Social Credit calls on employers and the public to exercise civil disobedience to oppose vaccine mandates by ignoring them, not implementing Covid registers, and not sacking unvaccinated employees.
Mahatma Ghandi used non-violent civil disobedience to oppose oppressive actions of the British government in India.
The time has come for New Zealanders to do the same to oppose the oppressive actions of our government.
It is now blatantly telling porkies by declaring that Covid-19 is a disease of the unvaccinated – something which international evidence shows is clearly untrue.
Its messaging has turned to bullying and creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust – a far cry from the “politics of kindness’ the Prime Minister likes to surround herself with.
Both Labour and National are supporting mandated vaccines and vaccine passports yet their own experts agree that vaccination won’t stop people getting Covid-19 nor will it stop them spreading the virus.
That fact has been confirmed by the Prime Minister, the Director General of Health, and by international evidence.
If, as we’re being told, vaccination works, there is no greater risk of being associated with a person who is unvaccinated, than one who is.
There is no justification for locking people out of society and denying them the ability to work.
Thousands of people will lose their jobs, including doctors, nurses, midwives, truck drivers, construction workers, paramedics, and more, delivering a massive blow to society.
While vaccination may be preferable, mandating it cannot be justified.
It is an assault on human rights and liberties that is completely over the top, out of all proportion to the risk.
With fears about our hospitals being swamped with Covid cases, it defies common sense that early treatment is not undertaken with proven medications that substantially lessen hospitalisation.
International evidence shows that early treatment and a home testing regime works.
So that is Social Credit off my list of parties worth voting for . Mandate protects those that cannot be vaxed due to health or age . Getting vaxed shows you care about others in society all for one and one for all.
“So that is Social Credit off my list of parties worth voting for.”
Me too, and just when I was seriously reading the stuff they were espousing.
Obviously Muldoon did have them correctly stereotyped.
Richard – I suggest you read my response to Trevor. Our views are based on factual material released by reputable sources not Facebook experts.
Trevor – If you read the post fully we acknowledged that vaccination does appear to lessen the effects and we did not suggest that people should not get vaccinated. What we did say was that vaccination doesn’t stop you catching the virus nor passing it on to others. Here’s the latest evidence published in the Lancet this week – https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
Here are the main points –
(1) “Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.”
(2) Susceptibility to infection after vaccination increases with time as soon as 2–3 months after vaccination;
(3) Vaccine effectiveness at preventing infection (regardless of symptoms) with delta in the household setting to be 34%
(4) Secondary attack rate [SAR – how well the first infected person infected other people in the household] was 41% among unvaccinated and 38% in fully vaccinated contacts; (nearly identical)
(5) Peak viral load increases with age, proving for the millionth time that this disease is bad for old/sick people.
Household settings are similar to workplaces, shops, malls, bars, large gatherings, so where’s the justification for mandates?
Definitely mine too.
Health and Safety in the work place is Paramount.
If this is Social credits attitude towards public health I sure Don’t trust them with Medicines funding or General healthcare or workplace health and Safety.
Geoff – I suggest you read my response to Trevor. Our views are based on factual material released by reputable sources not Facebook experts.
‘International evidence shows that early treatment and a home testing regime works.’
In what countries has this been tried and proven successful?
True; nobody says that vaccination guarantees immunity from infection – but it does drastically reduce the chances of it happening so it is worth doing.
Ghandi used civil disobedience to make India independent – not to stop people from being vaccinated against life threatening illnesses. He supported the use of modern medicine and health services. I believe his ghost is amazed at this invoking of his name to support the rejection of science.
Governments compel us to do many things we do not necessarily want to do; pay taxes, drive safely. Most importantly they prevent my actions from threatening the health and safety of my neighbours and fellow citizens.
It is good if people will voluntarily be vaccinated just as it is good if people voluntarily drive safely but if they refuse to do so our collective security demands that they conform
Stevie – your actions in getting vaccinated will not prevent you from threatening the health and safety of your neighbours and fellow citizens. Look at this study, published in The Lancet on October 29th – https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
It underpins our claim that unvaccinated people are no more of a danger to others than vaccinated people and therefore mandates to exclude unvaccinated people for their jobs, shops, entertainment, friends, etc are not justified.
The salient points from it are:-
(1) “Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.”
(2) Susceptibility to infection after vaccination increases with time as soon as 2–3 months after vaccination;
(3) Vaccine effectiveness at preventing infection (regardless of symptoms) with delta in the household setting to be 34%
(4) Secondary attack rate [SAR – how well the first infected person infected other people in the household] was 41% among unvaccinated and 38% in fully vaccinated contacts; (nearly identical)
(5) Peak viral load increases with age, proving for the millionth time that this disease is bad for old/sick people.
Household settings are similar to workplaces, shops, malls, bars, large gatherings, so where’s the justification for mandates?
This is what happens when a potentially good idea is left without a reliable minder – somebody puts it on their tumbril and carts it away sure as god made little eggs.
Damn. You just lost my vote Social Credit. Crazy talk.
Jase – Look at this study, published in The Lancet on October 29th – https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
It underpins our claim that unvaccinated people are no more of a danger to others than vaccinated people and therefore mandates to exclude unvaccinated people for their jobs, shops, entertainment, friends, etc are not justified.
The salient points from it are:-
(1) “Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.”
(2) Susceptibility to infection after vaccination increases with time as soon as 2–3 months after vaccination;
(3) Vaccine effectiveness at preventing infection (regardless of symptoms) with delta in the household setting to be 34%
(4) Secondary attack rate [SAR – how well the first infected person infected other people in the household] was 41% among unvaccinated and 38% in fully vaccinated contacts; (nearly identical)
(5) Peak viral load increases with age, proving for the millionth time that this disease is bad for old/sick people.
Household settings are similar to workplaces, shops, malls, bars, large gatherings, so where’s the justification for mandates?
Uuummmm Chris the Covid 19 virus is almost certainly genetically engineered . More and more evidence is pointing to this hence it is the fastest mutating transmissible virus when exposed to large numbers of humans ever recorded .( https://theintercept.com/2021/10/21/virus-mers-wuhan-experiments/?fbclid=IwAR3wp_7wdD7P72h9qKqV-28Icn5oqiAJ28Nx9yWe9yurpeccS7btPGRcd8w)
If you get don’t vaccinated you will almost certainly become very very ill when you catch it, probably be hospitalized and less likely you may die. No it’s not the flu. The more people who catch the full strength version of this virus the more able it is to mutate.Only vaccination weakens it. And it is unlikely to go away for many years yet.
As a resident of Northland where there are the lowest rates of vaccination in the country( no it isn’t because of Maori!) I am beginning to understand why the 1918 flu epidemic hit so hard up here. NO ONE THOUGHT IT WOULD COME HERE! Nothing’s changed. I am fully vaccinated and I expect to get a dose of Covid 19 in the next 18months. That is the reality. Wake up!
“Uuummmm Chris the Covid 19 virus is almost certainly genetically engineered .”
I don’t get my science from the press. I get it from the organisations that represent the fields in question. Certainly not political press like The Intercept, even if I’m sympathetic to their general political position.
well i suggest you read matt ridley( foremost science writer in western europe and alina chan molecular biologist and virologist) book on the subject then Richard. Simply titled Virus the search for the origin of covid 19. Also you could trying reading what the Intercept has done to release USA government files on the subject . It’s called JOURNALISM there is nothing wrong with Glenn Greenwald’s reputation except that he is brilliant enough to embarrass the powers that be.He’s a fully qualified specialist lawyer and idley has a master of science degree. So put that in your pompous pipe and smoke it!
You disappoint.
You overstated with “is almost certainly genetically engineered”.
That’s not representing the consensus state of the scientific opinion. Science isn’t done by journalists.
Shona – Nothing in our post suggests that people shouldn’t get vaccinated ! We’re saying the evidence doesn’t justify mandates.
Look at this study, published in The Lancet on October 29th – https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
It underpins our claim that unvaccinated people are no more of a danger to others than vaccinated people and therefore mandates to exclude unvaccinated people for their jobs, shops, entertainment, friends, etc are not justified.
The salient points from it are:-
(1) “Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.”
(2) Susceptibility to infection after vaccination increases with time as soon as 2–3 months after vaccination;
(3) Vaccine effectiveness at preventing infection (regardless of symptoms) with delta in the household setting to be 34%
(4) Secondary attack rate [SAR – how well the first infected person infected other people in the household] was 41% among unvaccinated and 38% in fully vaccinated contacts; (nearly identical)
(5) Peak viral load increases with age, proving for the millionth time that this disease is bad for old/sick people.
Household settings are similar to workplaces, shops, malls, bars, large gatherings, so where’s the justification for mandates?
There goes the narrative that “anti vax” protesters are all right wing.
Good for Social Credit for at least knowing the facts around Covid. Better than the majority of shiwis.
I’m a swing voter. Next election all I have in my mind is not Labour. Ugh.
So far it’s slim pickings. Social Credit is up there with the Outdoors Party.
When the masses finally disconnect from their official news networks and realise the damage that has been done Labour will once again be under 20%. Good riddance to bad governance.
No doubt the unvaccinated may have a right to a job, but surely employers have a countervailing right to refuse employment to those they consider would make unsatisfactory employees. The unvaccinated would certainly meet this criterion on health and safety grounds.
I have always had something of a soft spot for Social Credit but after the above posting I think they should stick to monetary theory, where they at least have some credibility.
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