The real power struggle in NZ isn’t Left vs Right, it’s between the Professional Managerial Class Consultants vs a self serving Public Service

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The real power struggle in NZ isn’t Left vs Right, it’s between the Professional Managerial Class Corporate Consultants who influence policy to maintain their dominance and profit margins vs the self serving Public Service wanting to spend taxpayer money on their latest glass palace.

The Politicians are merely a masquerade of democracy to ensure participation that generates legitimacy, but the real power is between the Corporate Consultants who influence all policy to keep NZ deregulated and the self serving Public Service who are in it for their own fiefdoms.

The only chance any truly progressive movement gets in NZ politics is to ram your changes through in the first 100 days of any new Government.

That stops the self serving Public Service from stymieing your agenda and it stops the corporates from influencing it.

If we want true progressive policy to tax the rich and remove costs from peoples lives, it needs to be rammed through in the first 100 days or it won’t happen.

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That’s why Labour have been so feckless and useless, they had no 100 day plan in 2017 and they didn’t expect to win an MMP majority in 2020.

They effectively became captured b y the self serving Public Service and the Corporate Consultants.

A Labour/Green minority Government with Supply and Confidence from the Māori Party with a clear legislative agenda for the first 100 days is the only way we will see the State gain the revenue to fund the social and physical infrastructure we desperately need.

 

 

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75 COMMENTS

    • It is never the fault of the National and Act MP’s, ex National ministers and their very, very, wealthy corporate donors, apparently…

    • They’re interchangeable puppets for the corporate donors, barely discernable from the Tory front bench marionettes. If rank-and-file members were truly selecting the leader and the candidates, the main parties would look completely different.

    • Don’t be childish Ada.. To not be utterly aware of what the Key government, with the full cooperation of those same
      “public servants” did to NZs ability to feed itself, clothe itself, heal itself, and make our own decisions based on our own philosophical outlook, rather than being stooges for the lunatics that “rule the world”…
      Your willful, and utter ignorance regarding just how comprehensively the Key cabal undermined our sovereignty and ability to be independent is sadly typical of what this country has descended to since 2008… I am only here under sufferance as I got trapped here as a result of a family issue that forced me to come across two weeks before NZ went into lockdown..
      Since then, I have not seen anything that would induce me not to leave the second I can get the money together… Not so easy as it sounds as. regardless of the huge jobs I’ve been on as a boilermaker/welder around the world, I can’t get the petty bureaucrats infesting employment agencies to even answer my calls, while the resumption of replacing kiwis with under skilled, but cheap imported labour… If people want a labour party that is worth more than a small tin of goat pellets, then get of your flabby arses and get involved!!! Prove to me that NZs “best and smartest” haven’t all gone to a better place…
      Are we that independent little country that used to pride itself on being virtually self sufficient, or are we happy to now be dependent on outside interests just to feed ourselves? I am deeply ashamed of what I have come back to, and so should you all for not only letting it happen, but for getting up on your hind legs and cheering for it… That defines utter stupidity to an elite level… BTW, NZ has taken the “donkey tail” which is the symbol of recognition the thickest race on the planet retains… The Irish are truly grateful to NZ right now, and wish us a long reign…

      • Whose philosophical outlook are you representing, and how many votes are behind you.

        The airports are now open – the world is yours to travel and work in as a skilled welder/boilermaker.

        • His philosophical outlook is his own, Aggie, and more independent thinkers are what this country needs, whether we agree with them or not. Nor does everybody have proceeds from highly paid partners to cushion their lives. There are persons who have to find jobs, generate income, working for their living before blithely hopping onto aeroplanes.

      • Fabulous description of the Labour Government and it’s shrinking support base
        stefan.Thanks for that,I wish you well as you prepare to leave.

  1. I think you’re being harsh on Willie. He achieved more than he ever dreamt of, none of which was even campaigned on! How about that? Otherwise Labour Green had no competent people with which to put through their wishlist, barring Kelvin Davis who has delivered par excellence on prisoner reduction! 100 days or 10000 days, makes no difference!

    • X-ray. If Davis wants to empty prisons, then he’s an idiot being complicit in banishing the Commissioner for Children. Childhood sets the pathway which, more than almost anything else, leads to prisons, and why independent well-qualified commissioners were banished, in favour of faceless public servants, defies rational explanation. Governments which protect themselves more than the persons they’re meant to represent, deserve to fail.

    • So you are OK with US style prisons then? Locking people up in their own filth for 23 hours day in a cell with 5 others, or allowing gang factions in prisons to beat, stab and rape weaker prisoners. Or withholding medical treatment/medication?

      Who cares as long as those filthy brown people are locked up, and you can walk the streets without seeing a ‘filthy darkie’.

  2. The growth of the ‘PMC/consultancy complex’ is due to the increase in numbers and reach of government regulations and in politicians’ desire to have greater control over people’s lives – for the people’s own good, of course.

    You can’t have a strong, caring, and protective State without a lot of PMC people to oversee it all, and consultants to design it.

    • What is wrong with a caring protective state?

      Would you rather have a state that is just police, army and prisons? Or a US style welfare state? Or US style health care?

      Because it seems you want to get rid of public health, welfare, state housing, workers protections, environmental laws, and just have a dog eat dog, winner takes all society.

      • Millsy, you make my point but from the other direction – you can’t have an effective state without an effective PMC, and lots of them.

        And you shouldn’t make allegations about what you believe other people want, based on your own fears – doing that is a sign of having severe depression.

        • Ada. The milk of human kindness may be an alien concept to you, but even so, walloping Millsy for your cavalier diagnosis of his mental condition is obnoxious, arrogant, silly, and cruel. You shouldn’t keep trying to silence other people’s voices, they’re just as entitled to be idiotic as you are.

  3. Let’s have a short history lesson.
    Starting with Helen Clark, who ruled the Labour Party by dividing it against itself, pitting the unionists against the gays against the feminists against the marxists etc. The result was a broken and divided party once she departed. So, broken in fact that they couldn’t even have proper internal policy debates. Thus, they had no real policies other than an uninformed and idealistic wish list.
    Then Winson came knocking and they formed a government with no real policy foundation. Just brain farts that were doomed to fail eventually. For a while the Christchurch massacre and Covid provided cover, eventually they were bound to be exposed.
    So, the reason for the fortune spent on consultants and the massive expansion of a flaccid and self-serving public service is because this government had no real policy platform from the very start.

    • Andrew. Interesting what you say about Helen Clark. Even her media trainers couldn’t make her palatable or less hubristic, but it seemed to me she emasculated the Labour Party, and this had, or has had, a lasting effect. Her apparently mentoring the current Wellington mayor, and heaven knows who else, is regrettable; Wellington isn’t her patch; IMO, she’s as big a fool as zealots inevitably are, if they fail to realise what they may learn from the hands which they refuse to touch.

      • I hear what you’re saying as part of her post government legacy, but I certainly do miss her governments competence, achievements and control. Light years from this Labour administration!

        • She acheived nothing. She didn’t reverse benefit cuts, reduce power bills, or increase state housing.

          • Millsy. The power bills weren’t as high then as they are now. Winter subsidies are government’s acknowledgement that they’re unreasonably high, and of course, the subsidies generate greater profit for the rapacious electricity companies.

            • No, they were high back then. I was there. It directly stems from privatisation and deregulation of power. Something you support.

              However you will probably scream blue murder if the government did anything about it.

      • The part I missed in my comment above was that in order to retain absolute control, she white-anted or pushed out anyone who could possibly challenge her for the PM role. So, her legacy was an overall loss of competence within the party. That Ardern became PM is a telling point: Prior to landing that job she’d never held a ministerial warrant nor even put together a successful private member’s bill.

        As X Ray mentions her government was at least competent, but I suspect that competence was most her and the infamous H2 making all the decisions.

  4. The real struggle is between the haves that would like to continue their nice lifestyle and the have nots who should just give up eating meating, driving cars, having aspirations, consider sex work as work lest you get stood down for refusing an empowering work, ditto for surrogacy or paid for egg extraction, that should castrate and sterilize their kids in the name of kindness and transeuphoria ™, that need to understand that if they don’t tighten their belts that it would be the middle class (which we no longer have) and so on and so on.
    You can call them what ever you want,
    Marx called them Das Kapital, and the rest of us are Das Lumpenproletariat. Throw in a few Mao inspired struggle sessions and public cancelations for wrong think and you find this is where we are at today. No matter if you throw you hat behind blue or red, they are both the colors of das Kapital and neither will come to your rescue.
    Maybe its time to leave the house and meet the neighbors and communities again. Resilience and survival builds horizontally, not top down. Or get your ubi, your state allocated chicken cage and your 5 km radius in which you can move about freely.

    • At least its an income and roof over your head. Do are you really that comfortable with homelessness and poverty in this country.

      And you are the one who wants the poor to tighten their belt.

    • There’s a lot to unpack here, RB. What about Karl Marx and Engels’ proletariat, the exploited class? Those of us not behind bars or with an ankle bracelet, or simply not living on the good luck of not being busted, work our arses off for the man, in the lingo, forced to accept meager wages in return for operating the means of production, which belong to the class of business owners. The (really) rich fucks. But the promise of capitalism is that anyone, lumpenproletariat or proletariat, can aspire to a meagre wealth by comparison, but at times, quite considerable wealth. Ask the footy stars. And no disrespect to them.

      • I know my class, i dont’ think you know yours.
        ” Marx called them Das Kapital, and the rest of us are Das Lumpenproletariat.”

        Das Kapital in NZ is owned by Labourites, Nationalistas, Greenies, TPMers and Actoids. and if they don’t outright own it they work for it.
        Das Lumprenproletariat – the lowest of the low – lumpen meaning rag – the kind of people Kaethe Kollwitz depicted in their paintings about the Miners Plight in Germany , is us, the working stiff, the one that can not opt out of taxes by restructuring their wealth into business owned assets that they merely profit and benefit of, the ones that die without healthcare cause underfunded by the left and the right, the ones that get rudimentry education cause we don’t want the unwashed masses to educated and besides in our future sex/porn economy no one needs to be literate to suck 50 dicks a day for rent, we have no other offerings then our working power and even that only if and when they need it.
        Left and right are the same thing of the same coin albeit in different colors. And currently neither one is fit for the new world that was created for us over the last 4+ years.
        And the working stiff, the tax payer, the producer, the maker, even the violent rapy murderous idiot in prison or on home d, needs to wake the fuck up.
        It is a have against not haves. Which one are you?
        https://spartacus-educational.com/ARTkollwitz.htm

        • I’m a corporate giant with inherited wealth.
          I’m a landlord with money in the bank and three cars the garage.
          I’m a barber with a mortgage. I’m a ram raider with nothing.
          I’m on the continuum.

  5. New Zealand is simply a relatively poor country compared to other OECD nations (remember that “wealth” can only come from some sort of productivity surplus compared to others that you can exploit so that you can import goods you can’t make yourself at zero net cost to those buying it), that likes to moonlight as being “rich” towards its own population. We all need to live “within our means”, but for some reason the Government never seems to think they do (since the taxpayer is some sort of bottomless pit of “revenue”).
    The fact is we need to slash health, sport, arts and even education expenditure – none of these are really an investment in anything that will increase the wealth of the country. Health expenditure technically is only beneficial (and yes, I’m being deliberately super harsh and exaggerating with this point) if it results in an outcome that the patient can ultimately contribute to society after a set amount of care. Education is slightly an edge case, but teaching kids social studies and woke ideology is waste of their time and our money.
    Tax money should be directed at infrastructure and projects that provide genuine cost savings to the taxpayer that is funding everything. A coal to fuel plant using Manapouri hydro so we can be independent of petrol/diesel prices would be a good idea. Similarly a small scale pharma project so we are no longer beholden to overseas big-pharma grifters (like Pfizer) for basic medical supplies would be a good idea too imo.

    • Wow, so you do want US style healthcare imposed on this country. Showing your true colours now boy. I suppose you think we are too poor to house people and you think that should just live in their cars and love it

  6. There is nothing that Labour want to achieve the first 100 days that they couldn’t have achieved in the last 900 days.

  7. ” They effectively became captured by the self serving Public Service and the Corporate Consultants. ”

    Bomber they were captured years ago.

    If they really believed in even unregulated capitalism , principles and had real working people representing them and the grassroots members of the party who decide policy in the interests of the people not being protected or represented now then the ” public ” service which is not a service at all and corporate consultants ( who have a new recruit in the form of a grocery commissioner that the government appointed and will be on a generous package to give the illusion something is being done about the grocery cabal when its actually doing nothing to rein in the power of these parasites ) then we would not be having this conversation.

    Bomber it is about left and right if we actually had a left that historically stood against the worst ravages of the capitalist system like they did in 1916 and formed the NZLP.

    1984 saw the end of left and right with the free market gaining control. Jim Anderton did his best but in the end even he after all the bluster , great rousing speeches and entertainment he folded and accepted the inevitable forming the Progressives to provide Helen and Michael extra support to keep Brash and Crosby Textor from breaching the front line. But no real change to the status quo but he got Kiwibank through and Laila’s maternity leave which were left leaning policies that they had to fight the NZLP to adopt !!!
    The point is they should never of had to fight in the first place !

    The two main parties are declining year by year as they simply have no answers to the carnage unregulated capitalism is doing because they are totally compromised.

    At least TMP has made a stand with regards to the current economic orthodoxy and its tax policy will be finally on a campaign agenda. Its a start by beginning the debate and bringing to the new generation coming through. Just as Bernie did in 2016 and is continuing to do all over the states and despite the deliberate destruction of Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K the seed was planted with a new movement beginning over there.

    A lot of greedy people have made their fortunes and continue to ride on the backs of so many in Aotearoa NZ.

    The gravy train will inevitably end.

  8. You know Labour never planned to do anything truly progressive because they are an integral part of the Neo-liberal machine, a slightly different flavor to give the illusion of choice.

    National or Labour? Watties or Oak? Well, you peasants are only getting baked beans for dinner, you have a choice which, but they are both made in the same factory. Neo-liberalism marches on into a brighter future, but it’s not for you, it never was.

  9. ” They effectively became captured by the self serving Public Service and the Corporate Consultants. ”

    Bomber they were captured years ago.

    If they really believed in even unregulated capitalism , principles and had real working people representing them and the grassroots members of the party who decide policy in the interests of the people not being protected or represented now then the ” public ” service which is not a service at all and corporate consultants ( who have a new recruit in the form of a grocery commissioner that the government appointed and will be on a generous package to give the illusion something is being done about the grocery cabal when its actually doing nothing to rein in the power of these parasites ) then we would not be having this conversation.

    Bomber it is about left and right if we actually had a left that historically stood against the worst ravages of the capitalist system like they did in 1916 and formed the NZLP.

    1984 saw the end of left and right with the free market gaining control. Jim Anderton did his best but in the end even he after all the bluster , great rousing speeches and entertainment he folded and accepted the inevitable forming the Progressives to provide Helen and Michael extra support to keep Brash and Crosby Textor from breaching the front line. But no real change to the status quo but he got Kiwibank through and Laila’s maternity leave which were left leaning policies that they had to fight the NZLP to adopt !!!
    The point is they should never should of had to fight in the first place !

    The two main parties are declining year by year as they simply have no answers to the carnage unregulated capitalism is doing because they are totally compromised.

    At least TMP has made a stand with regards to the current economic orthodoxy and its tax policy will be finally on a campaign agenda. Its a start by beginning the debate and bringing it to the new generation coming through. Just as Bernie did in 2016 and is continuing to do all over the states and despite the deliberate destruction of Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K the seed was planted with a new movement beginning over there.

    A lot of greedy people have made their fortunes and continue to ride on the backs of so many in Aotearoa NZ.

    The gravy train will inevitably end.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/494961/poverty-stricken-households-penalised-with-extra-fees-after-their-power-is-cut-off

    https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2023/07/27/a-group-wants-to-form-a-new-party-to-transform-politics-after-keir-starmers-betrayal-of-the-left/

    UK Labour is a scary place for a lot of people.
    https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2023/07/30/emma-dent-coad-labour/

  10. Wow! You’re getting very, very, very, very close to the rude truth @ MB.
    Wow! I think this feeling I feel is called excitement… Wow!
    All we have to comprehend now, is, who’s literal and actual primary-money is it? Could it be agrarian?
    Yea, I know. Non agrarian people work hard in primary, and non-primary industries and jobs, and are increasingly expected to work ever harder by the mutual abusers of those same primary, and secondary, industries.
    Have you noticed that simple truth? That the more we’re expected to tighten our belts while we must work harder, there always seems to be yet another multi-billionaire or multi millionaire pop up out of nowhere. Funny that.
    Politically, AO/NZ, is like an alternate reality. Perhaps all democracies are, but fuck them. I don’t care about them. ( * Having written that, have you seen what’s been going on in the U$A right now? OMG! ) ( Face-fan)
    Below our pavlova and jokey black-singlet and Red Band gumboot facade there’s a quagmire of greed and grandstanding arrogance. Our rich are a grotesque population of tacky little Gollum’s trying to out flank each other with ever greater crooked scams and schemes to impress each other’s ego’s not to mention other unsavoury pastimes Aye Boys? Wee jimmy wallace: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wallace_(businessman)
    Auckland’s a prime, logical fallacy example of that, where-as Mataura, a secondary industry hub, is square in the middle of some of the richest farm lands left in the world, isn’t.
    And that’s why Labour and national became, and now they must remain, the same thing. I would go so far as to write they’er the Kiwi Mafia.
    There’s one single thing, however, that’ll keep the useless rich and their lazy clones awake on their 1000 thread count Egyptian cotton sheets as the cold sweats trickle down their fashionably freshly waxed perineum’s is if our farmers ( Primary Industry ) and their service labour force ( Secondary industry ) came to understand that they were being manipulated and exploited for the sole purpose delivering yet more wealth to the billionaires and millionaires while the trickle down from that is societal hardship which equals control. Aye Boys?
    roger douglas was supplanted into Labour with the sole purpose of parasitising Labour into becoming a National Party clone.
    roger spent two terms as Labour’s finance minister and groomed his friend, David Lange, into trusting him, the little worm, who wriggled and writhed his way into our innocent and **ignorant minds. ** Ignorance isn’t a fault as such. It’s just that bit between not knowing and enlightenment. The word ‘ignorant’ is often used by manipulative gaslighters to infer stupidity or of lacking intelligence. Ignorance is simply not knowing. There’s a critical difference between the two.
    * Check this out.
    That North Carolina Democrat who suddenly switched parties was a GOP plant
    https://boingboing.net/2023/08/01/that-north-carolina-democrat-who-suddenly-switched-parties-was-a-gop-plant.html
    I’ve always maintained the roger douglas was a National Party plant. He crawled, or was he deposited, into labour to strike at us while we were off guard. We were off-guard in our beautiful Aotearoa / New Zealand because we were prosperous and happy. We were a happy lot freshly out of good times and heading into better times and that fucking rat sold us out. Roger stabbed Lange in the back after he gathered about him is cronies in caucus and set about to give our wealth, joy and security to now 14 multi-billionaires, 3118 multi-millionaires with individual wealth in excess of $50 million EACH then he opened the doors to four now foreign owned banks who conned you into indescribably ridiculous lending leveraged against modest houses, just to get you paying $180.00 a fucking second in their net profits 24/7/365 and now, when they say jump, you ask how high? You should say “FUCK YOU! “
    A two term Labour finance minister introduces the most destructive and divisive policies every conceived and our AO/NZ’s floundered ever since.
    And now, roger rat’s trying to distance himself from the crime scene with his pathetic wheedling and outright lies.
    Robin Williams said once and I paraphrase “ Did you know, scientists are using lawyers [and politicians] in lab tests now? They discovered there are some things even rats won’t do. “
    Solution: An independent of the governor general and very, very public royal commission of inquiry.
    I promise you, there would be revelations that’d blow your eyebrows off.

  11. Who knows that famous Picasso called ‘Guernica’. Look it up folks. It’s a portrait of a Labour/Green minority Government with Supply and Confidence from the Māori Party.

    • Yeah, because being ‘bombed’ with free healthcare, education, housing for everyone and high wages and conditions, for all is evil.

      If you had your way, wages will be slashed, health and education privatised and people be forced to live in their cars. No one will have any money, because they will pay every cent to landlords and power companies, and services that are charged the earth for.

  12. Money rules, nothing else. Trick is to find out whether the problem here is money-power-related or super dumb-arse politics.

  13. And as for Public Services, David Seymour can start sharpening his axe and deal to as many departments as he sees fit. Here’s some motivation for him straight from the news: “Public service bosses called in as Government accounts plunge deeper into the red”.

  14. Engel, hart soul art, human grasp. social, who you say knowing/island, how shallow, your isolated uncaring humanity care.

  15. They! thought the prefect,, eh they missed the BUS,, THESE FARM FENCE WIRED EGITS shall we be carring, outside their corporations uncaring mind wash, profit us our profit,, bomber, trar them appart.who breath eh breath, pin number, your breah.

  16. Harm , not, History, Jim Knox, leader of the LABOUR Union party of New Zealand, walking down wellinton manners mall. with a t bone steak.. saying join the union,, you can buy one of these. Truth, who you. truth.

  17. Yeh Mulldoon, wis giving Knock, words,, liked that todays National clown in our parliament, fool see, that welly east eh! Seatoun, eh come, here understand;

  18. Bomber, how them brain dead fucks, understand humanity socialism. Bomber,no need, these fuckers farm fence get now to control, political rrevolution new zealand,, farm fence protection,, care, fuck care green, dont publish, slauchter care socialist,, all those egit who rubbish let them

  19. Shall there shallow city, control profit, exploit say,, us our farm fence city bank controlled say.
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  20. Who, you, government, care, labour exploit, eh!, social thought, care knowing,, who these road workers, talking about China, who these, rice hand feed.

  21. Bomber, your leftie 100 day agenda is never going to happen even if they were to get back in. They are still ideologically captured above all else.

  22. Oh you are listing the PMC KPIs. The rub is which way the KPI is meant to move? PMC manage for increased beneficiary debt, reduced state housing, increased electricity prices.

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