It was always a risk to take a huge dump on the Royal Family when Prince Philip was so sick.
Did the stress of Meghan Markle’s allegations that the Royals were cross burning racists help?
Who can say, but most will hazard a guess that her attention seeking Millennial me first and the gimme gimmes mentality sure as hell didn’t help and it will ultimately sink her reputation.
Philip was a towering figure of public service and in a way, through his devotion to the Queen, actually represented a masculinity that was subservient to female power in a way that those very same Millennials scream for while denouncing the Royals to champion Meghan Markle.
He is a footnote in History, a guardian to a Queen whose legacy is still building and despite the gaffes will be fondly remembered.
His death is a generation change from those who fought the Nazis to a generation that calls out everyone who triggers them online as Nazis. He represents a public service ethos utterly alien to the hyper individualism and subjective rage generation and he loved his Queen.
The remaining question is how Meghan attempts to make the funeral all about her.
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The only queens I am interested in are on playing cards and in beehives.
The mobs that have been leeching from the public purse and have been ravaging the planet via ownership or shares in mining companies etc. disgust me.
i’ agree. But as the spouse of our constitutional head of state, you’d think our state-owned public service telecaster could have said something other than running infomercials asking us to buy a shitload more crap we don’t need
But the funding model the government condones (promotes) is predicated on running infomercials asking us to buy a shitload more crap we don’t need.
And the economic-financial model the government promotes is predicated on people buying a shitload more crap they don’t need, or stuff that is actually bad for them.
That’s why I hardly ever watch TV, and mercilessly attack the idiots we have as so-called leaders.
Energy depletion resource depletion and environmental meltdown are in the process of ‘fixing’ the problem….along with the fraudulent financial system.
Hear hear
I am so sad at this news. Of course his death was inevitable – as is the Queen’s. But nonetheless, this is a blow, and a time for mourning.
I’m a Boomer, born very soon after WW2. For me, he’s part of the things that have always been, just as is the Queen herself. They’ve been part of our world for all of my life.
It is truly the end of an era.
“He is a footnote in History….”
I think that we all know who in that family will be the footnote in history, and it won’t be him.
Meghan who?
D’Esterre- “ Meghan who ?” Meghan the cockroach from Disneyland ?
For goodness sake show some respect to the late HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. Don’t introduce Meghan Mardle, Duchess of Sussex into this time of mourning. You’re the problem not the Duchess.
The DUCHESS!!!
Many will think that after so many years of service Prince Philip truly earned his title. “The Duchess” however was given her title, she’s done nothing to earn it -but seems very determined to keep it – and her share of an inheritance.
Susan – Check out: http://www.harrymarkle.wordpress, and it’s files. Much is tip of the iceberg. When Prince Philip was admitted to hospital in his final weeks, Markle announced that it was just a ploy to divert attention from her shocking Oprah performance. Much of what she claimed in that Oprah interview, has since been proven to be lies. Celt News is another good commentator. Yankee Wally, a Welsh woman who has long led the claims about the origin of the child known as Archie, has not been sued – surprising, when litigation seems to be a profitable income stream for Markle. It’s sickening. I think that Lady Colon Campbell is now also saying that Markle and her moon bump did not give birth to the child known as Archie.
Think you mean ‘despite the gaffes will be fondly remembered’. Gaffs are the big hooks you sink in a fish’s back to haul it in!
Or, “Because” of the gaffes, will be fondly remembered.
Reminds me, where’s all the unemployed teachers?
Oh dear. Best to leave Markle out of this poignant epic milestone in history. Whether Markle has sufficient sanity not to utilise the passing of this big man to grab the headlines for herself is a consummation devoutly to be wished. (Something like that.) The queen has lost her lifetime mate. Always tough.
Snow White: “Whether Markle has sufficient sanity not to utilise the passing of this big man to grab the headlines for herself…”
Not holding my breath about that. She has as much insight as the fence posts in my garden.
He was a remarkable individual: worth 100 of any one of those mincing, pink-haired, I-can’t-decide-what-my-gender-is Millennials. God help us all, were we to have to rely on THEM to defend us against invaders. I think that baton would have to pass to my generation, advanced in age though we are.
I note the usual collection of graceless comments on this site: a stark contrast to Martyn’s gracious post.
Prince Philip had an awful childhood, which would doubtless have brought him to the attention of the Welfare, had he been a commoner and living in this country. Yet he never used it an an excuse: unlike sundry deadbeats appearing before the courts here for atrocious crimes.
The man is barely cold: commenters would do well to keep critique for a later time.
Snow White: “Whether Markle has sufficient sanity not to utilise the passing of this big man to grab the headlines for herself…”
Not holding my breath about that. She has as much insight as the fence posts in my garden.
He was a remarkable individual: worth 100 of any one of those mincing, pink-haired, I-can’t-decide-what-my-gender-is Millennials. God help us all, were we to have to rely on THEM to defend us against invaders. I think that baton would have to pass to my generation, advanced in age though we are.
I note the usual collection of graceless comments on this site: a stark contrast to Martyn’s gracious post.
Prince Philip had an awful childhood, which would doubtless have brought him to the attention of the Welfare, had he been a commoner and living in this country. Yet he never used it an an excuse: unlike sundry deadbeats appearing before the courts here for atrocious crimes.
The man is barely cold: commenters would do well to keep critique for a later time.
D’Esterre – Once again, you have spelt out what I did not dare to. Yes, Prince Phillip’s childhood was a shattered one. The last and youngest sibling of three or four fairly much older sisters. Losing his mother to a schizophrenic breakdown, aged about 13, the same age my son lost his father to a horrific lingering medical condition. Phillip seems to have lost his father about that time too, with a father who disappeared from his
life and the family scene to go chasing after other women, with his wife hospitalised. In the middle of all this they were turfed out of their Greek homeland – went to Paris maybe, then the Uk, boarding school, navy. This sort of early childhood scenario is used time and again here in New Zealand, to justify becoming criminals, druggies and anti-social thugs. From the look of it, the family Phillip grew up in, was certainly not “rich”, but obviously they had some good genes.
Growing up without a father is hard for any boy, plus he lost his mother too – but Prince Phillip, didn’t cash in on his grief by hitting the lecture circuit obtaining large sums of money, wailing, “ My mother died”, the way that Hollywood Harry did. He pursued what looks like a distinguished career in the navy, and during war time.
When that boy lost his mother and father, there would have been little, if anything, available in the way of grief counselling – unlike Hollywood Harry, who apparently had seven years’ counselling when his mum died. My children had nothing like that, we didn’t know about it – if it did exist. Nowadays, counselling, and taxpayer funded counselling, is available for millennials with hurt feelings – “ feelings” being a new judgment criteria.
These “feelings” criteria may well expand under the gender-obsessive programmes now being pushed by the Dept of Education. A mother of an Indian third former recently told me that her daughter has chastised her for not being “ gender fluid” . Primary school children are now being given gender choice options – much if it may be premature sexualisation of children – but the millennials calling the shots are shonky thinkers – and regrettably some of them are politicians, and their prioritising is a mystery.
Prince Phillip looked a splendid man who filled his role admirably, and fairly unequivocally. The Queen was lucky to get such a good catch. I can’t be bothered addressing the constitutional importance of their roles, but the whiners here are a different breed altogether, “ male “ residents of a country which biffs its women around, kills them, and abuses and kills our children and babies in record numbers, and think that that’s what constitutes being a man. Oops. I forget about getting drunk – and pissed off simply because the Queen’s husband was a good looking rich man.
The lack of grace at such a time is shabby, but it does not surprise me. But the man Phillip was also, in many ways, quite a remarkable icon, and as you previously said, this is the end of an era. This is a history- making moment; I am acutely aware of that, as you clearly are too, and those who are unaware are testament to our crapped- out education system, or values, or bubble heads, or other. But hey – this is a country where some Wellington ratepayers wanted the public library replaced because it is allegedly “old” and “old-fashioned.” I’m old and old-fashioned, but not the library.
RIP Prince Phillip, and deepest sympathy to his bereft widow and grieving children.
Snow White: hear hear to everything you say!
“…the family Phillip grew up in, was certainly not “rich”, but obviously they had some good genes.”
Indeed. The good genes thing was a bloody miracle, given the inbreeding of the Euro royals, and the proliferation of deleterious characteristics: mental illness, the Habsburg jaw, haemophilia and so on. I believe that he had no money, which was a bone of contention in the royal establishment. However: Elizabeth had enough for both of them, and his impecunity at the time of their marriage apparently didn’t stop him making financial improvements to the running of the royal estates. He was very astute, I read somewhere.
” Hollywood Harry”
Heh: very nice! Gave us here a good laugh.
“My children had nothing like that, we didn’t know about it – if it did exist.”
My father died when the youngest of my family was about 4 months old, the eldest 14. I was a bit over 4. I’m not aware that there was any grief counselling in those days: I don’t think it had been invented. We all just had to manage as best we could. Including my late mother (who shared with Prince Philip a remarkable ability to manage money: she ought to have been Minister of Finance). That early loss left its mark on all of us, of course, though I’m not sure that grief counselling would have made any difference. Clearly Hollywood Harry (ha!) is no better for it.
“…the gender-obsessive programmes now being pushed by the Dept of Education.”
What the hell is going on in our schools in that regard? I’ve heard some horror stories which would be very difficult to believe, were it not for the fact that I heard them from a reliable source.
“…some Wellington ratepayers wanted the public library replaced because it is allegedly “old” and “old-fashioned.”
I wonder if you’ve seen this story. You’ll note that I’ve commented on it.
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=135378
The following comment comes from the comment thread on that story:
“there is currently much effort put into retaining colonial heritage, with much less of a focus on acknowledging the far longer presence of Māori in this place. Libraries in their current form are colonial institutions and by design privilege western knowledge. The Council will consider different ways, apart from written, that knowledge is transmitted.”
My response to it: “Just when I thought I’d seen everything. Does whoever wrote it know anything about the history of libraries? And do they understand that oral histories are inadequate beyond a low level of social and technological complexity? Clearly not.”
My late mother – a librarian, not because it paid well, but because she loved the job – would be absolutely horrified by this. Privileges western knowledge! Tell THAT to the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians. Along with all the other earliest librarians….
D’Esterre – Thanks. Read it. I’m trying not to think about any of this – not since the National Library decided to burn it’s book collection written and published from outside of New Zealand. I am now keeping books I don’t have the room for, because they are often seminal works of huge intrinsic value – I worry what will happen to them when I die. (Don’t tell Jill.)
The destroying of any historical cultural heritage is perplexing, Chairman Mao did this too, and it’s not uncommon with revolutionary hordes who see all sorts of things as symbols of elitism and so on, but when it is being done in a structured environment, like under the auspices of govt and city councils, then the barbarians are well and truly inside the gates.
Libraries are colonial ? Nonsense. Some of the oldest library collections may in fact have been a response to colonialism e.g. the Dead Sea Scrolls, which well and truly predate the origins of what we call Christianity – and the births of its so-called founders. I used to have one of the Upanishads – can’t lay my hands on it – but going back to the Vedas, off the top of my head, I’d regard them as repositories of ancient knowledge, and philosophical dialogues emanating from that knowledge – with knowledge being the essence, and the importance of retaining knowledge, even where knowledge can be, and should be subject to change – which is actually quite interesting in itself.
I don’t know why it has to be an “either” “ or” situation with those tiresome Wellington City Council females, with either “colonial” or “Maori”. “Colonial seems to have become a dirty word, on a par with hard porn, which is a crying shame, when some of the early pioneers’ recorded knowledge and experience contains important historical data
which should not be trivialised or dismissed, more so in a young country, but apart from it being another woeful sign of N Z’s anti- intellectualism, it’s likely just part of the usual prickly racist victimhood.
Councillor Day claiming “ …we know that authentic representation by mana whenua will provide the best decisions for Wellington,” looks like more extraordinary waffle – and downright racist.
How on earth can she possibly “know” this ?
Where is the evidence for this statement ?
Day shouldn’t be able to get away with making these sort of unsubstantiated and unprovable proclamations, but I suppose that issuing a challenge would result in a counter claim of racism. And who decides “authentic”? Seems to me that authenticity may have been fairly submerged when it came to WCC shenanigans in trying to turn lovely Shelly Bay into something on the flight path into Korea. Nth or Sth.
When we have newbie politicians announcing their platform of increasing gender diversity in the community I can’t help thinking that increasing wages would be ever so much more useful.
When we have newbie politicians announcing war on the colonial shackle of the necktie, I can’t help thinking that a war on child poverty
would be ever so much nicer for the kiddies.
Francis Fukuyama (wrongly) asserted that history had stopped. I’m wondering if evolution has stopped, and whether the evolutionary process is now in reverse gear – not that it may matter when the earth is shrugging us off, or when one stands in a bus hub (Hub ! Ha ha! ) wondering if a bus will ever come, and what skill set do WCC councillors
need just to get a bus to come along. Remember how the buses used to come, back before they invested in all those cute little electronic timetables on the posts?
What is in the water at Johnsonville and Tawa ? Any idea ?
Snow White: I recommend the Scoop website, if you don’t already go there. It’s very good on local news and the debate is often lively.
“The destroying of any historical cultural heritage is perplexing.”
Indeed. I find it deeply offensive. This is an aspect of our own heritage and we are NZers, are we not?
“….then the barbarians are well and truly inside the gates.”
Yup. The library stuff is – as far as I can tell – coming from the non-Maori, but woke, Left. A sort of Uncle Tom thing, by the looks of it.
“Councillor Day claiming “ …we know that authentic representation by mana whenua will provide the best decisions for Wellington,” looks like more extraordinary waffle – and downright racist.”
Christ… it’s appalling, isn’t it? Many of us roll our eyes at her pronouncements, but regrettably the elected members appear to be in thrall to her views. Or they’re too cowardly to stand up to her. No surprises there: don’t know if you watched on Zoom or YouTube the meeting at which Councillors voted on Shelly Bay. Representatives of local iwi were there: I have never before seen such downright rudeness as I saw from those people towards dissenting Councillors. It must have been very intimidating. And neither the mayor nor any other Councillors stood up for them. I was profoundly shocked by it.
A member of this household at one time worked for local authorities. Watching that debacle, I remarked that Morrin Cooper (a mayor in the Auckland area, many years ago) would never have allowed such dreadful behaviour at any of his Council meetings. He’d have called them out for it.
“How on earth can she possibly “know” this ?”
Of course she knows nothing of the sort. Moreover, she’s wrong. What we now have is the tail wagging the political dog. That’s what’ll happen, no doubt about it.
All that angsting about the tyranny of the majority: it’s bollocks, of course. But we now have the tyranny of the minority.
“Day shouldn’t be able to get away with making these sort of unsubstantiated and unprovable proclamations…”
No. She shouldn’t. But the crap she comes out with apparently goes unchallenged by other Councillors.
“….issuing a challenge would result in a counter claim of racism.”
I’ve heard that something like this may have happened. It takes more than one courageous person to stand up to it, and it appears others are unwilling to stick their necks out. That sort of reluctance likely stems from ignorance of our history and being in thrall to the revisionist Treaty “principles” (thanks for nothing, Palmer). Along with no support from the Mayor.
I believe that Day was elected in Tawa. Our best hope is that she’s tipped out by voters at the next election. I don’t think she’d be eligible to stand in the Maori ward, because she’s not from the local iwi. Yes I know that’s barmy, but it’s what I’ve heard from a representative of one of the local iwi.
“Remember how the buses used to come…”
Oh those gladsome days of yore! Advocating for a fix of the bus system is definitely something that Day could be doing, but no….playing the race card is just SO much more fun, isn’t it?
“What is in the water at Johnsonville and Tawa ?”
Possibly human waste, if the infrastructure there is as munted as it is elsewhere. That would explain the “shit for brains” problem we’ve been seeing….
I think that Day was from Johnsonville, like Lester, then she graduated to Tawa, I think. Tawa has more churches and roundabouts than any other suburb in N Z, and it seems to have been designed to stop people escaping from it, but some do.
I used to read Scoop 2x daily, and am not sure why I stopped, but I know that it is read in some govt depts, and will return. I think that Day and that other young woman do intimidate – I can’t remember her name, but family who were her contemporaries have no time for her. In the past I attended and submitted to WCC Committee meetings, when Blumsky, Prendergast I think, and Fran Wilde were the mayors.
I never saw anyone or anything rude then, and we did have someone who kept us informed if committees tried anything tricky like changing meeting times.
I am sorry that dissenting Maori were rude – they never used to be that way – they were often fine orators, and very old- school courteous. Shelly Bay is special to me; I gave up following the issues, because I didn’t see how that dreadful development
would ever be allowed to go ahead; I got that wrong, and if I’m right was it not Day advocating that to provide a cash stream for Maori ? And then they dare to weaponise “ colonialism” , while appropriating it’s most odious aspects to line their own pigskin purses.
I think there was an issue with WCC councillors and one councillor’s mate’s interpretation of the Treaty, or of the principles of the Treaty, and their own protocols should preclude those sort of high school shenanigans from being able to happen ; nor will I blame Geoffrey Palmer, and think that the decision to include recognition of the principles of the Treaty, was right and proper at that time. Palmer may not have envisaged how this could escalate into a grievance industry, with real and genuine grievances, dumbos, and tricky opportunists as well. The worst ratbags may be failed law students – of whom there are as many as Central Otago bunnies.
There are one or two ( two I think) really good men on the WCC, ditto women, but coping with rude or ignorant or angry or arrogant strident females, is a challenge.
Snow White: “I think that Day and that other young woman do intimidate – I can’t remember her name…”
Tamatha Paul. She stood as an independent, votes mostly with the so-called Left bloc. She’s very young, thus inexperienced. And – like all of the young, including us when that age, thinks she knows it all. That’s why the young shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the powers of central or local government.
Regarding Day, I heard on the grapevine that she didn’t discover that she has Maori ancestry until either just before or just after she was first elected. Ngati Tuwharetoa, I believe, if it’s been accurately reported. Now she’s thrown herself into Maori issues. Back when I was young, Maori I knew referred dismissively to such people as “born-agains”.
“Shelly Bay is special to me…”
Indeed. As it is to many of us. I’d prefer it left as a reserve, but I accept that Cassels has legally acquired the land, and has an independently-granted resource consent. So I guess that we’re stuck with the situation. No undoing it now without creating further injustices.
“….was it not Day advocating that to provide a cash stream for Maori ?”
It was. And it shows how little she understands about such things. There was never the possibility of an income stream from that land, which is why the PNBST sold it to Cassels. The Trust wanted cash to pursue another option which would have provided an income.
The only way that the local iwi could’ve got income from Shelly Bay would’ve been to have commercial building on leasehold land (not a starter there, I suspect). Private housing on leasehold land is a commercial failure, as Ngati Whatua have found out in Auckland.
I suspect that the problem for the then government when negotiating the Treaty settlement with local iwi was the lack of publicly-owned land to be returned. It couldn’t offer back privately-owned land, for obvious reasons. So they got Shelly Bay, which was still publicly-owned. And, as somebody in this household observed, it would already have been built on, were it suitable for housing.
“…then they dare to weaponise “ colonialism” , while appropriating it’s most odious aspects to line their own pigskin purses.”
Oh indeed: many of us have noticed! What one would expect from a born-again with no understanding of either history or commerce.
“….nor will I blame Geoffrey Palmer, and think that the decision to include recognition of the principles of the Treaty, was right and proper at that time.”
I’m an old Lefty: at the time, I completely agreed with all that. However: meantme, I’ve been forced to re-evaluate my opinion. That has been brought about by subsequent developments, and by the views of others, including Elizabeth Rata, and a very smart young relative who was studying this stuff at uni.
We now know that Palmer did this so as to sweeten the bitter pill of neoliberalism for Maori. Then, as Rata points out, the iwi took Treaty settlement money and behaved exactly like the much-criticised neoliberals. Thus we have the very poorest Maori as poor as they ever were. Poorer if anything. Where has all that money gone? Clearly, not to them. That’s what the Ihumatao situation was about: conflict between iwi elites and the very poorest Maori.
I now view Palmer’s “Treaty principles” as a disastrous mistake. It was a post facto attempt to freight onto the original document meanings that went far beyond what the text could bear, or what the original signatories intended or could have envisaged.
Now we have the current imbroglio: unelected iwi reps with voting rights on most WCC committees, with payment for their services going to the iwi. And the looming spectre of a Maori ward. Democracy has been undermined, possibly fatally. So I say again: thanks for nothing, Palmer.
“There are one or two ( two I think) really good men on the WCC, ditto women, but coping with rude or ignorant or angry or arrogant strident females, is a challenge.”
Yup. You’re right about this. From what I’ve seen, the dissenters have been bullied or intimidated into silence and acquiescence. Nobody likes being accused of racism. I suppose that you’ve seen the Scoop article on the subject of iwi representation on Council? I’ve had a bit to say about that, and I refuse to be intimidated into silence.
Perhaps you saw today, reportage about Peter Winder’s independent review of WCC? I’m not hopeful that we’ll get substantive change in Council. I think that the only solution is to vote these people out. I hope that’ll happen at the next election.
I still think Palmer was right – even though I don’t like him. He’s very cerebral, and I think he established the first private Public Law Practice, Chen Palmer. He also, as an academic, advocated us utilising Public Law in disputes – but the one time I approached him, by a shop at the cnr of Brougham and Majoribanks St, I got a bit of a brush off – this was during the second save the Wgtn Town Belt campaign in 1994.
In advocating recognition of the principles of the Treaty, I think that Palmer, was maybe too disconnected from the hoi polloi, to be able to relate to, or to take on board, that people function at different levels, and at levels far removed from academia; there was much being published by both Maori and Pakeha back then on the jurisdiction of the Treaty, and all at a high powered level – back before the universities got the socks knocked out of them by the market orientated cowboys.
I spoke briefly yesterday with a Ngapuhi kaumatua about Shelly
Bay – mainly mutually lamenting its desecration – and he identified payouts disappearing into Trusts as a problem, and was critical of it, without going into detail.
I think the recommendations from the WCC review better than the present set up, especially perhaps, if it means fewer divas, and more collective responsibility for the really important infrastructure issues which seem to have languished for years.
Yes I asked a relative who the other annoying young woman was and received an answer identical to yours, but the conversation got sidetracked onto the effrontery of councillors, of all people, trespassing on library territory, road safety, housing (!!) , and idiotic rainbow crossings – which seem to have back-fired, as yet another pc pr selling out to LGBTQ cultists.
Poor Andy Foster. First time I’ve voted a right wing sort of mayor, defended him once against Kerry P,
and hope that the current bunch don’t deter decent people from standing for the WCC.
As I am still boycotting the DomPost, I don’t know what’s happening, but might, just might, pop down to the library and read a free copy, weather permitting.
Snow White: “Palmer, was maybe too disconnected from the hoi polloi, to be able to relate to, or to take on board, that people function at different levels, and at levels far removed from academia….”
The problem was that he tried to graft on to the original Treaty, meanings that couldn’t be discerned from the text, because they just aren’t there. As with all such documents, what you see is what you get. I can read both versions: there aren’t any principles, because that wasn’t what the Treaty was intended to convey, nor why it was signed.
Moreover, he failed to consider the possibility of unintended consequences, so he clearly gave no thought at all as to what those consequences might be.
What he did has opened the door to ethno-nationalism: an aspect of fascism, as I’m sure that you’re aware. He ought to have seen that coming, because by that time, we’d already been witness to it in parts of Africa and Asia. There was more to come in Africa, of course, but what had already happened was bad enough. He had considerable power: he ought to have used it more responsibly.
“…Ngapuhi kaumatua about Shelly
Bay…..he identified payouts disappearing into Trusts as a problem…”
Interesting. Last I heard, Ngapuhi hadn’t yet concluded a settlement, so I guess that he was talking about other iwi. But yes, that among other things will be the problem. Too opaque by half, and to the best of my knowledge, no government has considered an audit of what’s happened to all that money. Taxpayers’ money, after all.
“Poor Andy Foster. First time I’ve voted a right wing sort of mayor…”
Yup. Me too: as I’ve said previously, I’m an old Lefty, didn’t expect to be voting for a rightish person. But I was so annoyed by Lester that I had to vote him out if I could.
But Foster has been a massive disappointment, I’m sorry to say. We’d hoped for much better: leadership, determination, courage. He’s not shown any of that.
“As I am still boycotting the DomPost…”
Haha…good for you! We’ve cancelled our subscription to it. I did that, then called Stuff and gave them a piece of my mind over that ridiculous apology. The person to whom I spoke (caller, your call may be recorded for training purposes. I do hope so, I said) attempted to defend Stuff’s actions. Which says to me that many angry subscribers had rung them before I did. I told her firmly that it wasn’t her place to have an opinion. I’m done with the DomPost.
Ok. I’m wrong, and Palmer was much wronger. I dipped a bit into some of my Treaty stuff, because of the vexing issue of “principles” of the Treaty. However these principles have been well and truly defined since then.
But it looks as if Geoffrey and co incorporated the ‘ principles ‘ of the Treaty into legislation to avoid having to reference or incorporate the Treaty itself. Not ok.
I long ago read Palmer writing that women should not dye their hair, and think him a jerk I don’t want to waste more time on.
This explains the Wellington City Council’s determination to deprive its citizens of efficient public transport : buses are certainly a form of colonial institutional transportation. However it still doesn’t explain why the WCC scores so very badly regarding pedestrian and cyclists’ safety. Another lose/lose situation for both the rate-payers and the workers, and not much fun for those who get killed navigating the city’s streets.
Prince Philip has died and while I agree with much of what you say in particular about the level of service of some of the older generation lived vs the virtue, trigger warned, offended, individualists of late , I also think that it’s not the time for media to comment on the royal family being against each other. A death is hopefully a time of reconciliation.
Excellent appraisal Bomber.
Likely to trigger the green-hairs because it’s true.
I celebrated when Margaret Thatcher died, but this guy really just outlived his era. If some want to view the world as some sort of Coronation Street, go for it.
Various Windsors remain the highest paid beneficiaries in the UK, but their day will come.
Bring on the Republic of Aotearoa NZ.
I agree TM. The Queen could let go a lot of her wealth and help many people. Yes. Bring on the Republic of Aotearoa NZ. And allso move toward globally egalitarian co-operation.
Exactly ‘highest paid beneficiaries’…. socialism for the rich but HARD capitalism for the ‘not so’ fortunate born
“Philip was ….. a masculinity that was subservient to female power in a way that those very same Millennials scream for…….”….thats hilarious…its nothing to do with male/female respect or sexual equality or female power…its entirely about historical protocol and tradition…just like when Elizabeth 1 and Queen Victoria ruled….yet the monarchy’s archaic system of male-preference primogeniture was only overturned in 2012 ffs…
I agree, Siobhan. I don’t buy Martyn’s narrative perspective on this. Supporting British royalty isn’t on the left hand side of social perspective..
There is an awful lot of gatekeeping forming up. First they wanted everyone that’s mysogonist (all men) gone, then lesbians (all woman) now they want everyone in there online echo chambers to amplify the school strikes. Pathetic. Fuck your tactical genius. I doubt you even realise who you’ve fucked yourself happy to walk you through it again.
Spot on appraisal @ MB.
Markle’s an American misfire. A damp squib. But then aren’t they all when it comes to Class ?
Oh fuck off. Leave Meghan alone you unhinged.
Agree. The passing of a man of such stature should not be sullied by being associated with a female seemingly bent on destroying his family, telling whopping lies, and wanting to influence us all – but you’re welcome to her.
Oh no dear-e. YOU, fuck off. And let me guess? If you did indeed fuck off you’d fuck off in a Cadillac? “I’ll have chrome fins with my crass please?” Clearly you’re not as bored as the rest of the world at ‘mericans fucking about in foreign policy and businesses of foreign states where their hooked snoots don’t belong.
Now? Where was I…?
Oh yes. Read this.
While the americans spray glyphosate and jam cows into feedlots to feed the Wall Martians Prince William’s saying it like it actually is to the World Bankster.
Go Prince William.
The Guardian
“Banks should invest in nature to fight climate crisis, says Prince William”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/08/banks-should-invest-in-nature-to-fight-climate-crisis-says-prince-william
AFKTT and Tiger Mountain have summed it up. And how much money will they waste on the funeral of this old anachronistic leech that could be given to the NHS or beneficiaries? Millions I expect.
Meghan: “Unless they’re racist, surely Archie must be made the new Duke of Edinburgh, right?”
Edward will become Duke of Edinburgh once the Queen dies and Charles takes the throne.
The whole Megan thing is really Harry’s fault . He of all people should have realized the problems that would arise for a woman entering the royal family especial an American of independent means. Rich pushy Americans are not liked by the British who still cannot understand why they did not want to stay under the British flag . The class system is hard to explain to someone not brought up, in it especially to American where just becoming wealthy puts you up the ladder . This is not the case in UK .
Breeding sets people apart and Harry was selfish to think his choosen partner would not encounter this .
Not sure why all the hating on Megan…….unless people here are aspiring to be like Piers Morgan…..
Do you not take her mental health seriously?
In regards to Meghan and in the words of Philip himself
“such dull and dreary nonsense”
No more outings in the Rangie now you old devil. R. I. P
This is a gracious memorial to Prince Phillip, and a poignant reminder of the triviality of modern “Sleb Culture”
Thanks Martyn
Sleb = Celebrity for anyone over 30 who’s playing along at home 🙂 (I had to look it up)
From ITV: David Attenborough pays tribute for his conservation work
Like everyone, he’s great because he is dead.
I’m already sick and tired of the lazy non-stop media coverage which appears to be an opportunity for a whole raft of the privileged to show their ugly mugs on screen.
Then seemingly every journalist immersed in composing non-stop eulogies. The world isn’t going to come to a stop because of the death of a ceremonial figure. There are far more serious concerns raging out there.
Seems to have been a heart-throb to some now elderly woman back in the day, one of the few forms of relevance to many commoners by the look of it.
I’ll be glad when he is buried along with this whole story.
I am even sick of listening about that country, memorial after memorial, crisis after crisis; sounds like the whole country is dying.
Then connecting this with Meagan Markle. Who cares about some gossip rag narrative.
Line of succession
In keeping with Letters Patent issued for the third creation of the dukedom in 1947, the Prince of Wales, as the duke’s eldest son, automatically inherited the title on his father’s death,[11] becoming the second Duke of the third creation. Although the following individuals are in the line of succession to the Dukedom, they are also in line of succession to the throne. As a consequence, should one of the following individuals become king while Duke, the Dukedom of Edinburgh would cease to exist, as it would merge with the Crown.
If the Prince of Wales becomes King, the dukedom will be recreated for his younger brother the Earl of Wessex, making him the first Duke of the fourth creation.[11] The line of succession as of 2021 is as follows:
Prince Philip, 1st Duke of Edinburgh (1921–2021)
Coronet of the British Heir Apparent.svg Charles, Prince of Wales, 2nd Duke of Edinburgh (b. 1948)
(1) Coronet of a Child of the Heir Apparent.svg Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1982)
(2) Coronet of a Child of the Heir Apparent.svg Prince George of Cambridge (b. 2013)
(3) Coronet of a Child of the Heir Apparent.svg Prince Louis of Cambridge (b. 2018)
(4) Coronet of a Child of the Heir Apparent.svg Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (b. 1984)
(5) Archie Mountbatten-Windsor (b. 2019)
(6) Coronet of a Child of the Sovereign.svg Prince Andrew, Duke of York (b. 1960)
(7) Coronet of a Child of the Sovereign.svg Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (b. 1964)
(8) Coronet of a Grandchild of the Sovereign.svg James, Viscount Severn (b. 2007)
Nicely nuanced Bomber. In being his own man the Duke defined his role rather than let it define him, and for that at least he deserves respect. But that was sadly lacking at the Herald which thought it proper to headline New Zealand’s message of condolence as being sent by “Ardern” instead of, “The Prime Minister.”
Before offering any eulogies I’d want to know what was Philip’s role in and viewpoint on Gough Whitlam’s dismissal?
Now some might see that as an obscure comment, but I said similar to a friend today before seeing your take on TDB Richard, the Royals are not hands off politically at all.
I doubt Meghan will be traveling, she will be too heavily pregnant.
The Duke was 99, nothing to blame but old age there.
There are small children where Harry and Meghan go, can we leave them alone and try not to scar them along with their parents?
Well, he’s off to the Third Reich in the sky to join the other Nazis.
You soil us. Have some respect boy.
‘Boy?’ Really? It kinda explains your prejudice and bigotry doesn’t it?
Mr tuff guy behind the keyboard.
‘Boy’ ? Perhaps because, “ when I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” 1 Corinthians 13.
Isiah 50:4-5 “The tongue of the learned is given to speak a word in season to those who are weary”.
You must be really really tough waiting for a guy to die and carve up his legacy. You’re so gifted my boy.
What legacy? His Nazi, German bloodline(s)? The “House of Windsor” isn’t very English on both counts. Coburg Sax, Hanover, etc …
Scum.
Yes yes yes. Our history may start with the Saxons but it does not end with the them. What I mean by that is the Queen doesn’t care who governs New Zealand. The Royal Family has been trying to get out of its commonwealth responsibilities since the fall of Singapore in WW2. All that wealth and power gone in 1 generation. They’re lucky they didn’t lose the lot. Now it’s time to let it rest. Do what ever you need to to get it out of your system. Instead of trying to rehash the past I in the other hand would prefer being at the edge of future development let’s go.
Denny P – Any man who lays his life on the line for his country, as did Prince Phillip, is deserving of our respect. Young people all over the world have been inspired and empowered by his Duke of Edinburgh Awards scheme, including N Z’ers. He was more than just a very good looking man with brains – he used those brains to help others in very tangible ways – after quite a traumatising childhood, which may be why he became very family orientated, and by all accounts, a jolly good husband. He also epitomised that vanishing word : Duty.
Well said.
A big thumbs up there Snow White.
Snow White: “Any man who lays his life on the line for his country, as did Prince Phillip, is deserving of our respect.”
Hear hear. And amen to everything else you say here.
Prince Philip was a class act. Which is a great deal more than can be said for some commenters on this thread.
@ Denny Paoa … Your comment is quite unnecessary given the present circumstances. So easy for the ignorant to piss on the dead isn’t it Denny?
A fair and respectful post Martyn. Thanks.
The brits obsesseion about their House of Hanover upstarts is nauseating in the extreme. especially when they treat the ordinary Bene like sh*t on their leather shoe sole. It’s long overdue the cosseted b*stard got orf the public tit that’s kept him in luxury long past when the ordinary brit kicks the bucket. Give me Meghan anyday.
The nauseating creep show is on down here with a gun salute! YUK!
Jay11 “Give me Meghan any day” – John Key looked a Hollywood- dazzled person, just like you seem to be. Your choice – but tinsel is far from being the strongest sort of string which binds any community – nor has California produced the steady stream of philosophers, scholars, scientists, musicians, and theologians which Germany did from the mid-19thC on. Nothing like it ! Even the Brits do better – except perhaps with the theologians, which is another dimension altogether I reckon.
Jay – Phil the Greek, not Philip the Hanover. Great people the Greeks – best fish’n’chips north of Bulls – originally Danish – lovely people the Danes -much nicer than us – a dab hand at pastry – wonderful soliloquies.
And here is why the left can’t win.
When so many so called lefties are falling over themselves fawning over one of the elitists pricks who died.
It’s the same mentality which condemned the Peasants’ Revolt in 1381, this sickening love affair with royalty.
One which sees millions die in useless wars.
A slave mentality in so called rational people.
It’s as tiresome, it is boring, and it is weak.
There’s the centre left, left, far left. Then there’s the Greens. We can’t allow these factions to run anything they’ll just try and take each other out. The Prime Minister had to lead and take control, have intimate knowledge of the baruacracy and industrial Labour and the government can’t keep borrowing. Borrowing has to restart foreign investment.
Meanwhile………. the planet is becoming uninhabitable and the insufferable pain and torture of our most vulnerable people including young children and babies denied life saving operations because our neo liberal profit first and lives second continues.
Phillip Mountbatten has had a privileged life and while i applaud his public duty to the current monarch these people do not live in the REAL neo liberal nightmare that so many are relegated to.
I could say more but the coverage i have not watched was entirely predictable.
Mosa bear in mind that that the Duke of Edinburgh was hated by the Brit establishment – or most of it – who apparently never missed an opportunity to malign him, so he must have been doing something right.
For some older people death-shorn of close ties, Prince Philip was a constant in their lives, and in troubled times like these, it’s not hard to see why his departure could be unsettling, and genuinely upsetting. We’ve not had a similar sort of national figure here that I can think of since Ed Hillary, also a thoroughly decent sort of bloke – and who did more for Nepal than many may ever know – or would care about.
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Duke is a very nice and soft spoken on my knowledge. Deepest condolence to the royal family and all of us (people) in deep grieve. May his soul rest in peace.
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