Latest Roy Morgan Poll is out and it’s ANOTHER reason why Labour fucking up the leak of their internal Talbot Poll matters so much.
Roy Morgan says:
National – 37.5%
ACT – 10%
NZF – 7.5%
Labour – 23%
Green – 14%
Māori Party – 4%
THIS is why it was so important for Labour not to fuck up the leaking of their Talbot Polls.
I have been vicious and destructive towards the Labour Party Staffers who fucked up the first Talbot Poll leak and then the second one as well.
Why does this matter?
Because the leaked Talbot Polls tell a completely different story to Roy Morgan and TU Poll and because Newshub is dead there are only 4 polls left, TVNZ, Roy Morgan TU and Talbot internals.
By repeatedly fucking up the leaking of the Talbot Polls, Left wing supporters now feel depressed and lost.
There are so many things an effective Opposition utilising their social media muscle properly could be achieving right now, the current team are drowning and taking Chippy with them.
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The figures. speak for themselves .Despite the haters on this site it shows National have the people behind them .While some move are. unpopular most realize they are necessary for the long term health of the country.
In the 10 months since taking over Coalition policy has helped stem inflation and now the interest rates are dropping. We are going into summer in good heart and xmas will give a boost to retail figures . While there is a long way to go to improving the countries wellbeing we are going in the rght direction
Meanwhile Chippy is drowning the Labour Party.
@ Daniel.
I agree. And without the teeth, the hair and the C virus to save the ol’ working persons ship from sinking hipkins himself will sink along with it, as will be part of the plan.
There have been reports of how becoming a kiwi politician was merely an intermediary step to becoming a lobbyist privateer on twice+ the money without having to worry about being found out or of being de established. I.e. Voted out before the acquisition of, say, seven rental properies .
Currently, labour is simply national 2.0. National was and is the vehicle to deliver neo-liberalism and neo-liberalism is fascism and fascism enables greedy sociopaths. That’s why jimbo bolger was in support of Labours finance minister, roger The Traitor douglas. roger destroyed the very essence of Labour from within and in so doing cranked up the conveyor belt to carry ex politicians out the back door to extreme private wealth. I.E. your money laundered through the corrupt now foreign owned retail banking infrastructure.
Any msm who tries to solemnly discuss the ins and outs of the cats arse hole that is our politics and our economy makes them look like pathetic, poorly, thinky-thinky types who are either too lazy to do the research or are too well paid to cover up alternatives to our thieving abusers narratives.
As I write, our economy’s being deliberately tanked, our ports are desperately quiet and our false, house-price economy’s dropping like a fucking brick as was to be expected, let’s face it.
I think a revolution’s required and hyper urgently before we’re sold to someone else to hide the crimes.
I believe Chloe Swarbrick could do that with the shoulder to shoulder old guard being of our farmers and Maori.
To generalise for the sake of the argument; Farmers have the money and Maori have the Mana and the treaty.
The rest of us used to have trade unions, which, it should be pointed out, were farmer money and Maori person-power oriented and we no longer have that. We’re lost at sea surrounded by sharks. Yes. You can freak out now.
Trevor around 63% aren’t behind National. What is it in your make up that defends absolute bullshit. How is running the health system into the ground for the good of the country?
So true. Trevor’s amateurish PR bullshit is laughable.I have true blue colleagues who now regret voting and act voters who are ashamed that they voted for the little radicalised Atlass puppet and his nonentity henchwomen
Yes…and the latest stats. on the economy out today show that, in just 10 months, Willis and Luxon have absolutely tanked the economy….and that’s only the beginning.
Economist Craig Renney predicted this result pre election if National won and again 6 months ago … his calculations have been deadly accurate..
Luxon’s bullshit hubristic idiocy of continuously stating, pre, and after the election, that he was not going to be ‘lectured to’ by Labour on how to run the economy has come back to, not only bite him in the arse, but demonstrate utter incompetency and that he is actually not “good with numbers”, as he has also stated with monotonous regularity.
New Zealand is now in ALL SORTS OF TROUBLE. People are about to find out how good Grant Robertson was at managing the books in very unusual times and how out of her depth, and incompetent, Willis is.
And she hasn’t had a pandemic or a series of natural disasters to deal with yet!!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350445277/verity-johnson-no-one-other-chris-luxon-feels-wealthy-and-sorted-right-now
Good you linked to that. No one else would have bothered reading opinion on Stuff. After Newshub and One News, Stuff must be rearranging the deck chairs.
“10 months since taking over Coalition policy has helped stem inflation”
Yeah right. The middle class getting whacked with 7% mortgage rates and being left with no discretionary spending money and retailers having to bring prices down and sell stock at no profit is what tamped down inflation. Nothing to do with Luxon Peters or Seymour.
The economy is so dire under their reign they are putting their less government idealogy on the backburner and underwriting their developer mates to reinflate the housing market.
Of course they could take the same risk build state houses and have an income producing tax reducing asset for the next 100 years but they don’t really know how to run govt as a business.
I live in a true blue anti Maori electorate .In the last couple of days I have spoken to some of those voters in my neighbor hood and have been suprised as to the dislike they have for the current government and its leader .One very prim and proper lady farmer described Luxon as humpy dumpty which nearly knocked my socks off .I also see the big business is getting pissed off with the time and money being wasted on the racist Treaty bill which they now regret supporting at election time as they realize how much Maori contribute to NZs economy in actual earnings toward GDP and the labour they use in their day to day along with the growing buying power of Maori .What would happen if Maori decided to only do business with only Maori owned and run companies .
“as they realize how much Maori contribute to NZ’s economy in actual earnings towards GDP”
And how much is that, Gordon?
Perhaps Gordon means all that tax the Iwi contribute to the partnership. Oh wait.
According to google about 70 billion p.a.
PwC. Unlocking the potential of Māori economic rangatiratanga.
Haha. I don’t like National either and didn’t vote for them. Doesn’t mean they’ll vote for your side though. They likely think National is not RW enough, and they’d be correct.
I hope these female neighbors are not the ones you call bitches . You must find it hard to see all these successful National voters happy with the direction we are heading.
They’re happy to see National taking us in the wrong direction.
The disdain is that they’re piss-weak on RW issues, and they’re correct. Doesn’t mean they’ll vote for your lot.
Interesting proposition that Maori only buy from Maori.
1- What percentage of Maori would buy into this proposition?
2- Can a Maori owned business be one without financial investment from a non Maori bank?
3- Can the Maori business stock non Maori goods? Does this defeat the point of a Maori owned business if they are only a distribution point for non Maori entities? (think Petrol as an example).
4- Will Maori owned businesses transport their Maori sourced goods on non Maori transport suppliers such as rail, truck, etc.
5- Will Maori owned businesses only employ Maori?
6- Will Maori businesses pay the 19% Maori business tax or the full 38% their competitors pay?
7- How will Maori businesses advertise to the urban Maori that they are a Maori business and will this effect their other clientele? Big sign outside? Or the slower more ponderous “word of mouth”?
There is historical evidence, from the Muslim religion, in that Halah butchers were not a marketable proposition until demand made it viable. Perhaps Maori business for Maori is a goer if demand is there. Looking forward to seeing Maori businesses in operation especially in the grocery sector.
PS Can you explain this full stop before the next and not after the last sentence, grammar?
good for you, interesting thank you.
So who are they going to vote for? Labour? Greens? Seriously?
I think Luxon is a berk too, and didn’t vote for him, but hey, they made election promises and are trying to keep them.
Perhaps Labour won’t promise bullshit that they can’t deliver next time. Kiwibuild anyone?
I think you are right Gordon. No one likes Luxon, whether left, right or centre. Possibly on a personal basis he might be fine. As a PM, he’s like that person who turns up and you have to check your emails for his name.
Chippy is drowning and taking Labour with it, don’t you mean. Get rid of him and find a person with some dynamics to lead. Leak away I say, right now Labour is god dam useless.
It took the dazzling charisma of Ardern to persuade enough voters in 2017 that Labour was different this time.
Who in Labour has her charisma? And the voters have re-learnt not to trust charisma.
But they weren’t different in fact at all. Same old same old.
The future are the Greens and te Pati Maori
The real danger is if the Labour Party continue as they are with Chippy they risk disappearance.We need a credible opposition which we currently don’t have.The Greens are shown up as a group of jealous squabblers the Maori Party a vaudeville act intent on dress up.
Martyn those figures are the August Roy Morgan Poll.
The September one is:
Nat 38.1%, ACT 8.6%, NZF 6.1% = 52.8%
Lab 26.9%, Green 11.6% MP 3.1% = 41.6
Apologies – I got my columns mixed up.
You are correct.
LINO is at 26% and is facing one of the most destructive corrupt government since the shyster 2008-17.
” the current team are drowning ”
So are many of the people they claim they represent.
Hipkins and his team of advisors and his cowardly MP’s are responsible for the situation they find themselves in.
Talking to many people out here they despise Luxon and his coalition of crooks but hate Hipkins and LINO more.
Elections really are for idiots..
I voted once in 1978 but never again.
Polls are plain silly and are media generated fluff and mean nothing 730 days from election 2026.
New Zealands electoral system is controlled by idiot swinging voters.
NZ has a right wing 9 year left wing 6 year cycle.
The idiot swinger 30% change sides every 6/9 years as they blame the sitting Government for all their problems and believe the lot they chucked out last time have all the answers this time.
So we will have at least 5 more years of White right wing ignorance and prejudice.
It is what it is.
“The idiot swinger 30% change sides every 6/9 years………”
Yep you got it right there…..30% plus NZ voters are just plain stupid…..or weird!
While the tide washes out Labour can’t be bothered to fight to in any way mitigate the effects the coalition of the sorted are inflicting on ordinary kiwis. This govt is so bad Labour should be mauling them in the media.
Meanwhile the other half not “sorted” are left to rot Trevor…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/community-advocate-dave-letele-to-shut-down-south-auckland-foodbank-citing-costs/ZLUQERNVSFAWTMD2TKBLPBBUSI/
Look I agree Martyn that people feel like they are drowning. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes in the Labour Party but I do know they struggle for resources – given the parliamentary party have around one third of the CoC in Parliamentary funding and of course no donations from the rich and famous. Their head office runs entirely on donations and contributions from individuals and branches. You know ordinary folk? MPs donate from their salaries, like the Greens, but when their MP numbers reduce, so do their contributions. I think we look for silver bullets; the charismatic leader who is going to come in and save us – a bit like the Joan of Arc story. This refrain about Chippy annoys me. I know from former experience how debilitating a leadership contest can be and how that’s all the media would write about all the way to the next election. And you think a new leader wouldn’t be a target? We all look for media hits, and feel pleased when we see them, but does it convince anyone? There’s no getting away from the hard slog. It’s person by person, face to face, phone call by phone call, door to door. I see some good MPs in Labour doing their bit : they are sticking to issues and their job at the moment is to expose what a hopeless awful government we have.
You fail to mention the money Labour gets from the unions. Much is made of the donations to the coalition by companies now on the fast track list . I maybe nieve but I am sure any journalist worn his salt would expose any corruption but nothing is said how much unions gave Labour when they were in negotiations.
How much did the farmers federation or the Chow brothers, Mowbray, Mainfreight, NZ Business Inc, etc, etc, etc donate to National. One thing is for certain, far more than the unions ever donate to Labour, they’re not as wealthy as your best guess Trevor. What is the hang up with the unions anyway? They’re designed to help the little people, a little like you donating your time to food banks Trevor or as we suspect that may be a white lie.
Or maybe as you say there is no corruption with the unions donating to Labour because the name Labour and the hours of labour(40 hrs) were hard fought for by the unions over corrupt businesses.
I can’t believe the idiocy of this statement. Unions that are affiliated are a recognised part of the Labour Party and have a constitutional role. The Labour Party arose from the terrible defeats of workers in the early 1900s when workers recognised that having industrial strength wasn’t enough but they needed a political voice. Go have a look at the donation returns and tell me who is exercising power through money? It certainly aint unions. And while you are at it thank unions and Labour for the long weekend coming up soon on Labour Day.
” I can’t believe the idiocy of this statement. ”
I can. This misinformed crap without doing the research and basing it on facts before you post is widespread on this blog.
Its a major problem ignorance and stupidity. You only have to watch Trump and his supporters to understand that.
Unlike Luxons landlord mates, the Unions have actually given Aotearoa useful things.
No, they are not
Lone Comet – Yes, Unions do fund Labour…
1. The Hollow Men stated this…
2. The Production Line from Union Leadership to Labour MPs is well established…
Hmmm 55% Vs 41%
It seems this govt will last 6mths.
I’m curious to hear from the ones who gave it 6mths to a year.
Looks like you were all spending too much time in a lefty echo chamber.
Get out and see the country, see how it’s getting better after 6yrs of ruination.
Yes we’re seeing the ruination of the country in just 10 months of the CoC! They have completely fucked health, they’re separatists of education and ruined our national infrastructure.
Your tighty righty echo chamber knows no bounds.
Martyn – Greens 14%?? How?
Hope dies hard.
Ada – Clearly
“The current team is drowning and taking chippy with them”
All I can say is…….. “no great loss”
I arrived in NZ in 1973 and do not recall a time when people were not complaining about the provision of health .It has been a poison chalice for many a politician.
Can the coalition do , course they can . Will it take time . Yes it will . The better the government can make the economy. the more there is for the nice to have like health ,education,roads etc.
I see this coalition will get the economy back to black which I could not see from the last Labour government. I am not a blind follower of National as I voted Labour when Clark was PM. I do not support all their policies but see nothing better .
On a personnal level I would be happy if Luxon was my boss but could not have worked for Ardern or Hipkins.
Get in behind Trev as your preferred boss Luxon says you’re just a bottom feeder.
So then take it from someone who has been here all his life Trevor, I see the opposite and you are wrong. The issue is if Luxon is your boss he would sack you as quick as look at you if he was to save a dollar. he would not look at the business model, just staff numbers. I just don’t get how you see that. He is so much like John Key aka The smiling assassin.
As for your earlier belief the polls show successful National voters happy with the direction we are heading…
you may have gone the early crow…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-and-pm-christopher-luxon-suffer-drop-in-taxpayers-union-curia-poll/OIVZA2NVGVBW3OAM6CMQM7IHJA/
But can we actually believe the polls we still have two more long hard years to put up with the COC.
So much damage done in such a short time.
The Navy ship sinking is a reflection of our country it’s also sinking down the toilet but never fear the rich are near/here and they will put everything right, right!
I’m surprised there is anyone left who votes for Labour or National but well, some people never learn…..
I’m not. I think most people are pretty comfortable in the middle and Labour/National provide that. It’s not as if they’re radically different from each other.
It is true if you want genuine change to the left or right it isn’t going to happen with either of them, despite that they might promise you.
You saying you don’t?
Image could be captioned – Winken, Blinken and Nod.
Or….or, the govt NZ needed and are now delivering on their campaign promises.
Yes, much better Greywarbler, you will thank me later.
Or…or. the worst government in our history.
Yes, much better Tighty Im not Righty, you will thank me later.
Shrink the workforce, shrink the economy and then force the rest into Wellington to rescue businesses you forced into liquidation and receivership. Fucking good work National and the pathetic Willis!
Labour — the party I’ve never been able to vote for for 40 years. Because they think the rich twots, like Musk and Theil, know better than the people.
Lol its basically an internal poll its to conflicted to be taken seriously you can put lipstick and a ribbon on it but its still a pig.
11/10/2024
The National party has taken a big hit in the latest Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll, dropping 4.1 points to 34.9%.
Their drop in support has been Labour’s gain, with the main opposition party up 3.6 points this poll to 30.3%.
Well well well