For shame Jacinda! $2.75m to the Mongrel Mob and NOTHING for Mike King???

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Before I put the boot in, let me be crystal clear that I support meth rehabilitation programs.

I don’t believe there is any way we can heal the horror of meth by policing alone. Meth is a hell of a drug that causes enormous suffering while destroying the fabric of society but heavy handed war on drugs shit doesn’t work.

We know current meth rehab programs are not sufficient and we urgently need money more to start helping heal people from their meth addictions.

To that end I do salute and support $2.75 million to the Mongrel Mob who are the very definition of difficult to reach addicts for a program to help people kick meth.

However.

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Is the business model of giving gangs meth rehab money so that gang members addicted to meth (who can’t sell enough meth) get drug money taken from gangs to help their members kick meth addiction so they can sell more meth?

Is this the circle of life?

Targeting gang members for rehab is one thing, giving them the money to do it is another  right?

I can not see the logic in handing $2.75million (ironically from the proceeds of crimes) to the Mongrel Mob when someone like Mike King who is providing 15000 hours of counseling (compared to the 20000 hours provided by the mental health ministry for a fraction of the cost) and yet Mike gets fucking nothing!

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing for the Mob to not get that rehab, I’m arguing that if we can give them $2.75m, we sure as Christ should be funding Mike’s Gumboot Day!

It is shameful that this Government are effectively telling Mike he needs to form a gang and sell meth before we will find his amazing work.

For shame Prime Minister – for shame!

 

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99 COMMENTS

  1. The money going into drug rehab programmes is coming from the Proceeds of Crime Act, and if I am not mistaken, what is happening now, was set in place by a previous government.
    Please don’t play into Judith Collins’ hands.

    • Maybe some of that crime proceeds could go to Mike King and his cause. I am sure that some of the kids that need councelling are coming from households where meth is an issue, as is violence and such.
      All you are saying is that Labour can either walk or chew gum, but they can’t do both. But then Mike made dear Leader look bad when giving back his ‘feel good’ medal that came with no commitment.

      • Any money for Mike King will not come from the proceeds of crime act, the law itself would prevent that.
        I just wish people would tell the whole truth, and start with the truth in their fucking headlines

    • I keep hearing the ‘previous government’ excuse but doesn’t this Labour government have control of the legislative levers now, a mandate to make or change laws as they see fit? Labour control the spend now, not National.

      • Yes Ethan, they do. The problem is the media an opposition are at the ready with the gallotine as with the “Demand the Debate” statement.
        FoldArt has made a factual statement yet people are still at the blame everything at Labours feet scenario.

      • Before the current administration can change anything, they have to know what needs changing… This is largely dependent on what their department heads decide to tell them.. Otherwise, it’s up to them personally to do their research.. Anyone who’s familiar with the methods by which ministries keep their new ministers too busy to turn around, let alone think for themselves will know just how big a mountain it is that has to be climbed before a minister has any meaningful control.. That is, of course, unless the minister in question has the same agenda as the ministry.. Any ideas on how National ministers were able to look so in charge of their ministries? Nothing to do with the fact that they were already happy to let the monsters loose on the poor and vulnerable? Even real labour people (unionists, tradespeople, etc) would struggle to get past the sabotage by demigods that are supposed to implement their policies… What chance someone who’s never taken the brunt of their monstrosity…

        • fair enough comment stefan,HOWEVER this is a second term government. They appear not to have learnt a great deal and to care even less about the appalling living standards of kiwis. They have unannounced agendas they are happily promoting while ignoring constructive comment and information coming from the Energy sector, the Agricultural sector, the Retail sector the Health sector, the Housing and construction sector, the Transport sector etc etc. Whilst grabbing every available photo opportunity to appear to be doing when they are simply not. They are about resource grabs, and finding more to sell to China while ignoring the plight of Kiwis. There are no more excuses they are useless and full of shit.!

    • Yes of course they are getting back the proceeds back they made from selling meth dosent surprise me if it starts a chain reaction. Ooh Aah CHAIN GANG !!!! Mike King you’ve been hard done by May be the government’s colour blind. Help the man that helps the people race colour creed docent matter he helps them all.

  2. In other news Phillip Morris are now a cornerstone partner in (little) Aotearoa’s smokefree campaign and KFC/Coke are teaming up to fund anti child obesity.

    As far as the funding for the gangs meth program. I’m looking for someone to explain at 30k a pop how mowing the bosses’ lawn and pumping iron at the local gym is going to cure your meth addiction. This is a stich up – you would have to be naïve to believe otherwise.

      • On what basis? I’m all ears if you can explain how gang members with meth addiction get off their addiction by creating gardens for their chapter boss, going for walks and pumping iron.

        And lets remember no funding for gumboot day, no further funding for starship, pharmac etc.

        • So, you would just send them all to for-profit Serco, at a cost of $100,000 p/a to taxpayers?
          (And if they ever get out, they’re stuffed up worse than when they went in.)

          • 2 different issues – incarceration and substance addiction. I am not a fan of private prisons more so properly funding our current ones.

            I’m shocked that many can’t see that giving gangs money to solve addiction when they were likely the source of the addiction in the first place and are still distributing the same drugs is pure idiocy.

            Is there going to be any checks and balance with this program?

            • Frank why do you continue to perpetuate lies, the gangs aren’t getting any money for fuck sakes open you ears man the Marae is getting the funding to deliver meth programmes for meth addicts. So far what we have and have had or not had hasn’t worked so its time for a different approach. People get mental on meth they lose their marbles and need help whether they be a seller or users many sell to pay for use its a known fact.

            • 2 different issues – incarceration and substance addiction.

              They SHOULD be two separate issues, with adequate services and programs for each. All too often they’re lumped in together, which is avoidance of dealing with the problem.

          • You are right, as we all know, you can’t keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
            The ONLY way you will get any reform in gangs is with them on board, and if you truly want to see an end to gang criminality then you need to accept that the change must come from within, and give it a chance

    • In other news, National MP upgrades from sofa purchase to mansion using taxpayer money. Taxpayers Union no where to be seen.

    • And this link puts the National/ACT government to shame. The type of incident that had been going on because of Nationals failure to fund mental health… 2016

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125733429/no-access-to-mental-health-records-and-no-mental-health-nurse-when-man-visited-waikato-hospital-days-before-death

      “There was also no mental health nurse working permanently in the emergency department, a situation which has since changed. There is now a mental health nurse working night shifts.
      “It was a “daily occurrence” for patients to get fed up waiting and leave before being seen by a doctor, and there was “overwhelming demand” in ED.
      Patients had recently been waiting up to 10 hours to see a doctor.”

      You see Andrew, this is why as a health professional I constantly return to why we are at the place we are now, bearing in mind Mike King is not happy, he took up advocacy BECAUSE of National government/ACT abysmal funding of mental health.

      • And nothing has improved since Labour has taken control of the cheque book. My wife works at the mental health unit at Waikato Hospital and went to work two nights ago and found 3 high risk mental health patients sleeping on the couches in the common room area???

        “Oh but we’re spending billions on mental health” – A Little. Bullshit Andrew, probably hiring more administrators who have passed all the ethnic and diversity check boxes, and who have meetings about all the meetings their having.

        Jacindas New Zealand is a nightmare for some, and is getting worse

        • So what is your suggestion to make things better Bg cause one solution in my view is to fully fund the new Maori Health Authority.

        • I also work across HRBC and if you stopped to understand why the situation around bed capacity arose, just think Nationals immigration policy , one million in 10 years. Hardly surprising there’s no space. You’ll be pleased to know Labour have a new build plan for that facility as it is outdated and over capacity. Therefore your post is just a right wing narrative a ttacking a forward thinking government. Oh by the way tge new facility won’t be built overnight so what are both your and Nationals suitable?
          National is responsible you need to accept that.

        • Reread pal, Labour have introduced full-time mental health in ED. I suggest you talk bullshit and Andrew Little is right. Try harder.

        • The first couple of years were finding out just how much damage National left behind. What do you think an acceptable time frame Alan for recovery, then implementation for improvements?
          Or are you in the overnight brigade? Or do you follow the right wing mantra of the Christchurch earthquake and GFC slowed National progress given Christchurch are still “hanging on” as they suffer all these years later at the hands of a National/ ACT/Maori government of the time?

        • Not so.
          Not until the end of this year will it be four years since they were able to be part of a Coalition govt, when they could begin an attempt to turn some things around within that coalition framework.

  3. Absolutely, if they have any genuine care for Mental Health services then they should not have to think for two seconds before funding Mike King’s efforts.

    Who is causing the delay and hesitation with this?

  4. God I hope she reads your blog. Or hopefully Clarke reads it and shows her. But I suspect not. It’s downright cynical and disgusting.

  5. We have to do something about the scourge of meth its no good moaning about the gangs and calling them scum and lowlifes. Meth is devastating our communities and destroying families and our gangs aren’t the only ones peddling it. All the proceeds from Meth related crimes needs to go back into trying to fix the problem.

    • Meths really is destroying so many lives, so many communities.
      It is Covid in slower motion, yet never treated with the same urgency.

  6. We have to do something about the scourge of meth its no good moaning about the gangs and calling them scum and lowlifes. Meth is devastating our communities and destroying families and our gangs aren’t the only ones peddling it. All the proceeds from Meth related crimes needs to go back into trying to fix the problem.

  7. We have to do something about the scourge of meth its no good moaning about the gangs and calling them scum and lowlifes. Meth is devastating our communities and destroying families and our gangs aren’t the only ones peddling it. All the proceeds from Meth related crimes needs to go back into trying to fix the problem. Meth use also exacerbates mental health I see it on our streets with some of those begging. To compare this to Mike Kings issue is a low blow and uncalled for, stop playing people of I get sick of the divide and conquer bullshit.

    • I agree.
      Meths is horrific – I have seen the effects.

      This is not an either-or issue, it is both, and they should not be played off against each other.

  8. We have to do something about the scourge of meth its no good moaning about the gangs and calling them scum and lowlifes. Meth is devastating our communities and destroying families and our gangs aren’t the only ones peddling it. All the proceeds from Meth related crimes needs to go back into trying to fix the problem. Meth use also exacerbates mental health I see it on our streets with some of those begging. To compare this to Mike Kings issue is a low blow and uncalled for, stop playing people of I get sick of the divide and conquer bullshit.

    • Meths is devastating entire communities, with horrible speed and permanent harm.
      If only the govt could understand the urgency and prioritise it, as they did with Covid.

  9. Its a bad look when state house tenants are nailing their doors shut because of gang intimidation to them.

    I see past the hyperbole with the meth, has anyone else noticed that the amount of Meth they seem to be seizing from NZ gangs is not very sizeable sometimes under 1 kg or just a few Kg’s? Clearly they are looking in the wrong place for where this Meth is actually coming from and it’s distribution, because the news seems to have much higher volumes coming into NZ than the small amounts the NZ gangs seem to have after years of international surveillance.

    Hong Kong man jailed 15 years for smuggling HK$1b Ice haul into New Zealand
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/2093822/hong-kong-man-jailed-15-years-smuggling-hk1-billion-ice

    HK$11m worth of crystal meth imported into New Zealand disguised as chicken stock
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/2081830/hk11m-worth-crystal-meth-smuggled-new-zealand-disguised

    Final chapter in NZ’s biggest drug bust: 27yrs’ jail after 500kg meth haul
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/jared-savage-final-chapter-in-nzs-biggest-drug-bust-27yrs-jail-after-500kg-meth-haul/

    Customs has seized an estimated 469 kg of methamphetamine hidden inside a shipment of electric motors, and arrested three men in connection with the drugs.
    https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us/news/media-releases/customs-biggest-methamphetamine-seizure/

    Detailed examination found 49kg of methamphetamine concealed within a shipment of safety lights.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/meth-seizure-worth-50m-south-islands-biggest-ever/V7JCUAVHX4TKD3FFA42DFG6NJQ/

    Police have seized over 44 kilograms of methamphetamine – half of which was concealed inside a bathtub – as part of an operation targeting the import of the drug and associated money laundering
    https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/police-seize-44kgs-meth-major-drug-operation-auckland

    Police have seized more than 200 kilograms of methamphetamine and arrested two people in Auckland.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114877370/massive-drug-operation-in-auckland-seizes-200kg-of-meth

    Nor has there been much prosecution of money laundering from businesses operating in NZ or bringing in the drugs. A 4 month detention in your pent house in NZ, isn’t much of a deterrent to moneylaundering https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11905478 or just getting off completely https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115157974/woman-discharged-without-conviction-for-laundering-money-for-international-drug-ring

    Still waiting to see if this profitable business with millions in cash in rubbish bags and millions of cigarettes gets found not guilty or gets a siap on the wrist. They already have name suppression for hardship with millions in cash in rubbish bags, crime certainly pays if you fit the right profile in NZ and can afford a QC who is president of the law society! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115014183/cigarette-smuggling-case-defendants-keep-names-secret-to-protect-children-employees

    Clearly making millions in illegal cigarettes and drugs and other cash contraband, then having cash to buy up NZ property and assets has an effect on the property market, health system and workers who do legitimate jobs and pay taxes! As well as the mental health of those who are working in a broken system, where crime seems to pay a lot more than $20 p/h taxed and are police and media and politicians really targeting the offenders equally?

    Seems like a double standard with who gets branded the drug and money laundering king pings to the actual reality of where the big hauls are coming from (imports) and how they are being distributed and money laundered here. Who gets name suppression and who does not.

    It is clearly a difficult job for police due to the complexity and shear amount of problems facing NZ.

    Solution, Lets put in bogus new laws like ‘hate speech’ so that resources which should be utilised fully on stopping the illegal drug/cigarette/sex/money laundering trade in NZ, is instead derailed to pronoun abuse to the woke victims getting alarmed and triggered every day by emails they don’t like.

    • Yes your right Savenz also our media have highlighted how much dirty money the gangs had but if we look at the last group of four Chinese that just recently got caught they had MUCH MORE millions of dirty money than all the gangs monies put together. And the group of Tongans that got caught smuggling meth in by flash boats were working for cartels.

      • The authorities only want to acknowledge the NZ and OZ gangs, not Asian or foreign gangs or anyone else. Now the cartels have got wise and when organising mass drug imports get stupid locals to do the picks ups and if they get caught, no worries. Police getting excited about 1 kg of Meth seem to be feeding into that discourse.

        How racist is our justice system and how racist is our race relations authority that seems to keep piggy backing money for Maori at the bottom of every statistic and adding Asian to it (at the top of every statistic). When Asians don’t show up as being victimised, they successfully lobby to get more money to try and prove it! Look on the streets and see who is victimised here and go to the justice and see who repeatedly gets off. Seems to be mis direction aka allowing Asian and other foreign cartels and criminals into NZ while pretending they don’t exist and it’s all NZ gangs and the 501’s.

        501’s might be stupider but it’s the smarter gangs, cartels and individuals peddling meth and other drugs successfully that worry me the most, and probably infiltrating the police and security services as we speak.

      • I noticed MSM seem to have removed the tiny amounts of drugs found in the MSM by police. Some were just 600 grams of Meth. Where are the 200kg arrests????

        It is scary if authorities are going after easy targets for money for proceeds of crime, when our taxes for police should be spent making our country safe and real investigations – aka proceeds to crime from Meth serious offenders who so far don’t seem to be discovered by police here and won’t be if the police are allowed to pretend it’s the NZ gangs bringing it in – from what I can work out, it’s not them.

  10. You are forgetting that the Mongrel Mob did not annoy the government by handing back their awards for service they gave the community. ( Read that with a straight face if you can).
    Kia kaha Mike! Nils despardium, Nils carborundium( do not let the bastards grind you down).

  11. Because Mike King thinks being loud means you don’t have to follow the process everyone else does? Clearly the Monrel mob are making more effort in the real world while King generates headlines?

    • Lol. Just Lol. You say with a straight face that this is due to the procedural efficiency of the gangs. Lol.

  12. Yes our mental health areas need more money, resources and qualified workers. I have seen it first hand how mental health services are struggling when having to commit my sister under the mental health act to compulsory medication. But throwing ones toys out of ones cot will not help nor will playing causes and groups of against one another for much needed and stretched putea.

      • Yes National are in the prof creating a separate ministry, it’s called Strike Force Raptor, funded by the return all guns to the people campaign. Homeless people tossed back onto the streets and in cars will be metered for overnight stays and this will also fund said ministry.

        Kheala, you are right however, a separate ministry is exactly what is required such is the now population of our country.

        • It would be a sizeable Ministry from the get-go:
          – Meths addiction and effects
          – Other drug and alcohol addictions
          – Depression and suicide
          – Family violence victims and perps
          – The growing wave of dementia
          – PTSD and recovery after events
          – Those in recovery from childhood trauma, including those who were abused in State Care
          – Violent abuse – the victims and the perps
          Etc etc etc

            • And, LOUISA WALL should head this Ministry

              Dump the Racing portfolio, if they think they have too many, – ditch it.

              And begin the new Mental Health Ministry, with Louisa Wall at the head of it. She is the one and only MP who could take this on and get it right.

              • “Labour’s Louisa Wall has been an MP for 13 years but has never held a ministerial portfolio, and (Jacinda) says it’s because there’s no room for her in Cabinet. ”

                From this link

  13. When we had our first National John Key led government from 2008 – 2011, that was when New Zealand had real bad issues with methamphetamine usage. Barely did a week go by that we didn’t see on the television news the devastating effects that this so called ‘new’ drug, P, was having on the lives of its users. It was very scary for a nation who was still at that time largely made up of christian conservatives, myself included.

    Yet by John Key’s second term in power, there was scant mention of the issue on television any longer. The issue hadn’t been resolved. People were still using Methamphetamine. However, the National government set it’s sights on tackling other drugs such as party pills and synthetic cannabis.
    Gang members using Methamphetamine, the numbers of which increased year upon year, were largely ignored by National at that point because a larger segment of the population had started using synthetic cannabis or party pills.

    So I do see a need for the Mongrel Mob, one of this nation’s largest, most established gangs, with the most powerful presence, to have $2.75million, finally, to curb methamphetamine usage. It’s not actually they much, and they’ve been waiting twelve years for the funds.

    However, I do think that there are other programs where the funding should be reestablished also. I agree with others that the Salvation Army could do with some increased funding. I believe their Bridge Programme, which provided counseling and treatment for alcohol and drug addicts, which was an incredible success between 2012 – 2017, could be reestablished and funded by the Labour government.

    But why is the onus on the government of the day and not on wealthy individuals who control the nation’s wealth? More homeless, more children in poverty, more problem gamblers, etc, and yet the wealthy conservatives, who disproportionately own real estate, get to stick to and play by the old rules of moderate to low taxation, limited capital gains taxation, liberal transfer of wealth laws re family trusts, little or no inheritance taxation, no wealth tax, and generous depreciation allowances. Why is that still the case? In amidst a global pandemic? It doesn’t seem quite right.

  14. Yes your right Savenz also our media have highlighted how much dirty money the gangs had but if we look at the last group of four Chinese that just recently got caught they had MUCH MORE millions of dirty money than all the gangs monies put together. And the group of Tongans that got caught smuggling meth in by flash boats were working for cartels.

  15. Totally agree Martyn. Which is why yesterday morning, I wrote to the wonderful Mr Little and said exactly the same thing. I encourage you all to send a 2 para email to AL telling him, how unfair this is and dare I say it, petty. Gumboot Friday needs our support and the gang initiative (no matter how worthy) may be the lever we need.

  16. What I find frustrating is the media’s total lack of investigation into the $2.75M, seeming to rely solely on information fed to them for obvious reasons. What we need to know is how this money is being used and what control/audits surround it; yet I’ve seen nothing about this. Whilst I would agree that giving money to gangs for meth addiction programmes is hugely ironical, if it is demonstrating positive results, go for it – nothing else has worked up to now.

  17. I also find it super annoying that press/government is going on about $200 koha. For Fucks sake, we have 1/2 ha of prime Auckland land sold for $3million from Auckland Council, but there is more press about theiving gangs and $200 Koha, while decades of wringing our hands because there is apparently zero land in Auckland to build affordable houses on (really CAB for $3million looks good?).

    Not to mention Rio Tinto, free power for decades while you throw your toxic waste in townships and government gives you immunity. Look closer, NZ has become dysfunctional!

  18. Thanks your kind message covid.
    $2.75 million is a substantial sum no matter what you call it.
    I thought the definition of Koha was a gift or donation?

    • Its about reciprocity, when one group hosts you then you give something back. Your explanation is a modern Pakeha spin on our cultural practice.

  19. Some of the comments today saying it’s ok to peddle drugs because someone else has done it on a larger scale is like saying murdering only one person is ok because other people have committed mass murder?

    • “Ban alcohol NOW!”

      …. I think that’s what J’s saying?? .
      (Just trying to understand)
      ..After all, it does lead to many deaths. And they still have these murderous bottle shops close to schools and dairies. And advertise this murderous substance on tv. Surely he is right, there are indeed different laws for different folks.

      (Read as sarcasm or not, …whatever.)

      • NOTE: I am not, repeat, NOT calling for alcohol to be banned.

        I AM noting the sizeable discrepancy in the law, which allows and even promotes the use of some harmful substances while banning or de-legitimising, or stigmatising, the use of others which are less harmful in their effects on our wider communities. (And only made the comment in the process of trying to decipher someone else’s confusing claim.)

  20. I’m still waiting for my reparations from when the Mighty Mongrel Mob stood over me for my studded wrist band in Chch square back when I was a skinny16yo Punk Rocker out and about on his own

    I demand justice Jacinda!

    In other news giving money to the mob to sort out their drug issues is like setting up a needle exchange and staffing it with using addicts (yes this is a true story). I mean what could go wrong?!

    • Well, well, well…

      I too was beaten up by a gang in CHCH – My hair was “too long”. It was early evening, I’d gone down to post a letter (back in the day). They were wearing knuckle dusters, which I did not know until my face was smashed in – A few decades later one eye still gives me trouble.

      Escaping them I found I could leap high walls and fences (sadly that never happened again) – when they now drove at me in fast cars. I didn’t make it home – got to a friend’s flat – bleeding – They called the cops.

      The ever-so-friendly cop advised to NOT take the matter any further. He knew the “boys” involved, and more importantly he knew their dads. One was on the CHCH city council; one was a bank manager. The friendly cop said, “You can’t win this”.

      That gang of thuggies were all dead-white, pasty and anaemic looking, bored, wealthy, with their own fast cars.

      I let the matter drop, and took up karate lessons for a term or so.

  21. The only way to solve street drug problems is to decriminalise ALL street drugs.
    And I mean ALL street drugs. Allow [them] to be freely available to anyone wanting them and invest that $2.7 mil into education and rehabilitation.
    Rather than bashing and blaming lets try supporting and nurturing?
    By neutralising the clearly highly lucrative illegal street drugs market you’d starve the gangs into a withering husk and the members of which would eventually disappear back into society. And drug users could finally get what they pay for. Proper gear.

    • I agree, as hard as it is to accept it with some of the stuff around. It makes infinite sense to me to pull the money rug out from under the crims, especially those getting this stuff into the country.
      It is clear that the path we are currently on is not working, let’s try something else.

  22. Mike was asked to fill out a form.
    He failed
    To do so and subsequently missed out on the funding he would undoubtably have received.
    Hopefully he can reapply somewhere in the system.
    This article is nothing but a beat up along with those who only want to rant about the government.
    Why not look up some of the government publications available on line and actually get some facts before indulging in perpetrating misinformation.

    • Mike King is something of a hero and an inspiration to some of us. What he was doing helped me through some pretty dark times when even close friends and family were unable to do so. Sorry if we care about some things more than you think we should?

  23. House price inflation aligns with population growth, which was at its highest between 2008 and 2017 under National. Did National care? No they believed a strong economy was based on immigration. Now we don’t have enough houses.

    • Add to that, a million increase in 10 years and National spent little on social services to accommodate such an increase. And people blame Labour. Shame on National!

  24. Frank why do you continue to perpetuate lies, the gangs aren’t getting any money for fuck sakes open you ears man the Marae is getting the funding to deliver meth programmes for meth addicts. So far what we have and have had or not had hasn’t worked so its time for a different approach. People get mental on meth they lose their marbles and need help whether they be a seller or users many sell to pay for use its a known fact.

    • People get mental on meth

      That is a huge understatement. It is not like other drugs.
      Unless someone has seen for themselves the extraordinary, rapid and horrific effects it can have on otherwise placid-natured people, it is difficult to understand. I have seen its effects on people I’ve known, and I’ve still been unable to comprehend what happened.

      …A beautiful young girl, normally sweet natured, suddenly slashing her dad’s face with a carving knife, when she adored him, and he was one of the most gentle people I have known. (There are many, many more examples.)

      Here is a link on withdrawal effects, this by a US MD:
      https://www.withdrawal.net/amphetamine/crystal-meth/
      In particular, “people who come down from meth may lose touch with reality and become violent or aggressive. They can also become suicidal.”

      The cold, clinical words are one thing. They don’t convey what it’s like, for everyone around. The reality is different again – Just seeing it, stays with you forever.

  25. So what is your suggestion to make things better Bg cause one solution in my view is to fully fund the new Maori Health Authority.

  26. Its about reciprocity John, when one group hosts you then you give something back. Your explanation is a modern Pakeha spin on our cultural practice.

  27. Remember Labour Party campaign promise to build thousands of houses,from memory called Kiwi Build.Not to mention almost every other campaign promise by Labour not delivered.
    They have had 4 years to do something but instead gone off on an ideological journey which was not part of their election manifesto.
    Simply inept.

  28. Huge No to backing towards Gangs like the mongrel mob to get off what they have done they have no Mana when it comes to family. They can sell gear of my childrens property and keep me and all my extended family from the children for protection of what they did in ramarama.
    I have borderline personality disorder from people like the mongrel mob and meth users.
    My ancestors from Nuhaka so called Ngati Kahungungu David John Ngahine Norman is my koro can’t even go up in the marae even though he fought in the Korea war so I also understand some of the mental illness left behind.
    While ex family and his partners mongrel mob family and more can run a drug trade out of a property where children were for mongrel mob profits.
    Made me do a 1 year hair follicle.
    Using the Angels against me.
    Funny how Jacinda and the Maoris and child bashing organisation Oranga Tamariki can single out one person. Hide the Mongral mob Association.
    I am Te maro Aute given name handed down from my ancestors.
    Mongral mob do not stick to any values of the so called Maori they preach. This is all a cover like Mike King says.
    It should be going to borderline personality disorders I’m family court sector from kids been torn apart and gaslighted as it’s a environmental disease.
    Jacinda Ardern is only playing a devils game. I’m on Mike Kings side for mental health and anguish and emotional trauma the mongral mob
    men especially cause.
    Shut oranga Tamariki down. All the children need that work too.
    Even the mongral mob are bias in wrong way of Maori ,Out with the old Maori.
    Maybe give Raukura a proper standing and put into her nzqa grants and places like kahui tu kaha
    Where it’s development is not stuck on an old stubborn way. Time for the shift.So we can fall back in love with Maori again.
    And not resist because of old privileged kaupapa.
    Its new Zealand now not Maori.
    Maori is holding us back.
    Over jealousy too that needs heavy work change that in the darkness of maori.
    Cast out mother’s In New Zealand.
    Also Landfill problem , don’t bother fighting for it. Consumerism is at large.
    Government needs to put a cap on the amount of children in new Zealand. So the rest of the children can catch up and get better quality over quantity. The next generation seeds need better self esteem not stuck in a country where it’s all about just having a kid or 6.
    Selfishness at it’s core.
    Jacinda Ardern wants us down in the pyramid scheme for money up the top.
    So bring back Maori equality then.
    On us all as a collective.

  29. Huge No to backing towards Gangs like the mongrel mob to get off what they have done they have no Mana when it comes to family. They can sell gear of my childrens property and keep me and all my extended family from the children for protection of what they did in ramarama.
    I have borderline personality disorder from people like the mongrel mob and meth users.
    My ancestors from Nuhaka so called Ngati Kahungungu David John Ngahine Norman is my koro can’t even go up in the marae even though he fought in the Korea war so I also understand some of the mental illness left behind.
    While ex family and his partners mongrel mob family and more can run a drug trade out of a property where children were for mongrel mob profits.
    Made me do a 1 year hair follicle.
    Using the Angels against me.
    Funny how Jacinda and the Maoris and child bashing organisation Oranga Tamariki can single out one person. Hide the Mongral mob Association.
    I am Te maro Aute given name handed down from my ancestors.
    Mongral mob do not stick to any values of the so called Maori they preach. This is all a cover like Mike King says.
    It should be going to borderline personality disorders I’m family court sector from kids been torn apart and gaslighted as it’s a environmental disease.
    Jacinda Ardern is only playing a devils game. I’m on Mike Kings side for mental health and anguish and emotional trauma the mongral mob
    men especially cause.
    Shut oranga Tamariki down. All the children need that work too.
    Even the mongral mob are bias in wrong way of Maori ,Out with the old Maori.
    Maybe give Raukura a proper standing and put into her nzqa grants and places like kahui tu kaha
    Where it’s development is not stuck on an old stubborn way. Time for the shift.So we can fall back in love with Maori again.
    And not resist because of old privileged kaupapa.
    Its new Zealand now not Maori.
    Maori is holding us back.
    Over jealousy too that needs heavy work change that in the darkness of maori.
    Cast out mother’s In New Zealand.
    Also Landfill problem , don’t bother fighting for it. Consumerism is at large.
    Government needs to put a cap on the amount of children in new Zealand. So the rest of the children can catch up and get better quality over quantity. The next generation seeds need better self esteem not stuck in a country where it’s all about just having a kid or 6.
    Selfishness at it’s core.
    Jacinda Ardern wants us down in the pyramid scheme for money up the top.
    So bring back Maori equality then.
    On us all as a collective.

  30. Labour Party launders drug money for mobsters? I thought that was illegal?
    New Zealand imports record tonnage of coal dirty coal from Indonesia?
    Gosh.

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