Today’s benefit rise will take child poverty from 18.4% to 17%


Despite most Kiwis supporting larger welfare payments, we get pittance from Labour instead…

Greens, ACT both condemn $20 benefit increase – but for very different reasons

The Greens and ACT have both condemned the Government’s increase to welfare payments – but for very different reasons.

July 1 marks the day a raft of social development initiatives announced during Budget 2021 will come into effect, including a $20 increase to main benefits per week – a change that’ll impact hundreds of thousands of Kiwis on the dole.

Today’s benefit rise will take child poverty from 18.4% to 17%.

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So sure, cheer about that 1.4% like it means something but don’t pretend it actually does.

I’m getting a tad sick to death of listening to Jacinda and other apologists from this Government tell us with straight faces that lifting 30 000 kids out of poverty is somehow a meaningful response to the poverty crisis.

It is not.

Look, even if, and I mean IF, they actually do lift 30 000 kids out of poverty (and I say IF because we saw how their promises of jobs from the Provincial Growth Fund were a jokeso even IF they lift 30 000 kids out of poverty, that still leaves a staggering 190,000 children in poverty!!!

You can’t boast about saving 30 000 kids while leaving 190 000 behind and still ask for a pat on the back!

This isn’t leadership, it’s capitulation.

If only we could put in as much effort  lifting children out of poverty as we do on middle class tax breaks for electric cars, a billion dollar bike lane and hate speech legislation.

We hate beneficiaries so much that a crumb is sold as a mountain.

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  1. What our government doesn’t want see, hear or say, what it thinks it can ignore, what it thinks can be spun off the front pages with tinkering…is the housing crisis/full blown disaster.

    This monster is now so out of control and so ready to implode, that when, not if, it goes, it’s going to take half the country with it. Poverty in NZ will have new meaning.

    Jacinda cannot continue to pretend this horror story away, not anymore.

    And $20 per week won’t either!

  2. Other than some teeny tiny tinkering around the edges, they don’t seem to care.

    That increase is less than $3.00 a day, btw. Yet they trumpeted it as if it were a fortune. At the same time, they allowed exploitative landlords such as this to be paid an actual fortune. The gross amount of money he was paid, came from all of us.

  3. Imagine Winston Churchill future projects in 1940 if the Allies had managed to pluck 30000 Tommies off the beach at Dunkirk while leaving 190000 to their fate (and Germans).
    I guess under the Geneva Convention they could expect at least to be fed and housed.

  4. Jacinda and her Labour government are blatant liars claiming all on benefits will be better off. Again, same as last year when they claimed they raised benefits on 1 April, they will CUT Temporary Additional Support, Special Benefit and in some cases even the Accommodation Supplement for those most in need getting those extra supports. That is from today, where they celebrate themselves for increasing ‘main benefits’. Truth is, that the calculation formula for additional supports as TAS and SB will treat the main benefit increase as an increase in INCOME. That means the extra support gets CUT. Many have already got emails from MSD informing them of this. So at least 80 thousand beneficiaries will be NO better off, while those staying home with mum and dad get a bit extra to go clubbing and so. How ‘social’ and ‘caring’ is this BS? Thanks for nothing Labour and Jacinda.

    • And then there’s the 15% GST on all food and essential services – as well as everything else of course. So that before you even buy a loaf of bread or a bottle of water you first PAY THE GOVT!!! This is a sadistic law, a sadistic practice.

    • Yes, the extra “income” effect via MSD bureaucracy puts the miserly increase into stark relief, as does no accompanying rent freeze for beneficiaries.

      Despite the Govt.’s two tier benefit system–$490 pw for middle class COVID jobless, and partner can keep working!–I had hoped that Bennie bashing might have lessened a bit with wider understanding of how punitive, moralistic, and ineffective the welfare (war on the poor) system is.

      I guess the fact is Neo liberalism is so embedded in NZ legislation and 35 years plus of practice that few will challenge it. We need to disestablish WINZ/MSD forthwith and pay all citizens a basic income via IRD, with a new agency for special needs and top ups.

  5. Right across the nation there are heaps of job vacancies. So what is stopping unemployed people getting a job? Even if it’s just temporary work, it’s surely better than nothing.

    Having never taken a dollar in unemployment benefit in my adult life, I cannot pretend to know how the system works, but I suspect that the rules surrounding welfare disincentivise the move from welfare to work. Time and time again I’ve been told by unemployed people that getting a minimum wage job would actually set them back financially and if the work was temporary there is a stand-down period before they can start claiming welfare again. It’s a sad story when getting a job means taking a risk!

    Someone tell me what’s going on and how we can rectify this anomaly.

    • Well first of all businesses can not pay a $20 minimum wage while maintaining high staff turn over and a precarious labour market its an investment on skilled labour.

      There has to be a training incentive allowance for on the job training. WINZ doesn’t know what makes a good worker they’re just trying to meet quotas.

      It’s just absolutely absurd expecting bellow 120 IQ individuals to be able to navigate this fucked up unemployed theory you’ve constructed about what you reckon New Zealand looks like. It’s absolutely the wealthy and privileged responsibility to fix this.

    • $20 an hour x 80 fortnight $1600 less tax. Roughly $1400 in the hand.
      $640 per fortnight for single benefit.
      Not sure which beneficiaries your talking to unless they’re living in Auckland and getting an accommodation allowance and winter energy payment. But that’s the price you pay for living in Auckland.

      • You’re so wrong bert…so very wrong. I work with the beneficiary across the motu.

        $20 is not what they get. Probably only the new beneficiaries might, but then will become a deducted for the wrongly implemented benefit payment that they receive on the commencement of their entitlement because WINZ usually fuck that calculation up at the beginning. And the rest of your calculations are arse.

        • Your comprehension is so very poor. We are talking minimum wage, $20 an hour, not benefits. What part don’t you understand, the benefit hourly rate or the working wage hourly rate?
          Your intellect is unintelligible. Swearing doesn’t make you an intellect. And if you want an arse look in the mirror.

            • What an appalling person you are. Your abuse of people is a deep flaw in your own person. The math is correct no matter how much you deny it.
              My son gets $320 net a week on the benefit. Translated to a 40 hour week that’s $8 an hour. The minimum workin g wage at $20 an hour. I can only assume you went to school although your English is appalling you condescending prick .

        • That should link through to “Jobseeker” – Go to Jobseeker and you’ll see that there is a variation for this one allowance, according to age, living arrangements and other factors.

  6. Some of the comment above is woefully uninformed. Have a look at the MSD site for the pittance benefit rates and conditions, and proscribed stand downs and claw backs, and sanctions and obligations, and get your head around that lot! Unless you are a COVID Bennie of course–then it is $490 pw, and partner can keep working without being subject to moralistic spying.

    The thing with taking work is that there are work related costs–childcare, transport, clothing, personal grooming, and work is quite likely to be precarious not full time hours. WINZ/MSD do not make it easy to transition between work and benefits despite what they say.

    So as business likes certainty, so do humble working class people reduced to dealing with punitive MSD. The easy fix is make all the heartless case managers and bureaucrats unemployed and pay every citizen a basic income via IRD, with a new Dept set up for special needs people and top ups.

  7. Your comprehension is so very poor. We are talking minimum wage, $20 an hour, not benefits. What part don’t you understand, the benefit hourly rate or the working wage hourly rate?
    Your intellect is unintelligible. Swearing doesn’t make you an intellect. And if you want an arse look in the mirror.
    Given my son is on the benefit and the $320 a week and I am over $25 I think I know my sums. I will accept an apology.

  8. $20 will buy a 1kg block of tasty cheese, and probably pay for the bus fare to the supermarket to buy it – that’s if the bus turns up, and you might have to walk home. Given that the cheese is most likely produced in ‘lil ‘ole NuZull that punches above its weight, and no doubt like Labour’s promises – good things take time, I’m still not sure why the stuff we produce has to attract ‘international prices’ (other than for ideological reasoning).
    Oh Joy. Ever gone to Bunnings recently and tried to buy a miniscule bit of shitty pine timber? Same shit, different stink.
    And then there’s the banking system. Or Electricity. Or the Corporate Civil Service
    We (this team of 5 million) are like a pack of masochists at times saying ‘beat me, beat me, PLEASE – just a little more shite!
    I mean – Faafoi I can understand – everything he’s touches takes an eon and usually turns to shit. But I really expected better from Little, and Woods, and Chippie (who by the way is full of fecal matter over the Covid19/vaccination/Health Dept versus DHB capabilities), and Parker.
    We probably need another term of the gNats who’ll flog off everything else that’s left to rouse the masses and our erected representatives, no to mention most claiming to be members of the 4th Estate.

  9. Ok Bert sorry I didn’t realise how disadvantaged you and your family are.
    Leaving politics aside is there anything I can do to help you and your family?
    Sincerely I want to help.


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