Wuhan Lab leak theory conflict just jumped up a notch – why NZ media should worry

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If this defection by a high ranking Chinese Spy is true, shit just got real…

Covid 19 coronavirus: Top Chinese spy defects to the US, reveals Wuhan lab leak secrets – reports

A top Chinese spy has reportedly defected to the US and offered up intelligence about how the Covid pandemic began.

Vice Minister of State Security Dong Jingwei is believed to have secretly flown from Hong Kong to the US on February 10, according to reports that have surfaced on Chinese media sites and Twitter.

He travelled alongside his daughter Dong Yang, outlet Spy Talk reported.

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Rumours are swirling that Jingwei has passed on important information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology at the centre of the Covid lab leak theory which had been dismissed by many over the past 18 months but is now being reignited.

…the one thing that was always going to prevent the conflict between China and the rest of the planet over the origins of the Covid virus from erupting was evidence.

The deep suspicion of China is legitimate.

We know there were embassy cables warning Trump that the Wuhan Lab was a safety risk.

We know US Intelligence picks up a pandemic in November.

We know the lab was experimenting on the virus and that scientists have now cast suspicion on the virus having been tampered with.

Because of the prevalence of these types of labs and with human error factored in, there is an 80 percent chance of a a dangerous pathogen escape every 12.8 years.

We know lab staff suffered symptoms exactly like Covid a month before the first case in December.

What we don’t know however is if there is evidence showing a leak from the Wuhan Lab because the only way to ever know that would be human intel.

The Chinese Spy Chief in charge of counter intelligence would know and this possible defection is being signaled out as the reason why Biden had a sudden change of heart and asked for a 90day snap intelligence report.

If America can prove the Wuhan Lab was the source of this pandemic, all hell breaks lose.

This could be politically dangerous and cultural damaging.

The NZ mainstream media have righteously hated on Trump and his disinformation campaigns but the irony that he might have been right all along about the Wuhan Lab leaking the virus would be a body blow to establishment media credibility.

Culturally the woke in NZ started the pandemic by claiming criticism towards China was xenophobic…

…if evidence surfaces from a defecting Chinese Spy that a pandemic which devastated our global economy and public health did originate from a lab,  the backlash against the Woke will be as violent as the backlash against China.

Our reliance on China to buy our products could turn sharply in the next couple of months.

 

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  1. Here’s Bernie’s take on it:
    Sanders speaks out against chorus

    While acknowledging some of the problems that China represents, he warns agains xenophobia and bigotry, and especially notes the danger of getting into a new Cold War.
    —————–

    (The US faces a different situation from the one that we need to deal with here in AO/ NZ. China is far more entrenched over here than there – Eg, they have not had any former spy trainers in Congress… And I doubt many of their fundamental assets have already been sold to China. But the same basic warnings apply, as Bernie is giving to the US, I think.)

  2. As you importune, Bomber: “IF THIS IS TRUE?”

    But with an informant or defector who will never be identified?

    China’s mistake is that it did not invent an American defector (before the Americans did) who ‘came out’!

    We shall never know

  3. No, this shit is still; unsubstantiated conjecture to the sound of sabre rattling. “Rumours are swirling” about a spy who has “reportedly defected to the US”. That is gossip, not solid information, let alone evidence.

    Still, even if there are, as yet, no direct indications of a viral release from this particular institute; biosecurity monitoring in laboratory settings is certainly a valid concern. There was a (possibly facetious) offer from a Chinese spokesperson a while back (don’t have a link on me), to allow greater international access to their labs in return for other countries allowing WHO inspection of their own biohazard sites. That’s not going to happen, especially in Russia, but demanding unilateral disclosure from China isn’t getting very far either.

    • I’m pretty sure that offer was directed at a reciprocal arrangement with US’s Fort Detrich , and Russia was not mentioned. not in the article I read anyway.
      D J S

  4. First cases in china were apparently from early October(2nd) but it was early December before doctors and Nurses and the Powers that be realised they had a pandemic on their hands . In the meantime people from Wuhan were travelling all over the world.

  5. Political defectors from any country, particularly those who are publicly displayed, have as much cachet as a jailyard snitch turning Police evidence in my books.

    Any “truth” in such circumstances is likely a chance find really in the steaming pile of opportunism that usually envelops such people. Even if there was a lab escape, the world wide effects still have to be dealt with. COVID 19 is not going anywhere no matter what or who caused it.

    Scientists and Health Officials in the majority, even in msm, are still not committing to the lab escape theory that US imperialism desperately wants to provide a narrative for hostility and shoring up their end of capitalism for a bit longer.

  6. The only reason we’ve become reliant, to use your words, on China is because our now old crooks bled out our traditional trading partners in the UK, Europe and the USA. They did that out of nothing more than greed.
    They used self appointed ‘producer boards’ to draft export grade agricultural products into their soft little hands and then crooks simply held our trading partners over a barrel until they acquiesced and paid the by now massively inflated, post farm gate prices the producer boards were rorting them for, and they, our markets by extension became reliant upon. Food is a compelling way to make sure people do what they’re told. All you have to do is choke off its distribution.
    The wool Board is another case study. Wool stores very well. Once triple dumped ( Three farm bales squeezed into one to make ready for shipping. ) all the wool board had to do was store it until our foreign buyers were desperate enough to the pay premium prices our farmers would never see and could only dream of. Such manufactured on-farm financial volatility rendered our farmers entirely dependant on the banksters mainly because it was an environment the banksters and our crooked politicians designed by re writing policy to best suit themselves! Hence Remuera specifically and Auckland generally. All the mates of the members of the mafia-like producer boards and their scammer scum like Fay Richwhite Group.
    We don’t need the Chinese market. Fuck them! Their hierarchy is a cadre of bullies pretending to be communist yet they behave like fascists. Who the fuck needs them, or that?
    If AO/NZ is to ever pull up out of its 100 year old nose dive we must go back to our future and sort shit out.
    A very, very public Royal Commission of inquiry into Big Business and our all bought and paid for politicians please?
    ( I double dare anyone trying to argue the above points? I fucking dare you? ) The only reason we’ve become reliant, to use your words, on China is because our now old crooks bled out our traditional trading partners in the UK, Europe and the USA. They did that out of nothing more than greed.
    They used self appointed ‘producer boards’ to draft export grade agricultural products into their soft little hands and then crooks simply held our trading partners over a barrel until they acquiesced and paid the by now massively inflated, post farm gate prices the producer boards were rorting them for, and they, our markets by extension became reliant upon. Food is a compelling way to make sure people do what they’re told. All you have to do is choke off its distribution.
    The wool Board is another case study. Wool stores very well. Once triple dumped ( Three farm bales squeezed into one to make ready for shipping. ) all the wool board had to do was store it until our foreign buyers were desperate enough to the pay premium prices our farmers would never see and could only dream of. Such manufactured on-farm financial volatility rendered our farmers entirely dependant on the banksters mainly because it was an environment the banksters and our crooked politicians designed by re writing policy to best suit themselves! Hence Remuera specifically and Auckland generally. All the mates of the members of the mafia-like producer boards and their scammer scum like Fay Richwhite Group.
    We don’t need the Chinese market. Fuck them! Their hierarchy is a cadre of bullies pretending to be communist yet they behave like fascists. Who the fuck needs them, or that?
    If AO/NZ is to ever pull up out of its 100 year old nose dive we must go back to our future and sort shit out.
    A very, very public Royal Commission of inquiry into Big Business and our all bought and paid for politicians please?
    ( I double dare anyone trying to argue the above points? I fucking dare you? )
    We should chop China off, close our borders and send a bunch of flowers to Merkel, Biden and johnson. Fuck it! Lets send flowers to everyone in the northern hemisphere plus a bag of organic potatoes, a lamb chop, a bottle of Gibbston valley Pino Gris and a bag of upper Clutha River sativa.

    • You have shown you know how to copy & paste but repeating something is not the most reliable way to convince skeptical readers. For all your musings regarding the wool trade supply & demand is still a reliable way to explain why fine wool is the only class of wool that is profitable to produce.
      I agree with your view that markets are unfair with those in control taking advantage of the rest of us although my view on what will finally fix that problem is on a different level from your views.

  7. I think you’re full of shit M on this rant. Your anti-Chinese rhetoric is no different from xenophobia and bigotry. Chill the fuck out with it.

    The Aliens did it! Then the Russians, then the Blacks, then the Jews, then the Maori ….

  8. The essential point is the EVIDENCE tying ‘the virus’ to ‘the lab’ to research tools called ‘gain of function’; is not fantasy.
    Cannot be spun as conspiracy theory.
    Scientists WERE bio engineering coronaviruses. Insertions into existing coronaviruses weoponising them; HAPPENED.
    And, in the moments surrounding global ‘exercising pandemic response’ drills; went LIVE .
    Tied to US Chinese joint ventures involving WIV to Fauci Gates Duszak and USAID NIAID research money to CCP.

    Chinese bio attack or western deepstate bio attack or accident in bio labs playing off either way the central point at this stage remains the same.

    The virus is bio engineered in a laboratory.

    • You’ve been reading those naughty misinformation websites I see. The ones that actually supply references, scientific explanations and facts, rather than innuendo and messenger shootings.
      The lab origen is incontrovertibly possible and likely ; over enough time practically a certainty .
      The flip side is that in the US to cover anti biowarfare international agreements such experiments had become relegated to carrying on as usual in case the “enemy ” was doing it, so a vaccine had to be created as a defence , so the vaccine then had to be developed in conjunction with the bioweapon to legitimise the creation of the bioweapon. If this is the source of this one then the speed of the vaccine rollout is probably because it was already developed alongside the modified virus.
      Has anyone ever seen the effort go in to promote w vaccine before? Or the censorship of dissenting professionals? We are threatening concerned doctors in NZ with de registration. This worries me more than anything else going on. If misinformation is their concern why don’t they explain where the information is wrong and why?
      D J S

  9. A lot of people are ignoring the pretty obvious conclusion, because of economics FFS. Money the route of all evil is blinding so many. It’s been a no brainer since the beginning. But just like Winnie the poo there will never be the right evidence. Agree with remo.

  10. I don’t think it will move the sleepy hobbits in (little) Aotearoa who are still happily enjoying their covid, housing inflation fueled delusionary economy.

    The US will be fascinating and its effects on the mid terms – the house is expected to move to the GOP and confirmation of a Lab leak will gift the Senate as well. The old coot would then be a lame duck president.

  11. Alongside the data establishing the virus as bio-engineered; is the informed but unreported-by-mainstream argument contesting the PCR testing regime itself.

    …”.WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology. (emphasis added)

    WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

    “Invalid Positives” is the Underlying Concept

    This is not an issue of “Weak Positives” and “Risk of False Positive Increases”. What is at stake is a “Flawed Methodology” which leads to invalid estimates.

    What this admission of the WHO confirms is that the estimate of covid positive from a PCR test (with an amplification threshold of 35 cycles or higher) is invalid. In which case, the WHO recommends retesting: “a new specimen should be taken and retested…”.

    As far as I know, an OIA request quoted by Dr Sam Bailey stated NZ tested samples at 40 cycles.

  12. I do wish people would stop using the word ‘theory’ to describe mere speculation. The hierarchy goes – speculation (surmise with little to no evidence) to hypothesis (a set of connected ideas that try to explain some known facts) to theory which is a comprehensive, evidence-based explanation of the facts and events which also goes further and predicts other events/facts.

    My explanation is a bit crudes, but i will do for now.

    Also, the speculation about the Wuhan leak has already been comprehensively debunked, so please stop the bullshit.

    • Nonsense. There is a mountain of evidence now and continues to mount that is far more likely to have originated from the lab. There is virtually nothing to prove it came from the wet market. Nothing

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