicted before the election .They were ony squeezed because they went on a debt fueled spending spree for two years .