A Conversation That Never Happened.


WELLINGTON HARBOUR was always worth looking at. Sipping thoughtfully at his cup of Earl Grey, Adam Freeman took in the comforting vista. He was in need of comfort, he told himself, after what he could only describe as a very odd meeting. Bamboozling the public was one thing, the preservation of national security more or less required a certain amount of economy with the truth. But bamboozling ourselves, he thought, not to mention our minister, that’s dangerous. Seeing things clearly, he had always assumed, was the Alpha and the Omega of keeping the nation secure.

A gentle knock on his office door, interrupted these uneasy musings. He looked up to see the youthful countenance of Matthew Stubbs. Youthful but full of care, Adam thought to himself. The young IT wizard looked as worried as he felt.

“Come in, Matthew,” he said placing his teacup carefully on its saucer. “What can I do for you?”

“Forgive the interruption, Sir,” the young man replied, “but I was wondering if I could share some thoughts with you in confidence.”

“Depends on the thoughts, Matthew. Depends on the thoughts.”

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The young man smiled wanly. “I suppose it does, Sir, yes.”

“Sit down, then, won’t you, and let’s find out.”

Matthew seated himself in the nearest of the comfortable leather chairs positioned to one side of his superior’s desk. Adam swung round to face him.

“Well then, let’s have it. What are these thoughts that require my utmost confidence and discretion?”

“All that stuff about the Microsoft Exchange hack being sponsored by the Chinese Ministry of State Security that we fed to the Minister.”


“Well, I just don’t think it’s true, Sir. I mean, I don’t see how it could possibly be true.”

“Go on.” Inwardly, Adam breathed a huge sigh of relief. He wasn’t the only one who thought this intel was dodgy.

“Well, Sir, the MSS has absolutely nothing to gain by going after Microsoft Exchange. It’s not its style – way too public. The MSS would never draw attention to its activities in so dramatic a fashion. I mean, there is absolutely nothing in it for them to have the world believing Beijing is reading its e-mails. The motto of the MSS’s hackers has always been: ‘Nobody knows that we went in, and nobody knows what we took out’. I just don’t believe it was them.”

“You’re not buying the ‘Advanced Persistent Threat 40’ linkage, Matthew?”

“APT 40? No, Sir. They’re just a bunch of varsity students, MSS interns probably, looking to earn brownie points with their future bosses. They’d never dream of hacking Microsoft without the express backing of the highest military and party authorities. And, as I said, the highest authorities would never expose the PRC to the sort of global outrage that the exposure of such an operation would inevitably entail.”

Adam leaned forward, fixing the young man with his best basilisk glare. “So, if it wasn’t the MSS, and it wasn’t APT 40, then who was it?”

“Best guess, Sir? It wasn’t the Chinese at all. My money, as always, would be on the Russians. Oh, I know, I know, it’s possible that the hack could have been the work of a Chinese criminal operation. Thing is, Sir, crime gangs like that don’t really exist in the PRC. Security and surveillance is just too all-enveloping. Which isn’t to say that corruption isn’t rampant throughout Chinese society. But acquiring and selling real estate by illegal means is one thing; endangering the security of the state by going after a software giant like Microsoft, well, that’s something else altogether. Get caught doing something like that, and it’s bullet-in-the-back-of-the-head time – no mucking ‘round.”

Adam, nodded grimly.

“But, Russia’s different.” Matthew continued – warming to his subject. “In Russia, corruption isn’t a bug – it’s a feature. Where the Chinese still believe in the possibility of a perfected world, the Russians have embraced chaos as their friend. Russian nationalists know that with the break-up of the Soviet Union, the geopolitical heft required to claim – let alone maintain – great power status just isn’t there anymore. The people who matter in the Russian Federation know their country is getting weaker, and that there’s not a lot they can do to reverse it. So, they have, quite correctly, concluded that the only viable geopolitical strategy available to them is to make their principal rivals even weaker. To tip them into an even tighter spiral of decline.”

“Am I to take from that, Matthew, that you buy into the ‘Trump As Russian Trojan Horse’ argument?”

“To a certain extent, Sir. But, honestly, I don’t think Putin and the FSB are all that interested in complex plans. Their strategy is much more one of manufacturing as many dragon’s teeth as they can, and sowing them wherever they can. That’s why it’s so difficult to separate the Russian state from the Russian criminal fraternity. The Kremlin likes – and needs – a revolving-door of plausibly deniable cut-outs. If a plan works, they’ll claim it as their own. If it fails, then those involved will either be made examples of in a courtroom cage, or buried in a lonely forest clearing.

“So, if you’re ‘Chaos Theory’ is correct, Matthew, then the Russians wouldn’t hesitate to penetrate and disable Microsoft Exchange. The more mayhem the merrier?”

“Exactly, Sir.”

“And the same strategy isn’t available to the Chinese?”

“Not really, Sir. Above all else, the Chinese prize order. Chaos terrifies them. Chaos is what follows when the Mandate of Heaven is withdrawn. Chaos is proof that you’ve failed. And, from what I’ve observed over the past few years, the Communist Party of China doesn’t really ‘do’ failure. Which is why I was so surprised to hear the Director-General attribute the Microsoft hack to the Chinese Government with such certainty – and to the Minister, of all people! I mean we don’t really ‘do’ certainty – do we Sir?”

Adam leaned back in his chair and chuckled. He’d picked Matthew Stubbs as a high-flyer from the day he joined the Bureau, and he was congratulating himself heartily for his perspicacity. Had he not been feeling quite so pleased with himself, then perhaps he would not have responded to Matthew’s question so fulsomely.

“No, Matthew, you’re quite right, we don’t ‘do’ certainty – not in matters of national security – not unless we’re told.”

Matthew’s brow furrowed theatrically. “I’m sorry, Sir?”

“Oh come on, Matthew, join the dots?” Truth to tell, Adam was only just joining the dots himself. Even so, he was quite sure he’s solved the puzzle that had been worrying him and his young protégé. “

“ Think, Matthew, think! The news about the ‘Pegasus’ intercepts hits the front pages all over North America and Europe. The whole world is treated to a cautionary tale involving the Israelis, one of their plausibly deniable cut-outs – the mysterious NSO Group – and a piece of spyware that allows all manner of dubious regimes to take over the cellphones of political and/or journalistic irritants and transform them into more-or-less continuous transmitters of high-grade, and potentially fatal, intelligence.”

“Fatal, Sir?”

“Fatal, Matthew. How do you think the Saudi Crown Prince knew exactly where to send his team of assassins to chop up poor old Jamal Khashoggi? Pegasus, Matthew, Pegasus. Not the sort of story that reflects too well upon our Five Eyes friends and their friends – is it? Especially when all of us are using Pegasus – or something as close to it as makes little difference – to keep tabs on our own ‘irritants’. Besides, start people thinking about Western-sponsored hacking, and pretty soon they’ll be remembering Stuxnet and all the fun the Israelis and Americans had wrecking the Iranians’ centrifuges.”


“Yes, Mathew, ‘Ah.’ Ah, with bells on! So, what is the standard operating procedure when the misdeeds of the West’s intelligence gathering agencies are making the headlines?”

“Distraction by way of Projection, Sir. We immediately accuse our enemies of doing exactly what we’ve been doing. Nothing resonates so forcefully with the mainstream news media like an accusation packed with the raw emotional power of psychological projection. Lay a trail using that as bait and the newshounds are off like foxhounds.”

“Matthew, I am supremely confident that you have a very bright future with the Bureau – providing you remember one thing.”

“What’s that, Sir?”

“Conversations like this one never happen.”

“What conversation, Sir?”


  1. More interesting would be a hypothetical tying identity politics, critical race theory and the deliberate fracturing of western society to Chinese money. They certainly benefit from their opposing bloc tearing itself apart.

    Of course the CCP benefit by hacking and further sowing chaos in the west , I don’t think Sun Tzu was American was he?

  2. Whether it’s the Russians or the Chinese, state sponsored cyber attacks should not be tolerated.

    Anyway nobody should believe anything coming out of the NZ ministries who hide incompetence by blaming others! https://www.treasury.govt.nz/news-and-events/news/further-statement-gabriel-makhlouf

    “Departing Treasury boss Gabriel Makhlouf acted unreasonably when he described a leak of Budget information as being “deliberately and systematically hacked”, a State Services Commission investigation has found.

    The SSC report also criticised Makhlouf’s failure to take responsibility for the security flaws which led to the breach, with State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes saying he focused more on the actions of the National Party than his own accountability.

    However, the Treasury Secretary will not face any formal action despite the stinging criticisms, with Hughes suggesting his hands were tied given Makhlouf’s imminent departure”

  3. When engineering a genocide.

    Step 1 put yourself first on the list.

    Step 2 put your children last on the list so they can see how much of a dumb arse you are.

  4. Here Chris is writing which comes much closer to the truth than the ostensibly “factual” material being put out by the colonialist government and its media.
    This is the way all such regimes end, with fiction masquerading as fact, and fact as fiction till no one knows what they should believe. Many, many New Zealanders no longer believe anything that they are told by their government, whether it relates to great power rivalry, Covid-19, global warming or a host of other issues of sentinel importance to the nation. However, even as a committed opponent of the colonialist regime, I believe that we have discriminate by separately examining each case. Yes, in the Five Eyes Alliance we are dealing with a bunch of habitual liars. Yes, they are “almost certainly” lying about Chinese cyber intelligence. But even compulsive liars occasionally tell the truth, so frustrating though it may be we will have to continue examining and debating each case for so long as the regime endures.

  5. Chris, your logic fails at the first step. Look at Google. They were hacked by the Chinese several years ago, and threw out their old desktop management approach as a result. Also last year large portions of internet traffic were found to have been re-routed to Chinese routers through poisoning of routing tables.
    So there are already examples in the wild of obvious, and discoverable, attacks that are credibly sheeted home to Chinese state actors.
    Dare I say it Chris, you seem to have become quite the Sinophile lately.

    • Perhaps because of fear…seeing as we have not pursued an independent foreign policy and have not worked towards a virtual and sustainable social democratic albeit nationalistic rebuilding despite the nation weakening worm of neo liberalism and globalism.

      I can understand Trotters viewpoint.

      • yes but deluding yourself about an issue with discoverable and verifiable facts to suit an emotional bias is not a good way to live.

  6. Very, very tasty, Mr Chris Trotter. Its ‘ hit the nail on the head time’ at TDB.

    Dammit! , you need a song, … lemme think. About the best one I can think of at the time is this one from Larry Norman. I hope you enjoy it.

    Larry Norman – The Great American Novel

    Indeed, penned a while back, but the same old, same old,… the same things happen now as it has from the time of the political intrigues of the Sumerians and Egyptians.

    Humanity has never really changed.. Truth remains the same. I’d say you are, in the same vein, … along the lines of Larry Norman, calling out power for the corruption it all too often and unfortunately indulges in at the cost of human life and the planet.

    Good stewardship, both socially and planetary,… seems that it is not generally in the vocabulary of humanity’s dialogue. Especially of those who deem themselves rulers and the wielders of power.

  7. Why Louise Wall? Do the FBI / CIA have something on her?

    I bet she’s done all sorts of nasty business that would end her political career.

  8. Well if it happens as Biden has said and he’s readying for War with China.
    It looks like Gen Y & Z are up! A Cyber War baby!
    At least that’ll shut those whiney little fucks up for the next 20 years or so! 🙂


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