Why are we helping our Chinese Economic Overlords?

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NZ-China Free Trade Agreement upgrade coming into effect in April

New Zealand’s Trade Minister last week met with his Chinese counterpart to agree that an upgrade to our Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with China will come into effect in April. 

Damien O’Connor says the upgrade, signed in January 2021 but which has now been ratified by both countries, is a “significant step” and will assist with New Zealand’s economic recovery from COVID-19. 

Yay, more raw materials will be taken from NZ with no significant manufacturing of the finished goods only so China can sell it back to us as a finished good!

Right when we acknowledge that our Chinese Overlords are malicious and running concentration camps and abuse human rights with a regularity you can set your Taiwanese made watch by, here we are for another economic cuddle?

We need to see our economic decoupling from China as a national security issue.

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40 COMMENTS

  1. We have made a conscious decision to straddle the fence. At some stage we will have to pick sides by which time China will have us and half of the Pacific. Why do you think Australia has been so prepared to take economic brickbats – they know what is coming…..

        • not much of a choice is it though? live in a trumpian neo-con nightmare or a country where living standards are improving yearly…now china is far from perfect but using the standard capitalist metrics they’re doing ok…well better than us anyroad..actually strike that we can’t even build a fuckin road..transmission gully being the case in point

  2. NZ failed housing policy, sell off our land and assets to Asia and the rest of the world funded by banks or dubious cash money being money laundered, and then take on government debt to pay for NZ residents who increasingly have a lower standard of living.

    Since when did selling off state house land and privatising it, become a good housing policy for the left? It’s from the Thatcher days, with Globalist updates!

    Who thinks that the Asian company backed by Goldman Sacs is going to sell off these houses cheap to the poor, or are they going to sell them at market rates, that increasingly those that are on NZ wages can’t afford?

    When the issue is not enough housing for the growing poor in NZ, why is Kiwibuild taking taxpayers money to sell off to people who when audited didn’t seem very poor, and apparently was paying in cash or somehow was buying property without having a job that paid much income or just arrived in NZ in the last few years. Meanwhile the poorer people born here, live in hotel rooms in emergency housing.

    Who thinks that when the houses have building problems the Auckland ratepayers will be the ones forced into litigation to fix them up?

    Vietnamese modular housing apartments planned for Northcote state land
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/vietnamese-modular-housing-apartments-planned-for-northcote-state-land/XEVWYF452L24HIWGR7QTIKCN6U/

  3. lol!

    You’ve talked about ‘decoupling’ for a long time Martyn – but have provided no alternatives.

    Furthermore any country you would wish for NZ to ‘decouple’ will also have China as its largest or major trading partner – lol!

    • NZ imports nearly as much crap from China as our NZ exports and increasingly NZ exports are not owned by NZ shareholders anyway. We are a banana republic. So for every container of trees/milk powder, NZ gets plastic toys and clothing from China as imports to add to our landfill (that china owns so profits twice from it’s own imports to NZ) .

      Before China there was Japan, OZ as our main trading partners, they come and go… China is one of the worst for soft power, and forcing governments to agree with them on other issues or else exports somehow get held up….

      In a worldwide shortage of commodities, somehow NZ’s building materials that we sell for peanuts as raw commodities owned increasingly by foreign majority shareholders, come back to NZ as unaffordable products or poor quality, (aka untreated timber and poor manmade cladding, led the leaky building crisis).

      • “NZ gets plastic toys and clothing from China as imports to add to our landfill”

        We get a lot more than that. Where was the keyboard you are tapped away your sad rant made? And the computer screen you are reading this post from.

        In any case is China forcing New Zealanders to buy ‘plastic toys and clothing’ from them?

        • The keyboard I am typing on, has US IP, not Chinese. They can be made anywhere, and it’s become more apparent with Covid, that having huge global manufacturing in only one country, is a huge risk.

    • How is the smog in Beijing today Mark?
      Or did you manage to get out and leave it to the poor bastards still stuck there?

      • “Mark” is a United Front operative, buying up real estate in no Zealand to provide more lebensraum for his superior race.

        • Thanks Castro – Figured something must be going on as ‘Mark’ appears like clock-work as soon as there is any criticism of China.

  4. It’s not just the China NZ free trade deal, it is all the deals that are not about free trade, but forced trade, forced polluting (climate change and social good NOT allowed to be included) and the smaller countries like NZ are the most worst off.

    Foreign buyers haven’t come to NZ to buy the milk and the wool, they came to NZ, bought up the farms, the hotels the assets, and then bought in their own labour pools (that NZ taxpayers largely subsidise their families coming to NZ with free health, education and superannuation and NZ citizenship – work elsewhere but just come back when it suits).

    You can even buy NZ list MP seats where Chinese donations are more valuable than other nationalities according to Natz leaders.

    So did this work…. increase the quality of NZ goods, increase NZ productivity and increase NZer’s standard of living and skills…. NOPE, everything has got worse!

    Failed policy, failed legislation.

    Helping destroy the planet and keep the polluters and morally corrupt dinosaurs in business while destroying local economies and jobs whose products are not guaranteed to be used. (This helps the richest stay in business who can create monopolies and destroy any up in coming competition).

    WTO swats down India’s massive solar initiative
    https://grist.org/climate-energy/wto-swats-down-indias-massive-solar-initiative/

    It’s a slide to the bottom with the most dominant, cheapest and most litigations removing local competition.

    Along comes Covid and now nobody can get anything anymore as creating products from the furtherest parts of the world, is not that practical and takes a lot of time!

  5. How’s the investigation going into the cause and origin of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) ?

    Experts agree that in excess of 20 million people have died a bad death from Covid thus far and economic ruin has been the consequence for many others. Countries turn on each other and their leaders that have tried to keep them safe and alive……..meanwhile, the country of origin of Covid bullies anyone who has the audacity to investigate how, why and where. As a result, that country has been gifted a free pass and it’s pretty much business as usual for them.

    Who said bullying doesn’t pay?

      • and james is upset because ‘the american century’ is over and ‘american exceptionalism’ is a lie, welcome to the ‘dustbin of history’

        • Having reservations about a country that harvests organs from political opponents and runs concentration camps does not mean that I am pro US . . it just means that is all you can come up with.

          • US prison/industry slavery* complex…US economy, educatio, healthcare etc etc etc…worst by any and all metrics in the developed world….I could go on and on and onnnnnn

            *what else do you call it when ‘prisoners’ are forced to work and put out wildfires????

    • Well charges ranging from corruption to causing death by unethical scientific research( gain of function)were laid in the World Court just after Christmas by an alliance of scientists trying to expose the Eco Health Alliance and the Wuhan Virology Institute.

  6. Yeah, those funny Chinese who, year in, year out, continues to let their minority populations grow, none more so than the Uyghur. Why do they continue to operate outside of standard, US-led, Western narratives! And now look at what they are doing to us, buying our raw materials, now that’s beyond mean!

  7. Around 90% of the Meth precursors are originating from China.

    Sadly the facts don’t seem to be reported very widely or governments doing much to stop the Chinese precursors being exported and sold.

    Meth Precursor Chemicals from China: Implications for the United States
    https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Staff%20Report_PrecursorChemicalReport%20071816_0.pdf

    Wuhan’s Other Epidemic
    https://www.city-journal.org/wuhan-fuels-americas-fentanyl-epidemic

    Tonga’s drug crisis: Why a tiny Pacific island is struggling with a meth epidemic
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/28/tongas-drug-crisis-why-a-tiny-pacific-island-is-struggling-with-a-meth-epidemic

    Australian criminals brains behind 501kg of methamphetamine smuggled on to Northland’s Ninety Mile Beach
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/australian-criminals-brains-behind-501kg-of-methamphetamine-smuggled-on-to-northlands-ninety-mile-beach/FKO4M5E3WVF6RZV5CBHKYAOZNM/

  8. “Why are we helping our Chinese Economic Overlords?”

    Because they’re the new Empire Overlord Slave owners.

    They’ve beaten the West at Capitalism and are the new capitalist winners!

    The last time they were in a similar position, they ruled for 2000 years so I guess this could be the start.

    They don’t do the conquest by war. They do the cheque book trade swap.

  9. “Why are we helping our Chinese Economic Overlords?”

    Er … because they’re our Economic Overlords ?

    I, for one, welcome our new Cathay Overlords & am more than happy to spill the beans on others in exchange for a senior position in the new Regime.

    我会心甘情愿地把豆子撒在轰炸机、达米恩格兰特、尼尔琼斯和克林特史密斯身上,我尊贵的中国霸主

  10. Can’t stop now Martyn, unless we reject Liberalism as the dominate form of thought in our society.

    Mind you, Liberalism is the economic and social theory which eventually leads to totalitarianism. We are just sleep waking into it’s eventual conclusion.

  11. We AO/NZ’ers have to trade with someone and the Chinese people are the only ones left game enough to try after our corrupt primary industry producer boards headed up by one or two traitor cockies and fat greedy townies using the logical fallacy of SMP’s ( The Supplementary Minimum Price con.) then manipulating and manoeuvring ( read deliberately dicking around) our traditional trading mates to squeeze as much after the farm gate money out of our traditional trading partners in the UK, Europe and the USA as possible to create vast Kiwi-As urban wealth. Aye boys?
    It didn’t take long for our trading partners in Italy, Germany and the UK to name a few who were eagerly awaiting our fabulous foods and wool fibres to get sick and fucking tired of that did it Boys? Like Italian fabric makers pre selling their garment fabric ( Finest and best quality wool IN THE WORLD. True story. ) then having the wool board delay supply and shipping to squeeze as much money out of the Italians as possible. ( While the AO/NZ wool farmer had to settle for that awesome SMP. payment I.e. A stipend. i.e. fuck all. Aye boys? )
    If you want the truth of the matter then ask the pre neoliberal natzo’s ? Or? You could ask the Post neoliberal* natzo’s who can be found in Post Neoliberal Labour. Funny that Aye Boys?

    * Let me be clear. Neoliberalism isn’t a new and liberal ( Implying ‘free and fair’ .) way of trading where the market sets the rules of engagement as determined by demand. No. It’s a swindle beautifully, architecturally designed to fit within and between the narrow spaces of no-persons land AKA the Law.
    Is that why we can now only trade with people similarly inclined?
    By ignoring our past ‘indiscretions’ , to use a far too polite a word for what the crooks are doing to us, we’re always going to be at the beck and call of the criminal element between our farmers and the off-shore consumer market. It’s therefore a worrying thing for me personally that no one in our politics is using that kind of narrative. That must surely mean, then, that they’re all the same fucking thing man.

  12. It is interesting that our government is so keen to get back into trading with China, and not unwise as China is such a large country and has a productive workforce. It is also worth noting that New Zealand has a trade deal with the UK in the works. There is a massive amount of positivity for New Zealand on the trade front.

  13. China has approximately 120+ trading partners globally as of 2021.

    The US has 200 trading partners globally for 2021.

    Tell me. Which of these two ‘SuperPowers’ is in its ascendancy and which is not?

    Kill capitalism stifles both ay?

  14. There is no problem doing business with China, the problem is that when we express our position on something, we are vulnerable to economic retaliation from China. So New Zealand should seek more markets to diversify risks. Doing business with a lying and untrustworthy business partner will not end well!

    • well a trade deal with that other imploding former star the UK ain’t gonna help much…they won’t have a pot to piss in soon.

  15. All NZ needs now, is for the closet communists, who meet every day with the sacked NZDF, identifiable by their yellow-peril placards barely recognizabley different from the pavlovian Chinese originated brainwash covid propaganda and QR codes wallpapered over every public space and shopfront possible (‘freedom fighters’ including VFF who’s latest billboards overtly encourage scared covidians to get the jab) misleading unvacced and vacced injured to bark up the wrong tree and wage warfare against the NZ police and grind them down, attempt a coup, desecrate the icon of icons of NZ..all we need is for these sheep to build up so much hatred from the rest of NZ that covidian kiwis will welcome with naive open arms and minds ‘private secrurity companies’ and applaud the lovely Chinese security guards who saved them from ‘dangerous terrorists and the CHINA virus. The final phase of the Asian invasion complete , NZ annexed without wasting a bullet

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