The manufactured crisis at Kāinga Ora is a trojan horse for privatisation

1. “But jacinda” ..let’s hear all the bullshit responses. At least houses got built despite the ludicrous claims of how many would be. This crooked bunch of a’holes are starting to make Shane Jones blush. And that’s an achievement. If they actually find alternative providers let’s see how much it costs the taxpayer, with no asset to show for it.

   • Jacinda only ever built sandcastles and glasshouses.

2. They also have been doing a large number of refurbishments on older houses bringing them up to the latest standards .My son has been working on these and they were doing 180 a month nation wide which is a good effort at over 2 k per year .Luxon and his razor gang have sunk the ferries and now they are embarking on burning housing and increasing poverty all of which will lift crime and a whole under peforming generation of kids .

3. You do decent good living Catholics a disservice by lumping the slippery dwarf from Dipton in with them. Similarly, the Trojan Horse was well thought out painstaking craftsmanship compared to that glib tobacco boy Bishop’s blatant dumb door-opening to the privatisation of rental housing, and his assumption that we’re stupid enough not see him encouraging instant unsafe slums which are no place for the children of the poor, and inevitably providing more fodder for Bill English’s ghastly social social experiment.

   The traditional hallmark of a Christian has long been the possession of a conscience, but Luxon shows as little evidence of this as he does of any working grey matter between ears seemingly as waxed up as his gleaming big head. Karma will get English if his God doesn’t smote the little squirt first, and his demonising a generation of our young men in order to whip in cheap replacements from Asia, was unforgivable.

   • The Dwarf from Dipton. LMAO

   • When Bill English gave his “as a christian I don’t believe in human rights” response where were these “christians of good conscience”?

   • “The traditional hallmark of a Christian has long been the possession of a conscience,”

     History screams otherwise.

4. Everyone paying over the odds to private slumlords or privatized housing associations, to be crammed in together in no minimum size floor sized shacks in people’s backyards – What ever could go wrong with that, will.

   • Kin ‘el, an edit button would be nice, or at least a warning prompt before you hit ‘post comment’ like – Do you really want to post that with such an obvious error on read back it makes you look like a dopey twat?

   • I’ll make prediction the so-called ‘granny flats’ will turn out to be air b’n’b to our usual shed standard of sleepouts

5. The recent National housing policies have me wondering when they will discover that building houses without a cavity & with dry frame untreated timber will bring down the cost, They will probably come up with some BS argument that they will build square/rectangular boxes, 600 soffit with a hip roof, no windows as a camera & flat screen tv inside is less likely to leak, etc. While you would hope they are not that stupid nothing would surprise me after the last 9 months.

6. You should talk to contractors who work for Kāinga Ora. There are SO many stories about the goings-on that organization. It would make a great target for an investigative journalist.

   A mate of mine is a sparky who installs heat pumps for them. He tells me it’s common for him to install a heat pump and a week later to have to install a new one because the tenant sold the previous one. It’s easy work for him and they don’t query the invoices.

   • citation please andrew ‘my mate down the pub sez’ isn’t actual evidence

   • Well there’s a few investigative journalists looking for work just as of today as it happens but unfortunately they only investigate the right.

   • Yes I have and they tell me it is the contactors that steal most of the stuff you talk of

   • yes I have and Im told its the contractors who are stealing this stuff

   • So no oversight by government into one of their own organizations? Time for a new government Andrew as this never happened under Labour my mate the plummer said.

7. Bishop’s announcement yesterday of the government’s housing plans, accompanied by the usual disgusting demagogy, shows the rulers’ contempt for working people. It’s very much barracks for the proles. Let them come out to work in our factories, drive our trucks, clean our offices, then get back in their hutches, and be grateful for it. As the commentator on the TV One News last night aptly put it, Bishop wouldn’t contemplate his own family living in one of these shoeboxes.

   • Terry It’s invidious social engineering to entrench the “ haves” against the “ have-nots”. Same old.

8. Hell even Bernard Hickey can see that housing NZ was a well run enterprise that any private operator would be pleased to own .In ten years it will be a very profitable enterprise .As any dumb arse will know investments dont always show a profit from day one .

   • and that will ruin it gordon….given there is no I’ll repeat that NO private provision of public services that works and doesn’t gouge the taxpayer…g’wan prove me wrong..darezya

9. Progress on housing in New Zealand by the Coalition,particularly under Chris Bishop,is moving at speed whereas under Labour it stalled on the grid.

   • yes everyone wants to live in a 30 sqm box eh .What a fucken crock now every farmer in the country will be putting a tiny home in each paddock with no need for a permit .Then they will sell it for 500k and call it cheap

   • Gee we were told Labour built and put into the works more State Houses than any NZ government ever.

     So is that the truth or is Bob playing misinformation ‘stalled on the grid’.

     What we do know is National cancelled the construction of 100 State Houses in Rotorua. Those houses would have provided revenue to the government for 100 years, reducing the tax burden on our children, children’s children and children’s children’s children. Luxons supposed to be a business genius and he is destroying the businesses’ asset base. He’s a hostile director.

   • Thanks Bob the Tugger

   • Yes let’s encourage the production of shoe boxes that, up until now at least, the banks won’t give you a loan for. Or at least they require a loan to value ratio that’s beyond many. But of course Ned Nederlander, Dusty Bottoms, and Lucky Day don’t care . They just want their donor types to buy them all so they can continue to fleece tenants or, in the case of any new social housing, ultimately the taxpayer.

   • Incorrect Bob the fibber. I’m at a loss as to why you keep posting such garbage.

   • Absolutely no evidence within your post to support your comment Bob the Labour troll.

10. Martyn
    So there’s no crisis at KO? All is well and going swimmingly?

    • Oh wait don’t tell me. You love spaghetti on pizza. There’s a surprise.

    • Yes it is even though you would rater it was not .Take off that blue blind fold and take a real look .I would rather take Bernard Hickeys assesment over the dawrf dipstick form dipton any day .My son does a mountain of work for them and the numbers are staggering ,or should I say were sunder the last government .History will once again show us the folly of letting a National government anywhere near housing

11. Nobody seems to realise that not many builders actually build unless they have a water tight contract. These builders have lived off others money for so long that the chances of them going to the bank to build spec homes is very unlikely.
    Until someone has the nous to say the old state house system is what we really need to overcome the shortage. Make it so Kaiangaroa buys the land, employs the surveyor, architect ,builders, plumber, electrician, landscaper etc. And cooperates with councils to develop the required infrastructure.
    It is as plain as the nose on my face that free market does not work for social housing.
    Keep the money suckers out of the social services completely.

    • But Tom you can now build 20 houses in the middle of nowhere with no facilities and it will be ok .Hell you can get that tower block on your back section with 30 shoe boxes fast tracked ,just offer up a carton of fags and a cray for Porkie and boom its done

12. 3 decades of National and Labour neoliberalism, mass immigration and housing speculation and what have we got to show for it?

    From being able to afford a 3 bedroom house, on a 1/4 acre section, on a single income, to $600k to $700k shoe box apartments that couples struggle to afford.

    Progress?

    Clearly these policies are failing the average New Zealander, but hey at least we have growing household and government debt, crumbling infrastructure, falling GDP per capita and low productivity to show for it, so let’s keep at it!

    • 100% agree polytickle. Neither large party represents working kiwi citizens.

    • 100% Right On! Well said.

13. Remember; there is no Labour Left left as a politic, what ever that in itself may now be. When it comes to Kiwi politics clarity along with a basic and charmingly vulnerable honesty is considered a weakness. There. Is. No. Labour. Party. Roger did a brilliant job of destroying Labour by pretending he was David Lange’s friend. His friend, for God’s sake. Who could do that to a friend, you might ask? Pig imprisoning torturer Roger Douglas did, that’s who and that’s the Labour Party he left us with. A far right Machiavellian Trojan nag full of greed and liars, a shabby little sterile mongrel wolf wrapped up in a motly sheep skin van seat cover.
    The deeply dangerous consequences of that is that we have no politic. We have instead a matrix of greedy psychopaths doing business with other people’s money, specifically our farmers money. I’m sure @ Countryboy would agree.

14. Those policies may be failing the average New Zealander, but the policies are also definitely enriching the average homeowner as their house price increases over time.

15. and that will ruin it gordon….given there is no I’ll repeat that NO private provision of public services that works and doesn’t gouge the taxpayer…g’wan prove me wrong..darezya

16. Actually it’s far worse than this, because anyone with an ounce of knowledge of how reactionary this government is, knows the real agenda.
    They want to privatise State and Social Housing. Period.
    They will use the report as an excuse to sell of whole sections, clumps, and neighbourhoods to wealthy private landlords and property managers. At anywhere between a dozen and fifty houses at a time. Next will come a voucher system, while the landlord gets taxpayer subsidy.
    This has been the ultra right agenda for two decades, but has been kept under wraps, just quietly mentioned here and there in obscure reports and meetings.
    Problem is, once done, it’ll be fucking hard to reverse.

    • The way to reverse it is to make it unpalatable to the private sector in the first place. If Labour Greens TPM adamantly warn that it will be reversed in a way which causes uncompensated private loss down the track no private investors will take on the risk. Give fair warning that purchasers of State Houses would have them repurchased at the original sale price (so no capital gain) less the government’s lost rental income.

17. The housing problem we have in New Zealand was exacerbated by the Labour Government that is a fact,beyond dispute.Do not employ academics to fix things they know only how to speak in riddles.

18. Could always live in a cave?

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