Is anyone surprised rehabilitation programmes inside a violent and corrupt prison environment don’t work?

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Corrections scrutinises failing drug and alcohol programmes

The latest data shows that the department’s rehabilitation programmes have had very little impact on preventing prisoners from reoffending.

Corrections’ director of mental health and addiction services Emma Gardner told 1News that, while in the past the programmes made a real difference, “the figures are showing that at the moment the programmes aren’t as effective as they used to be”.

Of course they are failing.

They are failing because the percentage of professional criminals and gang members has rapidly increased inside prisons.

The need to admit guilt before you can access these rehabilitation programmes creates a disincentive for prisoners to seek help. This leads to prisoners serving their full lags rather than being bailed early under the previous bail rules. We end up with prisoners who are institutionalised and haven’t seen an hour of counselling while inside prison.

The system is designed to take violent men and release them more damaged than when they went in.

The environments inside the prisons are violent and corrupt, you can’t rehabilitate people in a prison environment where any sign of weakness becomes an invitation to violence.

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The thirst for vengeance driven by news crime porn and ‘get-tough-on-crime’ Politicians has generated a prison industry that becomes more counter productive the more draconian it gets.

The chances of a destructive prison riot in NZ before the 2023 election can not be ruled out.

 

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32 COMMENTS

  1. If you believe the 1ZB crowd no one goes to prison for anything nowadays so this can’t be happening surely? Are there actual stats that show this rise of hardened criminals/gang members in the prison population? There seems to be lots of statements made without the numbers to support them.

  2. California corrections had a voluntary vegan lifestyle program run by Adventist groups that also included some god stuff.
    Huge results, as in massive drops in recidivism.

    It was canned.

  3. Doesn’t the whole “Corrections” system we rely on as a society scream out for the need of a top down overhaul, jail by jail?

    It’s no good Kelvin Davis surrendering to the status quo and thinking the only option being the easiest is to empty them!

    • Kelvin Davis is not known for his ability to bring new ideas.
      Gangs control the prisons so rehabilitation is on a path to nowhere.
      Gangs have grown hugely under the Labour Government.

  4. Dr Ardern should hit the prisons with a flash of her teeth and kindness!

    That turn them around! Get her to run a few one on one rehab sessions with these blokes and see what gives?

  5. Where is the reward for doing those courses behind bars? If you are a prisoner — what is the point to those courses really? So, Corrections can hire middle age – middle class “specialists” who then write up fucking insulting profiles on their patients — so they can get more treatment in prison, therefore keeping those prisoners behind bars longer.

  6. National goes on about ‘cracking down’ on gangs, BUT handed over control of our prisons to the gangs to ensure that they standover, rape and shank other prisoners as part of ‘punishment’.

      • You jest .This is the same Labour government that was going to reduce child poverty build houses for Africa fix the climate have a world class health and education system and improve policing and make prisons redundant. There will be white papers on all these matters plus hui organised with all the Maori tribes and special needs groups all topped of with a report and budget due 2026

  7. I think if you look at nature of and the way programmes are now delivered compared to when NZ was effective in reducing re-offending you will find some differences that might explain drop in effectiveness.

    • Look, it’s already been agreed that gang work schemes are SOCIALISM and thus completely unthinkable for the Labour/Nat uniparty, so who cares if they worked great, the party’s over.

  8. NZ is growing poverty and criminal activity.

    Time to stop and look at what socially responsible, low crime, low corruption countries do!

    We need all the resources on our home grown criminals to rehabilitate, not keep adding in more high needs!

    Finland is quicker to deport foreigners who get residence permits on false pretexts, commit crimes or don’t earn enough.
    https://yle.fi/news/3-11202911

    We are wasting a fortune on prisoners who are not NZ citizens like Tarrant, but do massive harm here on levels we have never seen before. That should be spent on rehabilitating NZ prisoners and keeping NZ citizens and residents safe in preventative terms by removing and deporting harmful people before they establish a base in NZ and actually stop them getting visas in the first place by upgrading the security, fraud, financial and character assessments before they come.

      • Need to address where the Meth is coming from and why NZ has so many criminals coming to NZ, both on NZ visas being rubber stamped by our immigration, or being deported from OZ after somehow getting some sort of easy NZ residency in the past.

        Government went out of their way to get the ISIS bride’s family into NZ from a refugee camp and stopped the mall terrorist leaving NZ when he wanted to go.

        with the 501’s the NZ government seem to be more worried about criminal human rights instead of victims of crime, which happens when hundreds of millions in Meth is coming into NZ and being used and money laundered here – the majority of those doing this social harm did not grow up in NZ but find our government makes it easy for them to supply drugs here.

        Where the drugs are coming from, China – to Mexico and then distributed.
        https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-07-26-the-other-epidemic-that-came-out-of-wuhan.Hkb_M1fslw.html

        “In September 2019, writer and journalist Ben Westhoff published a book, ‘Fentanyl, Inc’, detailing how chemicals leaving China – specifically Wuhan – are creating the deadliest wave of the opioid epidemic. His research began at the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, at a chemical precursor company called Yuancheng.

        “Posing as a potential client, I saw sales stands manned by hundreds of joyful college graduates, sending emoticon-laden messages from their cubicles to clients located primarily in Mexico. They told me they would be happy to sell me unscheduled fentanyl precursors. or that they were illegal in China, and they showed me fake packaging used to ship the precursors overseas, including dog food wrappers and banana snacks, to more easily avoid customs inspections, “Westhoff explains.

        Yuncheng was founded in 2001, has branches in various cities in China and two factories, one in Shenzhen and one in Wuhan. In the second, its headquarters are located in the Wuchang District, in an eight-story building where it shares space with a hotel. The company offers more than 10,000 different compounds, from food additives, pharmaceuticals, collagen, pesticides, veterinary products, anabolic steroids, and chemical precursors used to synthesize drugs. Although the company claims it stopped selling NPP and 4-ANPP, the most common precursors to making fentanyl, because “they are illegal in China.” In 2018, a law that prohibited the sale of these two products came into force in the Asian giant, although they can still be found in many online points of sale .

        In a recent interview with the Los Angeles Times , Logan Pauley, an analyst at the Center for Advanced Defense Studies, a Washington-based research organization, explained that “announced prices in China for fentanyl precursors, methamphetamine and cutting agents have increased between 25% and 400% since the end of February. ”

        NZ allowed the drug smuggler’s into NZ and turned a blind eye to their criminal activity and coming and going, now it’s an epidemic with more and more players piling in. It used to be 40kg of Meth now its 613kg.

        “According to Inland Revenue records neither Yim nor Wu, who arrived in New Zealand in 1991 and 1994, have ever declared their income nor paid any tax.”
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lawyers-fees-restrained-by-police-after-auckland-drug-bust/4SZBUDMSRSBATAEBSSL4BMAGK4/?c_id=1&objectid=11842563

        ‘Largest ever’ meth bust in NZ: Police, Customs seize 613kg of the drug
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462595/largest-ever-meth-bust-in-nz-police-customs-seize-613kg-of-the-drug

      • I have no issue killing all recividist criminals whether they are gang members or white collar fraudsters.
        The truth is that these deportees from Aussie already have committed enough crimes to prove they are beyond redemption.
        Pick them up at the airport and drive them straight to the crematorium.

    • I can believe that your first conclusion is probably correct however your solution would also end up applying to any innocent person wrongly convicted so is not an option for me.

  9. So what? The violent prisoners serve their full term. That’s a real benefit to society right there.

    Then when they are released and inevitably re-offend (and statistically that will be against someone who knows them, so no real harm) they go back to prison, again refusing to admit guilt and again serving their full term. Sounds ideal to me.

    Anyone in prison for a mistake will admit it and get help. Anyone else is in there to make life safer for those outside. That’s how it is supposed to be.

  10. what about some training and no I don’t mean a degree in social work but training as sparks, chippies whatever, tradies are in demand but no banged up 23hrs a day feeds the lust for vengeance

  11. Straight from the horses mouth “That’s because it went from 6 month therapeutic community program to 6 week course of 1 hour a day. They did it to save money. Not comparable to old programs that did work’.

    Changes made in the last few years of the Key Govt which no doubt, Davis didnt even look into until it became a national disgrace.

  12. I would like more info on what it means that the programs use to work, but not now.

    What’s changed? What are they doing differently?

    I heard a long prison sentence reduces recidivism. Will try and find a link.

    Te Maori Party wants to abolish prisons.. and I say to them what happens to the Chch terriorist, Jesse Kempson, Clayton weatherston, Malcom Rewa, the south Ak rapist etc, etc etc etc

  13. Do something bold to change the situation. Integrate prisons with military camps having secure surrounds. Make sentence reduction incentives for them that obey the training and grow personal integrity. Make gang leaders into sergeants who’ll be valuable when NZ’s defence is tested by a foreign adversary.

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