There is a schism at Stuff between the political journalists who view the woke culture as crazy and the woke opinion writers who either deny cancel culture exists at all or claims criticism of hate speech are ‘hyperbole‘ and ‘political chatter‘..
Today one of their gelded woke males jaw droppingly sided with the Maori Party demand to form a secret police stasi to hunt down opinions woke staff don’t like…
If you want specifics, then just look at the Māori Party’s call for a joint task force to investigate anti-Māori hate speech.
It was forced by what the co-leaders, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi, described as an unprecedented upsurge of violent online anti-Māori rhetoric.
The thought of these videos, the evil rage they contain, makes my gut start churning.
…Is there a greater sin as a journalist to actively welcome an erosion of free speech while ushering in a Stasi?
I am pro the Maori Party, I believe they are a crucial voice in NZ politics and I see the Treaty as the founding document of our nation.
I’m one of the few Pakeha you will find who argues we need an Upper House 50-50 Maori-Pakeha.
I also hunted down and outed an actual online white supremacist who ran an Australian neoNazi website and back in 1997 on TV3 I tracked down West Auckland NeoNazis Unit88.
I also set up the MANA Party, so please, don’t dare attempt to denigrate my following criticism as racist against the Maori Party because fuck you, my record speaks for itself as a supporter of Maori Tino rangatiratanga and Nazi hunting.
But there are philosophical limits to that support and the Maori Party’s terrifying call to found our very own stasi is that limit.
Comrades, I’m a class anarchist leftist, I believe the demarcation line of power in a capitalist democracy is not between a myriad of identities, but between the 1% richest plus their 9% enablers vs the 90% rest of us. I see the State as the crucial structure to empower the many not the few BUT I also acknowledge that the State can be the biggest danger to the individual and as such demands an ever hostile check and balance over those state powers.
That’s why the suggestion by the Maori Party to demand a white supremacist stasi is so terrifying.
Of all the voices to know the dire ramifications of a politicized police force, it should be bloody Maori!
The Maori Party are citing the need for a stasi because 2 racist YouTube clips made them angry and fearful.
These videos were hunted down by woke Twitter activists who cried out a double standard over Police arresting those who threatened Simeon Brown and the slow arrest of a man who threatened the Maori Party. Turns out the arrested man has mental health issues.
The second video saw the man who made political threats against Maori lose his job, which I would have thought was a sure fire way of pushing a person into radicalized racial terrorism.
In the easily triggered world of woke intersectionist grief hierarchy, both videos are hate speech and deserving of cancellation, harassment and prosecution. In the world of actual intelligence analysis these two videos would barely cause a ripple because they wouldn’t have been deemed credible as threats.
A mentally ill loudmouth and bitter truck driving Pom are the least of our terrorism worries.
Now I disagree with Comrade Chris Trotter when he says there is no way to catch a Lone Wolf white supremacist terrorist, what everyone likes to conveniently ignore in the Tarrant case is that the SIS and GCSB did intercept files relating to guerilla warfare tactics, Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and Nowegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik, but because there was no secondary intelligence profile like connecting the geographical area of download with complaints from shooting ranges, Tarrant flew under the radar.
We have the capacity to catch these guys by using the existing powers focused differently, not by importing Orwell’s 1984!
Which brings us to the Maori Party’s gasp inducing demand to set up a secret police force comprised of the SIS and the Police Intelligence Unit to hunt down white supremacists.
If any other political party asked to create a secret police force that hunts for word crimes and thought criminals there would be rioting in the street but because it’s the Maori Party and it’s aimed at something we all hate that’s somehow fine?
We already have the tools to catch and find white supremacist terror threats, what the woke activists believe however is that micro aggressions lead to macro violence so ANYONE who disagrees with them is a potential threat.
Being woke is less a philosophical discourse of objective progressive reasoning and more a faith based religion, like a cult.
And where would this new white supremacy stasi get its information from? Why the same woke Twitter cult currently providing it.
So the Maori Party are talking about wanting a secret police who hunt down political enemies using tips offs from ideological stormtroopers?
What do you all think the right wing will do with a SIS-Police Intelligence Unit that hunts down political enemies once Labour lose the 2031 election (yes I think Jacinda can win the next 2 elections) – are we seriously considering setting up a secret police force to openly hunt political enemies with military grade mass surveillance powers?
What fucking planet are you people on?
This is the worst idea in the world and normally I’d laugh it off, but seeing the steep ascendency of middle class identity politics and their triggered feelings dictating policy and law, I think I’ll cry.
Let me be as clear as I can comrades. Don’t get tricked into creating a stasi simply because the enemy they are being set up to hunt is one you like to hate.
We have the tools to catch genuine threats, the Woke want tools to catch people they don’t like. The only ones licking their fangs in anticipation of the extra funding, powers and expansion of their remit are the SIS.
We should start keeping a list of those journalists who call for free speech to be eroded and we should never allow them to speak without reminding people they called for a police state to sanction our speech.
For these are the quislings who would betray our civil liberties so their pretensions can feel mollified.
Citizens of conscience must always spit when they see these journalistic traitors.
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God help us if this goes through. For a start the justice system is already overloaded and if the UK is any indication of what will happen NZ courts will be full of people criminalised by insulting others, being arrested, questioned, and then going to court over things as stupid as calling a police horse ‘gay’ or Scientology a cult…. quite frankly that is freedom of speech in my view!
As for Maori calling for the stasti, that my friends is a police state worthy of Mordor with the sleepy hobbits now criminalised and subject to the thought police. No jokes, no laughter, no playfulness no satire, no religious or any contentious views allowed, no government dissent…. pretty much like communist China!
I saw a documentary about the US justice system or rather the lack of justice system there. Apparently they passed a law that carrying weed near 100m of a school was a crime. Well it turns out that there are so many schools in the US that many people were caught out and thousands of people carrying a joint were criminalised by this new rule and tying up the justice system there. It then became impossible to get a court hearing date. They followed some poor guy around who kept trying to go to court for years over a joint, and then his court case would be cancelled due to overloading. Still years later and he could not get his day in court. One day after his court date was cancelled the judge apparently asked why all the documentary cameras were there and he finally had his case heard. His case was then dismissed by the judge after about 6 years of being on the list as being a subject to a criminal case, as the police failed to find the police officer who questioned him about the weed in the first place. We already have gross injustice in NZ because the police make anybody rot in jail unless they plead guilty for minor charges (Maori most likely to be caught out) that they could have got off!
This my friends is how the law works in the UK.
On 13 October 2001, Harry Hammond, an evangelist, was arrested and charged under section 5 of the Public Order Act (1986) because he had displayed to people in Bournemouth a large sign bearing the words “Jesus Gives Peace, Jesus is Alive, Stop Immorality, Stop Homosexuality, Stop Lesbianism, Jesus is Lord”. In April 2002, a magistrate convicted Hammond, fined him £300, and ordered him to pay costs of £395.[15][16][17]
On 2 September 2006, Stephen Green was arrested in Cardiff for distributing pamphlets which called sexual activity between members of the same sex a sin. On 28 September 2006, the Crown advised Cardiff Magistrates Court that it would not proceed with the prosecution.[18][19]
On 8 December 2009, Mr Justice Richard Clancy, sitting at Liverpool Magistrates’ Court, acquitted Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang, hoteliers, of charges under the Public Order Act 1986 and under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. The Vogelensangs were charged after a guest at their hotel, Ericka Tazi, complained that the Vogelenzangs had insulted her after she appeared in a hijab.[20]
On 4 March 2010, a jury returned a verdict of guilty against Harry Taylor, who was charged under Part 4A of the Public Order Act 1986. Taylor was charged because he left anti-religious cartoons in the prayer-room of Liverpool’s John Lennon Airport on three occasions in 2008. The airport chaplain, who was insulted, offended, and alarmed by the cartoons, called the police.[21][22][23] On 23 April 2010, Judge Charles James of Liverpool Crown Court sentenced Taylor to a six-month term of imprisonment suspended for two years, made him subject to a five-year Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) (which bans him from carrying religiously offensive material in a public place), ordered him to perform 100 hours of unpaid work, and ordered him to pay £250 costs. Taylor was convicted of similar offences in 2006.[24]
On 20 April 2010, police arrested Dale McAlpine, a Christian preacher, of Workington in Cumbria, for saying that homosexual conduct was a sin. On 14 May 2010, the Crown decided not to prosecute McAlpine.[25] Later still the police apologised to McAlpine for arresting him at all, and paid him several thousand pounds compensation.[26]
On 23 April 2018, Scottish YouTuber Mark Meechan of Coatbridge, North Lanarkshire was fined £800 after being found “grossly offensive” for posting a YouTube video that was viewed over 3 million times depicting him training his girlfriend’s pug to respond to the phrase “Sieg Heil” by lifting his paw in a Nazi salute. [27] Tory MP Philip Davies requested a review of freedom of expression in parliament in response to the conviction.[28] Comedians Ricky Gervais and David Baddiel tweeted in support of Meechan.[29][30][31] Tom Walker, Shappi Khorsandi, and Stephen Fry defended Meechan and criticised other comedians for their silence on the issue.[32][33][34] Meechan, who plans to appeal, was sentenced to pay an £800 fine on 23 April 2018.[35][36] A crowd of about 500 people protested the move in London.[37]
In 2017, 19-year old Croxteth resident Chelsea Russell quoted a line from Snap Dogg’s song “I’m Trippin'” on her Instagram page. The line, which read “Kill a snitch nigga, rob a rich nigga”, was copied from a friend’s page as part of a tribute to Frankie Murphy who was killed in a car accident at age 13.[38][39] Hate crime investigators were alerted to the presence of the slur and charged Russell with “sending a grossly offensive message by means of a public electronic communications network”. Defence lawyer Carole Clarke stated that she received a request from one of the arresting officers that the word “nigga”, the subject of the trial, not be used in court.[40] In April 2018, District Judge Jack McGarva found Russell guilty and delivered a sentence which included a £585 fine, a curfew and an ankle monitoring bracelet.[41] However, Russell’s conviction was overturned by Liverpool Crown Court on 21 February 2019.[42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom
Note many of these people are young and now have criminal records for hate speech in the UK over distributing cartoons, religious material or songs!
If the government can’t track down violent extremists intent on doing harm with their current alphabet soup of agencies then adding one more surely won’t be beneficial. I wouldn’t be surprised if they created an Office of Kindness to combat hate, where career bureaucrats on half a million a year teach communities how to be kind to each other. Where entitled busybodies preach from above on the use of words and beliefs and right and wrong, and we entrust them with their power of censorship because they speak from above with their wisdom and influence and half a million a year salary.
As far as we can tell, Tarrant never said anything that offended any of his targets, he just went out and did what he did. Therefore, all of the restrictions on free speech in the world would not have stopped him.
These “hate speech” proposals are mostly intended to stop anyone raising questions or criticisms about the wisdom of radical demographic change, and to stop anyone raising questions or criticisms about the plan to hand over a disproportionate amount of political control to 16% of the population. These issues both concern government ideology and/or policies, so this is just to curtail criticism of the government, thinly disguised as aimed at protecting people’s feelings.
However if the Police had properly vetted Tarrant to the same standard that I & most other licenced firearms owners have been subjected to, he wouldn’t have been issued a licence & may have been subjected to further investigation (he certainly would have if his name was Mohammad).
Yes,Antoine, free speech restrictions don’t necessarily stop this sort of atrocity and would have been irrelevant here.
The Maori Party’s stasi would not have saved the slaughtered Muslim community if it’s focus is on race, colour, ethnicity, or possibly even supremacy issues.That twisted little Australian killer was out to get Muslims and motivated by fear and hatred of Islam.
This is where Green MP’s stuffed up again seeing it as a melanin issue – or trying to turn it into one.
Yeah, I heard his manifesto and he, were more eco-terrorist than race – terrorist, as well as anti Muslim terrorist of course.
And then he just went out and did what he did.
But we can’t know for sure about the manifesto because censored.
Advertisers are moving away, it’s sad, but unfortunately Stuff just can’t pull the eyeballs.
“Go Woke, Go Broke” is proving to be an axiom.
sources?
Yes that’s correct, from the ABC figures Stuff’s audited circulation (main papers) is down 16% since 2019.
Their two flagship papers (SST and Dom Post) down 72 % and 67% since ’08.
The Herald have refused to take part in the survey.
Fact : Stuff is singing it’s swan song. Good. I’ll stop clicking on it.
Fact: The Maori Party entered Parliament this time around like circus clowns, were uncouth and in near hysteria under the weight of neck ties for heaven’s sake, and those who criticised their antics might be on a hit list for offending them for offending us. Grow up kiddies.
fact : stuff is not singing a swan song and youre the only circus clown this time round are uncouth and near hysteria grow up kiddie
The only thing less edifying than the narcissistic buffoon Waititi’s tantrum was Mallard’s shit eating grin as he e caved.
you’re the narcissistic bufoon here
Snow White: you’ve hit the nail on the head with that comment!
In a top hat and a cowboy hat… That kind of surprised me.
Can we bring back Animal farm, Brave New World and 1984 as part of the English school curriculum? Bomber sounding more like Benjamin with every new day…….
“….one of their gelded woke males….”
Haha! A savage but richly-deserved characterisation. That fellow is what, in the 70s, Maori of my acquaintance at the time referred to scathingly as “born-again”.
Martyn, I’m an old Lefty, voted that way for pretty much all of my voting life. I’m a Boomer, born very soon after the War. My generation kicked against the conservatism of our parents. We campaigned for and supported liberal causes: anti-apartheid and anti-war, abortion rights for women, legalisation of homosexuality. As a young adult in the 1970s, I learned te reo to passable fluency, taught by a native speaker. Many of us were fully on the side of language revitalisation and so on.
Now, however, the flood of anti-pakeha rhetoric has had the completely predictable effect on me and many others of my generation.
We’re being blamed for colonisation, pilloried for being white: as if we had any control, either over what happened before we were born, or over our skin colour.
The government’s cockamamie hate speech proposals also have the stench of blame about them. We’re being blamed for the awful mosque shootings, despite the fact that a) the perpetrator is AUSTRALIAN, not a NZer, and b) after the shootings, citizens here voluntarily turned out en masse to show our opprobrium. We didn’t need the bloody PM to tell us what to do! We know an atrocity when we see one. Is she really going to throw all that back in our faces?
Here’s my view now. The Treaty is not, and never was, the founding document of NZ. It has no principles, no mention of partnership: those were revisionist inventions of the 80s, for which Geoff Palmer must shoulder most responsibility. As with all such documents – including pieces of legislation – what you see is what you get. There is no such thing as “underlying meanings”.
This country has been self-governing since the enactment of the NZ Constitution Act 1852: thus that Act has the legitimate claim to be the founding document.
This is a representative democracy. Or it would be, were it not for the Maori electoral system, which is a priori undemocratic, and racist in the proper meaning of the word.
Democracy is our best hope, given the mix of citizens resident here. Secular and democratic. And no: there is no tyranny of the majority here. That’s simply not true.
Thank you D’Esterre.
I’ve no racial axe to grind, am part Maori myself but you are correct in your assessment IMHO.
I recently came across the writing of Elizabeth Rata on the subject of the treaty and it’s implications, particularly in light of the revelations regarding He Puapua.
“This particular wording change is extremely significant. Currently it is the Treaty principles which are included in all legislation, not the Treaty of Waitangi itself. No government has been willing to go that far – yet. However, attuning people to use “Treaty articles” instead of “Treaty principles” will provide the mind bridge required for people to accept the placement of the Treaty of Waitangi into law. That will be the event constituting ethno-nationalism.
The exclusive biculturalists driving the separatist agenda are actually a rather small group of individuals, numbering only in the hundreds. They are ethnically diverse and include iwi-Maori leaders, intellectuals, lobbyists, academics, activists, lawyers, officials, media figures, and politicians. Tight self-referential networks, strong personal relationships, and a willingness to play the long game have led to their remarkable success. These are all features common to those who lead revolutionary change.
The consequences of these moves are set out in He Puapua. It assumes that the Treaty of Waitangi is a “partnership” between the tribes and the “Crown”, one that entitles the tribes to economic and political rights in perpetuity to the exclusion of all others. This assumption is held to be true, sacred and non-negotiable. The success of Treaty strategists to date, combined with the silence of those who would be democracy’s defenders, makes their success a real possibility.”
Recent papers:
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/07/05/elizabeth-rata-the-road-to-he-puapua-is-there-really-a-treaty-partnership/
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/06/30/elizabeth-rata-ethno-nationalism-or-democratic-nationalism-which-way-ahead-for-new-zealand/
D’ Esterre Now agree with you about Geoffrey Palmer, he was the person responsible for passing the legislation ( I forget the Act – State Services ? ) requiring the principles of the Treaty.to be taken into account in future law making, without defining what the “principles” were, which is shoddy second- rate law making, and opened the floodgates for recognition and application of the Treaty in sometimes absurd, unrealistic, and even dangerous circumstances. It’s certainly enabling the separatist issues which are being plugged now, some just by deluded local idiots- like the WCC – but some sinister and definitely sociopathic. This does not bode well for the future of our children or children’s children. The counter-balance here, is that many Maori are busy living, and not particularly interested in pc victimhood narratives.
There’s probably a parallel now with the so-called hate speech laws providing a scary blank slate to be used ad hoc, reactively, as circumstances arise, and already showing the potential to be dangerous, but worse, very repressive – which is likely the intent. It’s a shame if Ardern can’t see the scenarios ahead, but somebody commented today that she doesn’t read books, which is frankly mind-blowing. ( Good reason to abolish the University of Waikato.)
De Esterre
Agree entirely.
Thanks De Esterre and David George,
I’m same generation and demographic, including getting to level 2 Te reo Maori and, having close Maori relatives though I think that’s hardly ever relevant.
Agree entirely.
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