I’ve said from the beginning that Covid is a triple peaked crisis, the first was the physical impact on physical health, the second was the economic impact and the third was the impact on mental health.
Human Beings are social creatures, the worst punishment is isolation – we’ve all gone through a unique universal experience and it’s damaged many.
We are seeing that mental health pressure exploding everywhere from the Dumb Lives Matter protest on Parliament’s Lawns, to domestic violence, to fights in Supermarkets to a spike in crime to the Wellington Middle Class Marxists screaming to send in the military to bash protestors they didn’t like.
Everyone has been impacted mentally by these unprecedented times and the true cost is yet to be felt.
Polling for the Mental Health Foundation found 36 per cent of people surveyed were experiencing poor emotional wellbeing, up from 27 per cent a year ago.
Which brings us to the sudden spike in ram raids and angry frightened editorials and media coverage…
Editorial: Ram-raiders need stopping in their tracks
The audacious and affrontive attack on East Auckland’s Ormiston Town Centre shopping centre on Monday night must be a wake-up call to anyone not yet aware that we have a ram-raid crime wave on our hands.
…I appreciate and fully acknowledge seeing children commit organised crime like this is genuinely concerning to the wider community.
But I beg us all to take a deep breath, appreciate the uniqueness of this moment and the extreme pressure on so many people right now.
That’s why I think Mark Mitchell’s suggestion to revoke the Police chase policy is probably the single worst thing we could do behind arming Police with heat seeking missiles.
Don’t get me wrong, I have a certain appreciation for Mark, I thought the Police Minister was petty and beneath the Mana of the Minister when she denied him access to speaking with Police Commanders, and we’ve enjoyed vigorous debates in the past, and while his point that these kids seem fearless and live under the false illusion there are no consequences to their actions, announcing a change in Police policy at the height of this ram raid crisis is only going to scare the fucking bejesus out of these adrenalin pumping kids and will almost certainly result in fatalities.
We don’t need dead people added to this problem.
Of course every effort must be taken to catch every perpetrator and have them dealt appropriately through Youth Court processes or social agencies, but understanding these ram raids are the psychological and economic symptom of a deeper malaise that is running through post-Peak Covid NZ is a far greater starting point in terms of decision making than allowing our fear and anger dictate policing policy that might make things worse.
This is but the beginning of the post traumatic trauma this country is working through, we have to de-escalate and act like adults here, not become a fucking Lynch mob!
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School attendance falling on a cliff with lockdowns compounding that. Plenty of kids for a bunch of reasons have been left to their own devices over the covid whether it be their parents been essential workers and needing to go to work or having to work from home to keep the roof over the head.
My local dairy go ram raided couple of weeks ago, very young kids stole lollies, chips and soft drinks… didnt even try for cigarettes.
Really need to put alot of effort into getting kids back to school and succeeding by any means necessary.
How likely is it that the increasing frequency of youth/children in property crimes is because their parents send them out knowing that their children wont be charged as adults if caught.
I’m not sure about that Robbie. And I think Cricklewood’s point is a good one – covid has aggravated the already low rates of school attendance. According to government data, school attendance rates have been falling since 2015 – well before covid. In 2019, only 64% of children attended school “regularly”. The figures were especially low for Maori (50%) and Pasifika (52%). It’s left to Asians to rescue the overall numbers, with 73% of them attending regularly.
The Police Minister’s refusing Mitchell access to police commanders appears to be part of the government pattern of refusing to let voices be heard, eg, at the Parliamentary protest when the Greens and the National Party both corroborated with them on this, and latterly the shocking AUT decision to clamp down on the voices of women.
The socioeconomic impact of coronavirus may not be personally relevant to well-heeled politicians leading sheltered and protected lives oblivious of the impact at everyday level to everyday people. I think the PM actually said that only she or the government spoke the truth, which, apart from being a rather chilling to say, devalued what others may consider needs to be expressed. Government has acknowledged the economic impacts upon business, but the reality is that money speaks, which is not much use to people who don’t have it, and whose lives have become distorted and unfulfilled or unhappy, and who feel discounted, but about whom politicians may be clueless and not really care until it comes to soliciting their votes at election time. If bad things happen they simply call in the police and make them their fall guys and tools of oppression and recipients of bruises or worse.
Agree SW . Even the Greens are denied access to Ministers . It is certainly prove of the old saying power corrupts.
“Why can’t NZ connect spate of ram raids with crippling cost of living crisis”
If this was truly the case then wouldn’t they be going after essential items like food instead or targeting luxury commodities?
The ram raiders are nothing more than opportunist criminals not poor people looking for a way out of a problem
Lets be honest here.
I was broke for many many years and struggling to get by yer I never considered ram raiding Noel leelings to help “life me out of poverty”
Actually these ram raids have been very trendy in US cities for the last year or so and we just imported another “movement” from overseas
I agree.
resale value
I would have thought that Mitchell and the Natz would have celebrated this as “poor people helping themselves”
From KB:
“Southern Raider
Based on media and social media comments across the left about about ram raids I’ve been able to deduce
– it’s not the Govt fault
– it’s not the Police fault
– it’s not the parents fault
– we don’t need to treat the raiders as criminals as we need to focus on the underlying drivers of crime
And the main people at fault are the business owners who have failed to invest in their own security”
fuckin disaster innit….but note how ramraids on auck luxury stores are a ‘serious matter’ and raids on corner dairies aren’t.
Yeah yeah let’s find more excuses for doing crime. How about…it’s easy and profitable doing crime in NZ. We have no justice system. In fact, if you get caught, you get let out quick and put in state care with a house and monthly income on the taxpayers. It’s a career path in NZ. I spoke to a cop the other day who works in AKL city. I asked him how do we get the nice CBD back? He said you won’t, simply do not go into the CBD at night….ever.
BTW Martyn, clearly NZ as a country is short of income, and it’s showing through poverty and crime. So why aren’t we doing a Norway and drilling oil, exploring and selling minerals and coal doing big industry. NZ is now a victim of it’s own smugness…100% PURE is now 100% POOR.
The idea that NZ will get rich selling minerals is ridiculous. The quality of coal in NZ is shit, we couldn’t find a buyer for it if we tried. Geologically, our landmass is too young to have quality oil reserves, and as for natural gas… well, i suppose we could try to compete with the Ozzies. But seeing as they are fracking their entire eastern coast, which means that due to supply, we would be on a hiding to nothing.
We should as you suggested be doing big industry, milling our own timber, investing in new tech.
Its strange, I keep seeing letters to the editor in various papers, espousing these talking points, and I have to wonder where these strange ideas are coming from. Because obviously the only people who would gain from this would be corpoate lobbyists, and Fossil Fuel company executives, all looking for those sweet, sweet tax exemptions and tax payer funded subsidies… just like our “film industry”, it would have negligible gains for the tax payer, while making a few individuals a ton of money.
“…drilling oil, exploring and selling minerals and coal…”, yeah, nah. Perhaps this idea, and other talking points like it should get thrown into the garbage bin.
” The idea that NZ will get rich selling minerals is ridiculous.”
Yet Australia does!
In fact our coal is generally excellent quality: metallurgical grade. We also have vast reserves of lignite. In addition we have economically viable reserves of tungsten, molybdenum, magnetite and of course gold.
The problem with exploiting these assets is the RMA and the general ignorance of kiwis when it comes to mining ventures. Kiwis chose to remain poor and so shouldn’t be surprised when they cannot afford cancer medicines and safe roads.
Yes you are right, we have vast amounts of lignite otherwise known as brown coal. Its practical uses are… fuel for power stations. It certainly can’t compete with Australian and American quality coal. And digging it out of the ground here would require flattening large expanses of native bush, then to extract it safely opencast mining would be needed. Good luck selling that to the electorate.
As for the other minerals that you mentioned, I’ll admit I don’t know much about them, but if they require the same sort of mining techniques… well, you know where I’m going with this don’t ya?
There is a reason we import brown coal from Indonesia rather than digging it up ourselves, they can do it cheaper than we can. So ask yourself, “Who are we going to sell this coal too?”. India, China, Korea ,and Japan all buy Australian coal, which is better quality than ours, perhaps Indonesia? Oh wait… perhaps not. At the end of the day, it’s more cost effective to leave it in the ground.
lignite…otherwise known as brown coal the most polluting variety
it’s never been nice. that’s not how most of us want it. nice sucks balls.
Mitchell was only a police dog handler. He may have a limited perspective on these worrying issues.
What was Poto Williams when she was in the force?
Do you agree that woman have gone to far and need to get back to the kitchen? Guess you’ve had it up to here*** with woman 🙂
Nope, don’t agree. But I know how you work…you are trying to twist my words like Jack the gotcha journalist from the tv, ready to pounce on my outrageously mysoginist answer, so you can stick it on woke Twitter in a fit of outrage, ey? Sorry, no cigar. Here is my answer, see if you can find something that qualifies as (insert big buzzword) misogyny: “Dear Sam, I work with many great women, many of whom are in charge of some seriously big stuff, and they are brilliant at their job. And there is key to your gotcha question – being brilliant at one’s job, not being a woman or dare I say a man! Poto Williams (note no reference to male of female, Poto could be a bloke’s name) clearly knows zip, nada, nothing about policing which is a pretty specialised portfolio. How could Poto know? After all, Poto was never ever in any force, be it police or defense, or even the lowly limited dog handling division, ey Pip! If, somehow, said minister (note again no reference to male of female) does know something about being a cop, said minister sure as shit isn’t demonstrating those skills. On the contrary, that minister is a hapless flounder, as Martyn will confirm! In conclusion, by putting that person into such a role, PM Ardern and Labour have proven they are indeed very soft on crime – and criminals all around NZ are just loooooooving it!!!
There you go Sam, now I better get back in that kitchen because I’ve had it up to here*** with woman overcooking the beef wellington!
It’s ashame that the police minister can be easily shielded with moralising words like “misogyny” and other wounded language. My only goal in using such language was to lift the ideological cover which you, Sour Kraut, performed excellently. Well done.
If only we could do the same to that no good AWOL and oww it’s everyone else’s fault for delaying capital spending defence minister.
Sour Kraut Relevance ? Williams isn’t the person wanting a change in police policy, Mitchell is. Williams leaves police operational decision- making to the police.
Poto Williams happens to be the Minister of Police, last I checked. Or maybe not? There’s your relevance Pip.
Sour Kraut. Indeed, Poto Williams is Minister of Police, and like I said, as Minster she leaves operational matters to the police. Mark was a lower echelon police person, and not one of the policy makers. If you read Nicky Hager’s “ Dirty Politics “ and see how Mark got into Parliament, you may see repetitive sort of patterns at play here.
Probably why the police minister denied him access to the commander, he would only have made things worse. Some voices make things worse, predominantly ZB hosts and their handpicked National MPs.
Is that why he barks so much is past job has rubbed of on him.
Covid is pa. Mark’s always been into dogs. Woof Woof. That’s why he went into postwar Iraq – ask Tracey – he’s a one man SPCA – a richer one.
I don’t think these kids are really interested in the hyperinflation numbers.
Ferals in need re-programming in a ‘camp’ in the Uruwera’s or on an Island somewhere remote. For a year or two.
Tend to agree Den and I predict all this (covid, inflation or otherwise) will keep getting worse. When you throw out the prevailing social order and values, things fall apart for a time. I predict a difficult 10 + years ahead.
C’mon, Tane+.
These kids were “hard working kiwis”, doing the paper rounds and supermarket jobs after school. When the latest inflation quarterly figures came through they were left backed into a corner.
it’s a nice thought but the evidence says bootcamps don’t cure they brutalise, I’d suggest something much more cruel…no screens
“that woman” – apparently that’s a misogynist dog whistle now – at least that’s what was claimed about it’s use when referring to Jacinda.
BTW your grammar is a mess Sam, your post is ambiguous as a result.
Do you agree that woman (women?) have (has ?) gone to far and need (needs?) to get back to the kitchen? Guess you’ve had it up to here*** with woman (women?)
Hurow. Anyone who agrees woman can be misogynist is the one not worth listening to.
I take your point though. My engush is more a country version by design. I mean good on the Mr University professor. Perhaps one day I to will identify as a university. 🙂
Dear Martyn Bradbury. Dear boy.
“Why can’t NZ connect spate of ram raids with crippling cost of living crisis & why Mark Mitchell isn’t helping”
mark mitchell doesn’t warrant debate. So don’t pay him that kind of respect.
Keep it simple, I reckon.
Before there can be answers, there must first be questions. Specifically, the correct questions based upon a broader understanding of things. It’s far more important to ask the correct questions than it is to give the correct answers.
A correct question would be why? Why are we having this on-going debate about why, with the exception of the outrageously wealthy, are we seeing the results of hardship and poverty in AO/NZ?
Why? And how come nothing’s done to stem that kind of tide of antisocial dysfunction?
I read on Wikipedia that bob jones is now a billionaire. Why? How? Graham Hart has many more billions. Why? How? There are many, many more, of the laziest, fattest, most unarguably useless cunts imaginable just out there who are even financially wealthier than that. And thanks to [them] we now have four major Australian banks literally stealing our housing stock from under our sniffy noses while we frantically try to buy just to go into unpayable debt to them. Why? How?
We have, without the slightest chance of a counter argument surviving, one of the most politely corrupt democracies on Earth. Labour. National. The Green Party, The Maori Party. ACT. They all have one thing in common. They’re ALL the same thing. And that ‘thing’ is known as ‘neoliberalism’.
Do you know what, exactly, neoliberalism is? Of course you don’t. Neither do I. Who does? Milton friedman did but would you have been game enough to look that little alien in the eye, much less ask him to explain his criminal genius plans to tank the planet and all life on it by spreading the disease of greed?
If I had to guess what ‘neoliberalism’ is, and that’s an IS, not a was, I’d say it was a script written to get public money into private pockets. It’s a despicable plan to literally steal YOUR money from under your noses.
Wonderful little Aotearoa/ New Zealand’s well known for punching above its weight. We Kiwi’s have many firsts to be proud of but acquiescing to rich bullies with political connections is one of our few shames and they know that. That’s why the criminal They are, are always one step ahead of any attempt at us reclaiming our homelands.
For example and in my opinion, the most recent debacle that was ‘Ground Swell’ and ‘Ag Action’ was purposely designed to make our PRIMARY industry look like a pathetic rabble of racist, sexist, red neck fools. If the precise opposite had been the case, which would have been closer to reality and not some rich shadowy freak in a suit’s best attempts at derailing a useful and curative outcome we might have seen the criminal Kiwi neoliberal underworld end up in a private prison.Nothing like a little irony, Aye boys?
Covid has hurt the poor more than anyone else and these so called young criminals don’t think of the consequences when they do these ram raids. When you are as desperate as many now are you do what you have to do and worry about the repercussions later. Its not about getting away with it that rhetoric is utter bullshit. When you live on the margins like many NZers now do you do what you have to do to survive even if its wrong.
when I’m desperate I don’t even think about jumping in my car and ram raiding the mall, no matter what.
survive? They can’t be that hungry as I don’t see them stealing food!
Stop making excuses for this criminal behaviour.
Issue is these days kids think they can do whatever they want and without consequences. Looks like they are gonna learn the hard way
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
Covid has hurt the poor more than anyone else and these so called young criminals don’t think of the consequences when they do these ram raids. When you are as desperate as many now are you do what you have to do and worry about the repercussions later. Its not about getting away with it, that rhetoric is utter bullshit. When you live on the margins like many NZers now do you do what you have to do to survive even if its wrong. Mark Mitchell is all about lock em up a very high cost to our country building billion dollar prisons and fill them up with our Maori whanau.
the reasons and cause are valid BUT that isn’t an excuse for behaviour…our society doesn’t appreciate that contradiction…
a hard life might well be the reason you stabbed that pensioner but it doesn’t excuse it.
no but they can be
mean girls (hip nice word for for misogynist)
misandrist
misanthropic
just like anyone else, genitals do not confer sainthood.
Yes Martyn the cost of living for these juvenile delinquents means they are forced to obtain liquor,cigarettes and expensive clothing by resorting to ram raids and armed robberies,safe in the knowledge that the consequences will be …minor.
Very good point
Dear Martyn Bradbury. Dear boy.
“Why can’t NZ connect spate of ram raids with crippling cost of living crisis & why Mark Mitchell isn’t helping”
mark mitchell doesn’t warrant debate. So don’t pay him that kind of respect.
Keep it simple, I reckon.
Before there can be answers, there must first be questions. Specifically, the correct questions based upon a broader understanding of things. It’s far more important to ask the correct questions than it is to give the correct answers.
A correct question would be why? Why are we having this on-going debate about why, with the exception of the outrageously wealthy, are we seeing the results of hardship and poverty in AO/NZ?
Why? And how come nothing’s done to stem that kind of tide of antisocial dysfunction?
I read on Wikipedia that bob jones is now a billionaire. Why? How? Graham Hart has many more billions. Why? How? There are many, many more, of the laziest, fattest, most unarguably useless ( extremely offensive word was here because it was appropriate) imaginable just out there who are even financially wealthier than that. And thanks to [them] we now have four major Australian banks literally stealing our housing stock from under our sniffy noses while we frantically try to buy just to go into unpayable debt to them. Why? How?
We have, without the slightest chance of a counter argument surviving, one of the most politely corrupt democracies on Earth. Labour. National. The Green Party, The Maori Party. ACT. They all have one thing in common. They’re ALL the same thing. And that ‘thing’ is known as ‘neoliberalism’.
Do you know what, exactly, neoliberalism is? Of course you don’t. Neither do I. Who does? Milton friedman did but would you have been game enough to look that little alien in the eye, much less ask him to explain his criminal genius plans to tank the planet and all life on it by spreading the disease of greed?
If I had to guess what ‘neoliberalism’ is, and that’s an IS, not a was, I’d say it was a script written to get public money into private pockets. It’s a despicable plan to literally steal YOUR money from under your noses.
Wonderful little Aotearoa/ New Zealand’s well known for punching above its weight. We Kiwi’s have many firsts to be proud of but acquiescing to rich bullies with political connections is one of our few shames and they know that. That’s why the criminal They are, are always one step ahead of any attempt at us reclaiming our homelands.
For example and in my opinion, the most recent debacle that was ‘Ground Swell’ and ‘Ag Action’ was purposely designed to make our PRIMARY industry look like a pathetic rabble of racist, sexist, red neck fools. If the precise opposite had been the case, which would have been closer to reality and not some rich shadowy freak in a suit’s best attempts at derailing a useful and curative outcome we might have seen the criminal Kiwi neoliberal underworld end up in a private prison.Nothing like a little irony, Aye boys?
Every single problem that is turning NZ into South Africa can be attributed to Adrian Orr and his wealth divide acceleration. Robbo tells Orr what his priorities are and Jacinda tells Robbo. Worst government ever.
To centrally command, or not command. That is the question.
There must be away of blitzing some sort of post colonial Marxist reform via He Papua’s co governance for the purposes of deinflationary pressure.
Regardless of whatever reasons are given for this it boils down to shit parenting from a group of people that probably shouldn’t be parents. Talk to anyone driving around in a squad car in Auckland and they can tell you where the blame lies. Mainly young Polynesians, often gang affiliated. No interest in education, hard work or living by the social norms of a civil society. In other words they are so far removed from making any possible contribution to society they will be costing us for years. I guess they will morph into the next lot of Headhunters, Nomads, Mongol Mob etc, etc. Can’t see anything changing unless there is a major initiative to turn things around. This government is useless across the board and the other bunch are so obsessed with “getting tough on crime” and doing nothing when they get into government that we are probably doomed. Plenty of poor people around when I was growing up but no one was ram raiding businesses.
Sylvian do the statistics support your statement? Are young Polynesians really where “the blame lies”. Perhaps the squad car was driving around in the wrong area.
They don’t reveal the ethnicity of the offenders. Maybe the people I spoke to were lying. But I don’t believe they had any reason to.
Sylvian Your points about parenting are very relevant. For many children their “parenting” is a potpourri nowadays.
Some are put into daycare at 12 months old or earlier, where the logistics mean that one on one interactions at this important life-learning time are impossible. Thence to another preschool. Before they even start primary school they may have been exposed to varying degrees of parenting from a variable group of paid outsiders. Some parents have few choices about this. Some children have little care, apart from perhaps older siblings. Some have a fragmented family life with low income parents having to work several jobs between them and rarely home at the same time – that’s the kids who do have two parents.
The research done here in New Zealand on the effect of outside commercial daycare for the under two year olds is sobering, and the prognosis is not generally positive. The stresses placed on the family unit itself whisking kids off to care at early morning times and picking up after work are another negative, and the fact is that young children in care, or at preschool, can have fewer home-time hours than a teenager at secondary school does. In an ideal community, all care of children in their formative years should be nurturing, but we do not live in an ideal social community in this country.
The police are called out at shocking daily rates to domestic disturbances. Babies, children, and women, get abused and killed in world-leading numbers, and apparently young constables with sparse training in mental health issues routinely attend suicides and attempted suicides, including of young children talking of suicide. This is heartbreakingly tragic.
The gang issues which you mention are another realm altogether, but folk warbling to “get a job” etc may do so unaware that even that may be beyond the coping skills of children disadvantaged from birth at many levels.
” shit parenting ” yup . Here in Mangere you see bare headed teens riding trailbikes with cut-off mufflers on the roads , sidewalks , parks with no consequence . Before covid we had a regular saturday morning parade of their fuckwit fathers making horrendous noise with their cut-off mufflers . Seems to be kids emulating their fathers . Martyns right we need a dedicated gang unit to deal with these pricks and their spawn .
These ramraids will undoubtedly cost the taxpayer. Martyn, that means we still need China to buy our goods and sustain our GDP.
These ram raids have been going on for years in the provinces. Well before this cost of living thing. But now because the raids are happening in the city I guess it has become fashionable to talk about it.
What a load of shit.
These fuckers are filthy rich compared to most people in the world.
There are plenty of jobs available now. Go to tech do a trades or engineering course and you can be on 70 or 80 grand in a couple of years.
These people are scum pure and simple who have never known a day of actual poverty. They produce nothing, contribute nothing to society.
ohhhhh mark that made me all tingly
lol – he’s not wrong though. the counter culture isn’t just hippies in tie dyed kaftans any more. wanna be gangsters gotta gangster.
And what’s your ‘final solution’ to all this poverty problem? Mark Mitchell aka Chris “bottom-feeder” Luxon? Tax cuts for the rich?
Calling people “scum, pure and simple” is an oxymoronic, or just plain moronic thing to say. Maybe we need to double the GST on the “milk of human kindness”?
“Human Beings are social creatures, the worst punishment is isolation”
Fucking bullshit. Many people have taken the isolating time to read, study, and improve themselves. People who can’t take a bit of isolation are simply weak and pathetic.
Really Mark so what are you a psychologist ?
@”Mark” You sound more like Chris Luxon’s alter-ego pseudonym commenting. Next Mark’ll be calling these kids, and ram-raiders “bottom-feeders”
Trickle-down economics doesn’t work, and will never work. You are all going to have to build higher walls around your rich houses, install more burglar alarms and have security guards in every corner-dairy. “Mark my words!
We are a civilised society, but now we are a civilised society with some weaker societal members.
https://www.columbian.com/news/2016/nov/11/letter-quote-from-humphrey-not-gandhi/
“At the Hubert Humphrey Building dedication, Nov. 1, 1977, in Washington, D.C., former vice president Humphrey spoke about the treatment of the weakest members of society as a reflection of a government: “The moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped.””
Don’t have to be.
Just not a self-absorbed numnuts
Compared to the challenges and travails of past generations and people in different parts of the world now, and in NZ we are still among the most privileged group of people in all of human history – including those thieving ratbags.
Covid is a piss drop in the ocean of human suffering, particular for New Zealanders.
If people burst into tears over a bit of social isolation, fuck em
Showing the ram raid on tv is the stupidest thing I have ever seen, letting these criminals be center stage and even boasting about it on social media. The coverage of this event should be called Ram Raids for Dummies, The more you show the worse it will get. Where is the parent responsibility on this lot, a seven year old out and about with goodness knows who doing goodness knows what at all hours of the day and night. Once again the poor get the blame the socio economic bottom feeders who are an easy target for organized crime and headline publicity. What is Mark Mitchell solution is it ?” Lets chuck all these people in a super jail and throw away the keys” until they are released as new gang members easy as !!!
Mark Mitchell understands the issue at the deepest psychological level.
It’s spelled V O T E S.
I suppose if we are not going to hold youth to account (and I understand some of the reasoning behind our youth courtl system) we should change the law to make parents responsible for their child’s behaviour. Although after seeing a woman getting evicted the other day for barking at her son in the dock I’m not sure the horse hasn’t bolted.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock them up, build more prisons when we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
And what is learn the hard way x straight, is it lock em up build more prisons we know this does not work and it costs the tax payer more in the long term. We have seem the long term damage borstals, homes like Epuni boys, mental institutes administering electric shocks and our current prison system does to people and families. And furthermore are those that need to learn the hard way are they going to be treated the same by our courts as the recent Chinese fraudster who got home detention for 10 million of fraud. Don’t talk to me about learning the hard way when pedos get of lightly in our country and white collar crims get a smack on the hand and bailed to a luxury motel.
pfft – storm in a teacup – a few wannabe gangsters doing gangster shit. if you choose to be held to ransom by 1% of the population I suggest you look at the 1% on the other end of the social spectrum.
Next up is the question, why don’t the kids parents know where they are or what they are up to ? Probably both parents are comatose and blown out of their brains either dead drunk or doing drugs. Or dad is beating the bejesus out of mum on a daily basis. Easy to see why the kids are out of control, they don’t want to hand around home and get a hiding themselves.