New Zealanders should be absolutely outraged with this rhetoric from Destiny Church head Brian Tamaki in which he is giving permission for his patched Man Up gang & others within his church permission to tear down any Māori, pro-Palestinian & LGBTQ+ flags at his stand in the… pic.twitter.com/cCKcCpD4EB
— Kelvin Morgan 🇳🇿 (@kelvin_morganNZ) October 19, 2024
So what the Bish is promising is that any Māori, Palestinian or LGBT Flags flown on November 16th will be attacked by his Christian Leather Fascists?
Shouldn’t the Terrorism Squad be looking at this closely?
We have these Christian Leather Fascists wanting to cause violence on November 16th, being told by their religious leader to cause violence and telling his followers he is the ultimate authority.
How come this Gang can get away with open threats of violence?
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Perhaps it is because they don’t threaten the interests of the political class, in fact they are mostly in line with them this time. Two thorns in the side of the political class facing off against each other, not a bad thing, especially since the mainstream media machine can spin this any which way, that suits political interests. Perhaps its because they hive advertised their intent, well ahead of time, that the hands of authority will be prepared for them. Who knows….but they have made their presence felt at our last two protests with a trio of local coppers idling by (they’re only up the road) to check on things. Interesting to see whether this is limited to Sat Nov 16th or also includes the day before or the day after also, given protests are largely held over all three days. We’ll see i guess…
Martyn – Not good at all.
Not sure but old mate Kelvin is having trouble with caps lock and that should also be illegal.
Be interesting to see if “snatch the patch” legislation when done applies to this Destiny lot as well as the more traditional patched gangs.
They are reactionaries of the first order as their targets show–Rainbow, Palestine Solidarity and Māori activists, they are not targeting polluters, migrant exploiters, or the CoC. Destiny and the Bish’ are a negative group in NZ society and should be taxed and pay their way at the very least. Apply Three Strikes to Tamaki I say, not that Seymour’s fantasy should be supported.
A woman I know has Destiny on in public and tells them that Jesus loves gays and everyone else, the “Man Up” men just want to punch her you can tell by their expressions and body language, but they have not done so far, but hey we are in the Far North.
I talked to a local cop and he just laughed when asked about removing patches from Mangu Kaha or Mighty Mongrel Mob members.
I am at odds with many on this platform but weather right or left this prick does not have the support of his action from either side .Why is his organization still classed as a charity with its tax free status
Trevor “ Why is his organisation still classed as a charity?” Good point. The IRD need to front up about this, or it could be a matter for the solicitor general, not that that’s saying much.
I’m reminded of the Deadpool line in the middle of a fight when his head is slammed against the headrest of a car seat, “Rich Corinthian Leather”
Brian Tamaki is a zionazi supporter he believes in nothing but himself and how to capitalize on his own greed! There a video floating around with one of his supporters outside a mosque in Auckland I believe with a megaphone yelling profanities at Muslims and their children but quickly realized that some of them were Maori and weren’t afraid to confront him being of Maori descent himself quickly put the megaphone down and scampered away like a coward it was hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC_8hriCpRQ&pp=ygU1ZGVzdGlueSBjaHVyaCBzdXBwb3J0ZXIgd2l0aCBtZWdhcGhvbmUgb3V0c2lkZSBtb3NxdWU%3D
Chillingly similar to Nazi party’s brownshirt behaviour in early 1930s.
I understand those guys, whatever else you may say about them, cracked down on pimps and pedophiles. Wheras Tamaki is siding with a ‘nation’ of them.
How can it be that all those well groomed dudes in black shiny leather, striking really butch attitudes are not as gay as fuck?!
Most of them are probably closet cases
Hey, that’s ‘muscular young Christian men, going hard for Jesus’ that you’re talking about!
“going hard”?
Leather fascists….? Ooooh.. For a minute there I thought it read leather fetishists. Or leather feminists?
This is how you deal with silly little boys who poo their panties then have tanties. Ignore them. Don’t give the dip shits oxygen. Everything about greedy, manipulative brian tamaki howls of emotionally under-developed narcissistic sociopath. He feasts on attention. He craves it like plants crave Brawndo. Tamaki and his tanti-havers are like rugby players. The only reason they threaten physical violence is because it’s the only way to get close to another fellows penis without looking like a Poof. or Gay person if you’d prefer.
Here, is where tamaki really belongs.
Idiocracy. Brawndo Country!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
Now les’ y’awl hear it for President Comacho! Sheeeeit!
President Comacho! https://youtu.be/ig446isvXlI?feature=shared
‘the interests of the political class’. Religious people have helped politically IIRR by delivering leaflets for National before election. So it’s interesting how interests can collide/parallel interestingly. Some background for perspective:
NZ – https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22882433?search%5Bi%5D%5Bsubject_authority_id%5D=-1771&search%5Bpath%5D=items
I think this is one about trying to form our destiny!
and – How the very exclusive brethren can step out of their seclusion –
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350077416/exclusive-brethren-lessons-suggest-destiny-should-beware-meddling-politics Sept24/23
Exclusive Brethren told to pray for Bill English and National …
Stuff https://www.stuff.co.nz › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
15 Hūr 2017 — The hardline Christian sect issued a prayer agenda calling for the “right Government which maintains Christian principles” to win the New …
Sept25/2006 https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0609/S00519/anderton-gives-open-response-to-brethren.htm
Anderton gives Open Response to Brethren. (Exclusive)
from – Jim Anderton MP for Wigram and Leader of the Progressive Party
to – Open Reply to Tim Lough, Greg Mason, Andy Smith, Andrew Simmons, Neville Simmons, Phil Win, and Doug Watt, members of the Exclusive Brethren.
…I refer to your open letter of 11 September 2006 to all Members of Parliament. You contend that although you are all senior members of the Exclusive Brethren Church, your actions in the last election campaign were nothing to do with the Church but were all personal. …
Brethren backed Bay MPs – Hawkes Bay Today News
Oct.3/2006 NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
JONATHAN DOW The Exclusive Brethren helped National’s Craig Foss and Chris Tremain campaign to become the MPs for Tukituki and Napier respectively last
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22618609 : Christianity – Political aspects,
Church and politics, Politics and Christianity, Politics and the church
Other NZ religion and politics related:
Religion and the vote – New Zealand News
NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
18 Noe 2004 — Anglican Bishop David Coles says New Zealand doesn’t have enough religious conservative Christian groups “to push us in the same direction
Jun.6/17 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/winston-peters-tells-muslim-communities-families-to-clean-house/CCE34ZEHUWS23BCBAOAV7WZYMU/
Oct.29/21 https://theconversation.com/spirit-of-resistance-why-destiny-church-and-other-new-zealand-pentecostalists-oppose-lockdowns-and-vaccination-170193
Our history – Religious standing for fairness, probity and control of profit-seeking harmful entities:
Page 5. Religion and politics Te Ara https://teara.govt.nz › …Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
Dissenters, secularists and anti-clerical Anglicans led the settler attack on what they saw as a reactionary clerical–Māori alliance determined to keep land and …
Conflict over Māori rights – 1800s
The churches played significant, often controversial, roles in politics. Between the mid-1830s and early 1860s Anglican missionaries, clergy and laymen led the humanitarian campaign to uphold Māori rights and welfare. An even larger number of Māori Christians, also often Anglican, defended their land and political rights. Dissenters, secularists and anti-clerical Anglicans led the settler attack on what they saw as a reactionary clerical–Māori alliance determined to keep land and power away from ordinary settlers.
Evangelical reforms
Between the 1870s and the 1930s Scottish Presbyterians joined forces with other dissenters – Methodists, Baptists, Brethren, Congregationalists, the Church of Christ and the Salvation Army – to form a powerful evangelical coalition. Bringing activism from Britain, they spearheaded the great reform movements of the age,…
Elsewhere in the world.
UK Religious leaders and the prevention of electoral violence
GOV.UK
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › media PDF
19 Mei 2016 — How have religious leaders been involved in reducing the risk of electoral and political violence and supporting free and fair elections ( …
USA National Elections and Religion in America
Oxford Research Encyclopedias https://oxfordre.com › …Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
America is a land of religious diversity and activism, and the political result is competing religious voices in national elections. The United States consists …
Kenya – Full article: Religion and the Prevention of Election Violence
Taylor & Francis Online | https://www.tandfonline.com › … Whakamāoritia tēnei whārangi
12 Pēp 2024 — This essay shows how many churches in Kenya recently excluded politicians from their religious gatherings and denied them access to the pulpit.
They know they are above the law, tax law that is.
Greywarbler. There was also a time when the Catholic Church had political clout in New Zealand. I may have documentation of Des Dalgety and Rob Muldoon’s friendship, but prior to that, in the 1951 snap election following the watersiders’ strike, clergy advised church congregations who not to vote for. The shadow of the post-WW2 ‘Cold War’, and the threat of international communism, was efficacious here.
Those Scots endowed our first university in Dunedin, and one founded the Otago Daily Times as New Zealand’s first daily newspaper, but in the Deep South the Evangelical Union activists were extremist zealots, not unlike contemporary Green and Maori parliamentary seat warmers, but with the “ moral superiority “ of being God’s helping hands, and as unmovable as Easter Island statues.
More recently I seem to recall some of Tamaki’s mob being vocally aggressive towards a blood-stained mosque in Christchurch before being hustled off the scene.
tamaki gets too much leeway in the tax and political threats arenas….imagine for 1 minute an lgbt organisation behaved in the same way…a ton of bricks would be deployed
plus he’s a grifter preying on the ignorant
A feeling of security despite infinite dimness about reality. I feel I could talk anyone of them out of violence. I thret more about a stubbed toe than them, and I wear shoes since I turned 37.
John Tamihere threatening for TPM, Brian Tamaki threatening for Destiny Church
Brothers together.
Brians leather boys ,,,,, https://youtu.be/Fr7ItfUx0LA
They’ve got their balls to the wall :0 https://youtu.be/B_3TlrZLpQ0
And going from old french rock to Rammsteins nod towards religion ,,, a lot of Flagellation going on https://youtu.be/af59U2BRRAU
only the weak congregate to intimidate
What is the significance of November 16th? What is the context, please?