The lesson from Sandringham Dairy murder is to not confront violent desperate criminals

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Dairy stabbing: Man accused of alleged murder was deported from Australia this year

The man accused of murdering a Sandringham dairy worker was deported from Australia earlier this year, the Herald on Sunday understands.

After he was deported, he wound up in emergency housing in South Auckland.

The grounds for his deportation from Australia cannot be reported for legal reasons.

The man, 34, is accused of killing dairy worker Janak Patel on Wednesday night at the Rose Cottage Superette in Fowlds Ave, Sandringham. The newly married man was working in the shop while its owners were out of the country. He suffered stab wounds and died shortly after calling for emergency help.

The tragic death of a Dairy owner in Sandringham has become a lightening rod for migrant communities sick of being the punching bag for NZs social problems and violent youth crime wave.

That anger is being fed by the Right attempting to sell a mad max apocalyptic nightmare created by a ‘soft on crime’ Labour Party.

The death of anyone on the job is bad enough, that it was committed by a returned 501 in the PMs own electorate has become emblematic of a sense of lawlessness promoted by  crime heavy clickbait news who has a ratings bonanza in this grief, sorrow and anger.

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It’s funny watching people who are the first to blame the media for spreading Covid fear, cheering them on for spreading Youth Crime fear.

The murder in Sandringham is not evidence of Jacinda being ‘soft on crime’, it is a harsh lesson to not confront desperate and violent criminals.

It is not worth the loss of life when these events occur, pursuing the criminal and confronting him outside the shop and 100 meters down the road is the last thing business owners should do.

Manufacturing this into a case against the Government is beneath the dignity of the moment.

Claims that the PM and Police Minister should do a shift at a dairy are inane and playing footage to the PM as The AM Show did and demanding a response is feeding a media frenzy who are twisting a tragedy into a political football.

While this criminal was a deported 501, the wider issue of youth ram raiders has been the catalyst for this media attention.

The number of serious repeat ram raiders is about 100, 80% of whom are already known to welfare agencies who are the kids from John Key’s draconian welfare reforms that saw kids in cars, state house tenants thrown onto the street for wrongful meth testing and whose parents were incarcerated in our private prison industry.

How will more draconian policies fix the problems the last set of draconian policies created?

There is 30% of the electorate who have been frightened, angered and disgusted by the never ending media shock diet of crime news – who are old testament eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth justice types – who will always vote for suffering and punishment.

Leaders speak to the angels of our better nature, not invoke their wrath.

This is not the time for knee jerk get tough on crime stunts.

 

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75 COMMENTS

  1. I’d like to take a sidebar to note that robbing a dairy in Raiders sweats in the current political climate is the height of comedy.

  2. A hundred. A hundred little shits are paralysing the nation? Take them off the streets as soon as they commit another offence. Confine them.
    Then what to do? Address the various social deficits Martyn goes on about. No, not adult prisons. Not camps to do parade drill while morons scream at you. Address educational deficits, drug and alcohol problems.
    But keep them locked away until these matters are addressed.

    • Locked away where? We’ve neglected capacity – let alone recidivism issues – for adults, so where pray tell do we lock up 10yr olds? (I suppose we could identify a few tax evaders and seize some mansions – but we’ll need builders to renovate them for the purpose, as well as guards, psychologists, and teachers.)

    • The Sandringham murder and robbery was not carried out by ‘little shits’, those charged are full grown adults. Also, how can increased punishment for youth offenders work on 501’s?
      Calls for increased sentences are as meaningless as the calls for the ‘goverment’ to administer the justice of the offenders, in Ao/NZ that is the roll of the Police, Courts, and Corrections.
      The question that needs to be asked is ‘if Janak Patel had called the Police immediately would they have responded urgently, or would it have been put in the to-do file?’

      • I’m assuming you understand your last sentence was rhetorical. What is of more import will be the individual’s behavior since arriving in the country and if said individual was on bail or had jail time commuted in previous cases’ up to the courts.

    • Yes John, back to the future , in this day and age all the NACTS want is to lock em up and throw away the key. A recipe for disaster it didn’t work for John Key, Bill English and it won’t work for Luxon or New Zealand. It didn’t work for youth more than 5 years ago, who on earth thinks it will work on the social media savvy youth of today. This is also a disaster waiting to happen, another state inquiry into state care going into the future.

      • Why is there more sympathy for the criminals than the victims?
        If your family were the victims of these out of control,allowed to be out of control criminals you would have a different view.

    • LOL. It’s more than a 100. That is just a line to deflect being run by the Police and the Minister. They are also silent on the gang connections.

  3. Easy to make comments from behind a typewriter. I have been a small business owner of hamburger bar .House mortgaged to pay for it 80 hours a week to run it and you think I would not defend my takings with every bone in my body .
    At the end of the day not all our decisions make sense in the cold light of day but you cannot let the bastards win otherwise anarchy will become the norm.

  4. Tell that to the people that have been bashed, injured and murdered Martyn whilst doing nothing. The real lesson here is we have a large number of violent youth and young men who have no interest in living in a civilised society. And that ain’t changing any time soon. As witnessed by the explosion of gang members over the past few years.

  5. “it is a hard lesson not to confront desperate and violent criminals”.

    There we part company Martyn. If you watched the clip Ryan Bridge showed the PM, it showed a worker on their knees with a knife held to their neck. Ok they survived, but the possibility of person developing PTSD is high’.
    Police always advise not to confront criminals. That’s good, but sometimes it works to confront them. My experience of an attempted rape, lead me to challenge my attacker (once they hadn’t pulled a knife or gun on me) and that got me out of a potentially horrific situation.
    When people are under threat, they have a lot of adrenaline. They will respond with fight, flight or freezed. We don’t always have that much control over those responses because adrenaline is the driver

    • Anker, Yes, and in this instance a decent young man may have felt honour-bound to defend his friend’s interests, and paid the ultimate price for doing so.

  6. PM.ALL THEM hub look care,outstanding as gainst squere heid balldnest outside anything new farm fence policy.

  7. Your headline is quite right but it’s reached a point where the police and courts seem so indifferent to down right impotent, the youth court especially so, and the government appears clueless, that people have had enough. And then you get this tragedy. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner!

    It’s simply no good to have announcements as solutions, its no good to announce an inaccessible fund to fog cannon their way out of this mess, it’s time to sort the above shortcomings out. If that means changes of leadership in both the police and courts, then so be it!

    • Agree XRAY but I would add we need a change of Government first.
      It needs more thought than a fog cannon.

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  9. Headline re-written:
    The lesson from Sandringham Dairy murder is get rid of all soft judges and bring back the death penalty.

  10. I don’t like the Left’s detail-mongering bout this. It disgusts me dairy-owners are subject to violence these last years. The freemrket ‘Left’, who still rule us, produced these poor kids. I think both the protection of dairy-owners and helping the poor are imperative. But it is difficult to help the dairy-owners.

  11. I’m mad at Australias 501 policy. It merely moves the problem. It’s not as if we don’t have enough problems of our own.

  12. You do the best thing for the situation. I was in an antique shop once on k’rd, a big shoplifter was confronted by the shop owner , the shoplifter left and then stole a knife from the carvery next door, returned to the antique shop to attack the shop owner, I grabbed a metal teatray on display and using it as a shield for the both of us, fended off the slashes, forcing the shoplifter back out the door. Probably stupid to stand ground against a dangerous attack but the result of doing nothing could have been a bloodbath and also cowardly lack of action on my part, not that I thought about it, I just reacted on reflex with the nearest best thing to hand.

  13. “Leaders speak to the angels of our better nature, not invoke their wrath.”

    I like this sentiment. Jacinda Ardern knows this sentiment also.

    Thank you Jax for having our bax. Truly.

    JA is a righteous leader. Let’s give her another term. Let’s demand our policy, so she can get it done? I think she will pull one out of the bag, because we demand that from our democraticly elected leader. And she is the best leader we have. Let her government know, clearly, what we all need. She will listen to the people. People need to submit stuff the government can utilize. Let’s get to it then 🙂

    • Sonic “ She will listen to the people “. Then what ? Listening to the chorus pleading to keep the independent Commissioner for Children has borne no fruit.

  14. Credit where credit’s due, and small Bill English should be acknowledged here for helping set the stage for bringing in cheap off-shore workers by branding all our young Kiwi males useless unemployable druggies, and at a time when 18- 24 year olds suicide rates were peaking. Bill’s God may forgive him for this, but I won’t.

  15. ⁸”The grounds for his deportation from Australia cannot be reported for legal reasons.”

    Out of idle curiosity, what are the legal grounds?

  16. We “farmed out” our personal safety to a state police force, justice and correction system.
    That system is failing.

    The headline should read

    “The lesson from Sandringham Dairy murder is INDIVIDUALLY to not confront violent desperate criminals”

    If the system fails to protect us we have every right to COLLECTIVELY confront violent desperate criminals.

    Yes, vigilante units have been running for a while and these will grow in size and effectiveness. For if the parliament and the state systems, that guarantee our safety, are not up to par, we will take collective action to make sure of the public safety.

    The system that does not protect the public and does nothing will simply be ignored by the vigilante collective.

    • Stick to the facts, the offender was running away & the victim chased him. I can only presume what sort of pressure the shop worker was under although a recent article regarding unpaid wages for an immigrant worker provides some insight into the way these workers are treated by their employers.

  17. The current Labour Government policy doing nothing is surprise,surprise not working.
    Blame who you like but something needs to be done now.

    • Bob the first, we all know something has to be done, it’s ‘what’ that remains the question that needs answering. Do you see National’s proposals as a solution?

      • PK
        What need to be done??? The job is to keep 5 million safe at all cost, not be oh so kind to a few hundred bad crims. Problem is we always fuck around instead of doing what works. Here’s what stops crime:
        1. Build a some more prisons with ultra tough regimes.
        2. Get rid of soft judges.
        3. Pay cops a lot more.
        4. Bring back the death penalty and life is life.

        • Thanks SK.
          1. To me there is ample evidence that prisons with ultra tough regimes are in general counter productive – just breeding tougher criminals. Because of this I think we should be prepared to try the Norwegian model.
          2. Get rid of soft judges – maybe, but like all occupations there will be a variety, accessing who are ‘soft’ – faced with deciding between sending someone, who you consider to be salvageable, into our current prison system or trying other options, we too may be ‘soft’. We need urgently to recover our prisons from gang control and also concentrate on release programs that don’t return prisoners to their past environment.
          3. I agree we should pay our Police more, just like nurses, teachers, bus drivers, supermarket workers …. but I can’t see how this would impact on crime rates. The Police certainly need more resource – more beat Police is certainly a good direction.
          4. No jurisdiction that has the death penalty could be considered to be safer because of it. My understanding is that Life is life, when released you are on parole for the rest of your life.

      • Not completely but it’s doing something.
        Labour Government stands back does nothing and lets the people of New Zealand be walked over by criminals.
        To me that’s not right.
        Now if someone confronts the criminals they get blamed.
        That’s not right.

        • Thanks Bob.
          The evidence is that National’s Boot Camp proposal is ineffective and even counter productive. Yelling at someone who does not want to be disciplined certainly will not work.
          To me just doing something is not a good reason. The evidence is clear, create a fairer society and everyone will benefit.
          Night after night we see news of our Police doing their job – I think the Police resources should be increased, but this needs to be underpinned with reducing the poverty/inequality in our society, without this all other efforts will in the end be pointless.

  18. She’s been a typical mellinial. If you close your eyes really tight and hope it goes away. It will never have happened. That’s how woke muddle class neofascists deal with serious issues.

  19. I think it was the Dutch about 30 years ago who first issued a warning to travellers to NZ, shortly after some backpackers were murdered here.
    Any migrant to NZ needs to have a stern warning before arrival, it is a profoundly sick society we have, compared to true first world countries and even much of the third world….

    You really need to be aware when on the streets.

    As a cyclist in Auckland who has complained multiple times to NZBus about bus drivers pulling out on cyclists, I now have a gang of Polynesian drivers harassing me with their air brakes, whenever they see me on the road. These people are deranged by the system we have

  20. Our culture seems to be adjusting to the new norm of violence and gun crime.
    Never chase after an offender outside the building.
    Fog cannons etc will annoy the less motivated.
    With the weakness of the parenting/family of some part of society I do think we should try some type of LSV project, if its done well(!) with a few million spent it could save tens of millions in damage to society in that generation, and more millions saved on their children who wouldve had a 5 x risk for becoming criminals also.

  21. Yes Bob I’m a victim twice over been through the ringer justice system and I do believe murderers with previous violent offences need longer sentences. However
    in NZ it depends on who you kill and how much publicity you get. The justice system cares more about money than people’s lives. And if your a Maori your life is worth less jail time for the murderer. How do I know this apart from being a victim and experiencing it first hand. Over the years I have been studying cases with similar circumstances but the sentences have not been consistent yet our justice system follows precedence. Police have done plead bargains giving some crimes a lighter sentence at the victims expense. Coronial services are racist and still take advantage. Waiting a year for your trial is not justice nor is having a crown defence lawyer who is fucken useless.

  22. What is tragic is that at the height of concern about robberies – an inexperienced new migrant is placed in charge of a store and possibly not provided the rigorous training necessary. It is only money and yet he opted to chase after the robber. This was an avoidable death which makes it worse, IMHO. Its also possible he was motivated by the need to keep his job and do whatever he could to retrieve the cash register. Unbelievably sad.

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