Kiwis elected a grudge fuck last election during intense post-Covid bitterness.
They are now regretting that grudge fuck.
This Government in a mere 8 months are as popular as puberty blockers at a MAGA rally. The drop of support for this hard right racist climate denying beneficiary bashing Government is unprecedented inside the MMP political timeframe.
Culture war revenge fantasies masquerading as social policy is too conflict driven for the vast majority of Kiwis.
Social media hate algorithms will energise the polarised fringes of ACT and NZF, but the middle recoil in disgust.
What Jacinda’s ‘kindness’ actually did was force all State Departments and Agencies to act with kindness to everyone who used their services.
If an example of unkindness could get to the media, that Department rushed to solve the issue because they knew Jacinda expected kindness.
The first stand Jacinda made was dumping private spy company Thompson and Thompson from having anything to do with the State.
And this kindness mantra worked! Welfare punishment, state housing punishment, IRD actions, sentences, debt issues – every Department of the State was expected to be kind and they were.
An entire generation of people have grown up under 6 years of the State being kind, the new hard right racist climate denying Government now wants to remove any carrot and just use the stick.
To be replaced by? Seriously; do you think Labour, Greens and TPM can get their shit together in the next 2 odd years? Huge rearranging off the deck chairs on that Titanic are required to be electable.
Do Labour have an effective leader on the horizon?
Will the Greens grow up from their tilting at the woke windmill?
Can TPM consider ALL New Zealanders in their policies?
Are we faced with the same predicament as the USA with two stale options?
Labour have 2 candidates for next leader who could turn the ship around. David Parker and Kieran McAnulty. Just got to throw spineless Hipkins and half his caucus overboard first.
The problem is that Labour often have 2 or 3 good people and the rest couldn’t organise a kid’s party. When you add the Greens who are currently chaotic and TPM who are currently mad, it’s not attractive.
Same can be said for NACTFirst except I can’t think of the 2 or 3 good people.
Your descriptions of TPM and the Greens also apply. Mad and Sad.
So they are all sad and bad. I agree.
” Are we faced with the same predicament as the USA with two stale options?”
Yes. Yes, we are.
“Do Labour have an effective leader on the horizon?”
No. Because ‘Labour’ no longer exists and hasn’t done so since roger douglas killed it off back in the late 1980’s to siphon off farmer money and the assets they built and paid for into private, big city pockets.
” Labour, Greens and TPM ” are the same thing. They’re all neo-liberal and they all have the same mandate. ” Get our money then get away with it, while they can.”
Let me be clear. We have no politic. We only have neo-liberalism which is a polite term for a kiwi-as mafia which consists of 14 multi-billionaires, 3118 multi-millionaires and four Australian owned banks stealing our farmers money at a rate of $180.00 a second 24/7/365 which puts them almost ahead of the rest of the world in terms of profit, in fact second only to Canada.
The Press.
NZ banks ‘some of the most profitable in the world’
https://www.thepress.co.nz/business/350094635/nz-banks-some-most-profitable-world
When there are now four foreign owned banks operating in AO/NZ reportedly being the second most profitable in the world along side 14 multi-billionaires, and 3118 multi-millionaires each with a starting figure of $50million net in a country with a tax paying population of 3 million of a total population of 5.2 million where the primary industry is 50 thousand farmers plus 600,000 living in dire hardship with 200,000 kids living in poverty you must surely realise there’s dodgy, dodgy shit going down.
Until we awesome Kiwi’s begin to comprehend that, it is the collective [We] who are the real power here and not some flash, smelly cunt with a portfolio and a 280 kph super car running up the K’s in a 50 kph area we’ll continue to get fucked without the kissing.
Trust me. A very public royal commission of inquiry up and into every fascet of our politic and our economy would be a must watch of a damp Sunday afternoon I can fucking promise you. Aye boys?
I think it would be riveting high drama and at the end we would have been riveted to our old couches if lucky enough to have them. Seeing and hearing it all should be a must for Kiwis and enforced by law, after the police and armed forces have also been forced to watch it. Police etc used to study pornography to understand that, this would be the next shockwave up for empty, or previously simple minds.
Maori are the original “New Zealanders” of course TPM will consider NZers
Millions of New Zealander’s “born of this land” consider themselves as original New Zealander’s. Some go back 15 and more generations. Even myself as a Tauiwi, here for 60 years, have now produced four generations off “born of this land” New Zealander’s.
And it is with a great pride that the great grandchildren include “tangata whenua”.
So are there two classes of New Zeaalnder’s? Originals versus everyone else? Is one grand child more “original” than the other?
Ah, yes the kindness of not wanting insane housing costs to come down; she’s just another neoliberal.,
She was a one-woman band making all the noises was she Castro? You must be cube-shaped.
She wasn’t as clever as you make out. This is how you do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi73fHtSdAA
Crippling government debt, skyrocketing houses prices, high inflation – these were all acts of Kindness?
And unfettered vindictiveness will solve these problems? Please explain how.
The question is not what this current government is doing, it is what a Labour/Greens/TPM government will do in 2 years time..
What will they do that could not have been done over the 6 years of them being on the treasury benches (without TPM)?
What will Labour lead with and what will they enact. For without a plan of action they will not win the race to be primary party at the next election and able to carry the Greens and TPM with them. There is no Ardern factor to rally around this time.
I note that I asked a question and you answered with a question that i did not ask, perhaps you could try answering the original question?
You call it vindictive, others may call it acting responsibly to the current situation. I don’t think current policies are vindictive. I simply see the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction from where Labour/Greens had the weight of their endouvours (scant as they were). Somehow we never get common sense solutions. The pendulum never rests in the middle where the majority of tax payers are funding the whole rotten shebang we have for politics, politicians and the stater hangers on called the PMC.
If National/ACT/NZF are only to last one term, the question has to be asked what will Labour/Greens/TPM bring to the table?
I would suggest not much UNLESS the get their fingers out of the proverbial deep hole and come up with policies the greater public can identify with. They will not be elected otherwise for the three reasons I listed previously.
Most importantly I want to know how the education system is going to benefit the community and how productivity can be raised to generate a greater tax take for all those “nice to have” social expenditure.
Factually incorrect Ada, see Jase post below. I have no issues with opinions like yours Ada, after all, they’re just opinions and not facts, just like Bob the firsts.
Perhaps you should stick to using one name and then we can take you seriously. Cheers.
Ah, attack the messenger … despite your statement having no evidence to back it up what so ever.
Another new name for Bob the first also known as John.
Nah stick to telling lies Ada you’re brilliant at it.
Why this Government will only serve one term – The Jacinda Kindness Feedback shockwave
Why this government will serve two terms – The Hipkins cruelty shockwave overwhelmed the Jacinda Kindness wave
Govt debt was NOT “crippling”. NZ debt to GDP had us well below the OECD average, and way way lower than Australia, UK and USA. This “mountain of debt” bull dust is just NAct campaign rhetoric for the hard-of-understanding and easily led.
Price inflation for houses and other goods/services is not unique to NZ. It stems from massive wealth accumulation in the wrong hands and corporate price gouging. The answer is NOT hard line neoliberalism and punishing workers, which as we are seeing (and the sudden surge in emigration across the Tasman confirms) is making NZ unliveable.
Only now are voters realising the actual difference between Labour (& nobody here is saying they’re perfect) and a bunch of far right ideologues willing to sink the country to maintain the wealth of their donors.
So quit with the election slogans. They don’t wash any more in the face of evidence.
I agree. Well said Jase
“ The only power that ordinary people really have in response is taxation. It’s the only thing you can do. It’s the only power that you have. You have a vote and you have the power, theoretically, to tax the rich. The only protection that you have. If you look at most of history there is a small, incredibly rich elite ruling over a vast majority of incredibly impoverished people . And that is the present truth in most of the world. And it was true in this country for most of history. We stopped that for a period of time because we decided: no! we’re going to make the rich pay first level of taxes, and we’re going to use that money to allow ordinary people to have housing and healthcare and food and education.
We were only able to achieve that because of high levels of taxation of the very rich. And then in the eighties we lost the argument. And in doing that, we lost the only weapon that the poor and ordinary have ever had to protect themselves from the rich. Plus a government willing to implement those taxes. “
Gary’s Economics
Nice Jay11 – I follow Gary Stephenson as well. If you can wrap you head around it, MMT is worth a look – check out economist Warren Mosler. MMT is a bit of a mind f*ck but starts with the simple question – what comes first – the payment of taxes or the issuance of currency with which to pay those taxes? If you don’t know the answer to that question try this one – can you pay taxes in a currency if the currency has never been issued by a government?
Government deficit is not debt because the government has it’s own bank and controls the money supply – it issues new currency as needed to provision the country and uses taxation to control the money supply and inflation – not to pay for government expenses. Ask anyone who does book-keeping or understands double entry accounting if you’re not sure about this.
New currency contributes to growth and assets in the real economy. This is why Nicola Willis is ‘borrowing’ (printing) $16 Billion – that means she will continue to provide assets into the real economy rather than cutting spending or raising taxes to reduce that $16 billion ‘deficit’ to zero. She is a Keynesian because it is how the actual economy works regardless of your political disposition or chosen economic mythology. The private and public sectors are symbiotically linked together – and the private sector does not exist without a government that continuously issues new fiat currency in line with population and economic growth.
(Government bonds and currency exchange value do play a role in the economy of course, but government bonds do not provision the state in the first instance – this is done by the reserve bank).
And here in NZ we can see this actually playing out in real time:
1. Building companies in Auckland are now concerned because 3000 consented homes that Kianga Ora was going to build have been put on hold and many building companies will reduce investment and jobs or dissolve if the projects are cancelled.
2. Nursing graduates are facing the prospect of not getting places in the public health system due to freezes and slow downs in new hires.
3. NGO’s across the country, working in social care are facing potential defunding in July. Potentially thousands of social and care workers will become unemployed.
4. Payments made to the intellectually disabled who work have been dropped. These payments were made to top up their pay to the minimum wage. That top up has been stopped. WTF? How on earth did someone make that decision? Did they come from the Taxpayers Union? Seriously – who sat down and thought that was a good move. I believe in a just Universe so I am assured that those responsible will repent.
5. Thousands (and more to come) of public sector workers all paying bills, mortgages and spending into the economy. Multiply the number public servants fired by the average NZ salary – that is money that has literally been removed the economy overnight. That will be sending a chill throughout the wider economy in NZ that we have yet to see fully play out.
Those are ordinary Kiwi’s right now experiencing a contracting money supply – removal of benefits, removal of public sector salaries, cancelling of projects. Gone – all assets in the real economy – that were and would have kept on buying products and services etc. Removed.
But what about the economic future of the next generation?
How much future investment, employment and productivity growth has been lost due to the cancellation of the $16 Billion NI Hydro project, the upgrades to the Inter Island Ferries and Three Waters.
All of those projects would have drawn in huge amounts of private sector investment in construction and engineering – not too mention the supply chain and supporting business.
This would have bolstered and grown existing NZ industries, added new ones and provided apprenticeship and training opportunities for young people. And it would have equipped the nation, not just with energy and infrastructure, but a skilled workforce and business sector.
NZ business’ employing NZ workers and paying NZ taxes – gone, removed from the future completely.
The loss of potential economic growth and transformative future facing infrastructure not to mention the loss of high paying construction and engineering work and supporting business activity will go down as one of the most idiotic economic decisions in NZ history.
The current government will want to offer more tax cuts at the next election and will want to reduce spending further but I suspect (hope) will be stopped by wiser Keynesian heads. Without economic growth they won’t be able to offer tax cuts and without increased government spending (deficit) they will only get anemic growth at best. (De-regulation may provide some growth but it will be poor quality and low productivity).
I predict higher then currently planned government deficits before the next election to stimulate growth and enable tax cuts.
Because Keynes and MMT are right – economic reality wins in the end.
Please learn the art of brevity. No-one will read your post.
If this following exchange is any indication of the lack of introspection inside the Labour Party of why Labour lost the last election, and the non-vote holds up, then a National government are guaranteed a second term.
Clive June 21, 2024 At 11:09 pm
A thousand poxes on the cunts that voted these arseholes into govt
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Pat O’Dea, June 22, 2024 At 8:29 am
“There is no such thing as bad soldiers, only bad generals” Napoleon….
Geoffrey Lye June 22, 2024 At 9:11 am
Go further a Million poxies on the cunts and the 750,000 that couldn’t be arsed to vote.
If hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders couldn’t be “arsed to vote” it was because it has never made any material difference in their lives.
Rather than bitterly attacking voters and non-voters the Labour Party needs to come up with some hard hitting policy that will materially improve people’s lives and demand that their leaders and MPs implement it.
The Nats have given landlords a huge tax break on the grounds that this would act as an incentive to landlords to lower rents. It hasn’t.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new-zealand-among-the-most-expensive-places-to-rent-in-the-world/K6VX6ZRYN5CN7HWF4V7OK673MU/?
If the purpose of gifting $millions in tax relief to landlords was as a carrot to lower rents and it hasn’t worked then Labour need to win the argument that the stick is in order.
Labour needs to promise on coming to office that they will immediately enact a rent freeze and a moratorium on evictions.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/436727/renters-suffer-from-anxiety-sickness-from-unjust-evictions-study
A rent freeze will have a exodus of landlords and with not enough state run housing available you have the next disaster unfolding. Don’t always bang on about rent freezes . The market dictates the asking price.
Detlev June 23, 2024 At 3:08 pm>
A rent freeze will have a exodus of landlords…….
Which is the reason that a rent freeze must be paired with a moratorium on evictions.
The market dictates the asking prince only if we let it.
What I was hearing on the ground with people I work with was not woke shit but law’n’order – which was what the MSM was pushing hard-, housing, rents and rental insecurity and work . So this NACT NZ gets in and that is STILL what they are talking about except inflation’s been added to that along with just a feeling that the govt is meaner. Obviously people who voted for parties saying they were going to solve those things, and appear to have done nothing worthwhile are not going to be happy – could be why the scramble over cancer drugs.
This country is fucked due tp 3 years of price gouging by national party business owners who hiked prices for no reason .The Te Kuiti rail over bridge is a prime example .Pre covid the cost was a stagering 1 million .6 months into covid the price was increased to 2.3 mill ,for what reason, other than gouging ,was never made public .
Now Luxon has taken the reigns and we are quickly sinking into a massive shit hole .And all he can do is slag NZ at every chance he can .
Remember all those massive record profits companies were making 2 years ago ?what happened to all that cash .
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