The Chinese worker who left police custody on the way to the airport on Thursday night had a charge of absconding, which carries a maximum sentence of five years, withdrawn when he appeared in the Auckland District Court this morning.
The worker who was in a very distressed state after 10-days in custody had simply opened an unlocked door of the patrol car on the way to the airport and got out. He had hoped to recover lost property and money he was owed. He then walked for seven hours’ confused and disoriented before speaking to an early morning exerciser who spoke Mandarin and they agreed that he should surrender himself to the police again.
The worker’s lawyer, Matt Robson, said he has suffered migrant labour exploitation and should be released to allow that to be investigated but the magistrate said he had no power to do so and he was remanded in police custody again on the outstanding immigration matters.
The worker asked to speak to the Court and begged to be able to work in New Zealand so he could earn back the large amount of money paid in fees to get here and provide for his parents, wife and child back in China.
The Minister of Immigration Kris Faafoi has said this case is not a case of trafficking. The person he delegated the authority to make this decision did so, it seems from the email trail, after examining the documents for 20 minutes.
But the government’s own website on trafficking includes the circumstances of these workers who were recruited and made false promises in China and paid huge fees for fake visas that they thought would be work visas and were then told they could change from their visitor status once they arrived, which was a lie. At the top of the site is a summary statement:
The United Nations defines people trafficking as the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of a person by deceptive, coercive or other improper means for the purpose of exploiting that person. It is a global crime, committed at the expense of victims who are robbed of their dignity and freedom.
Unite Union advocate Mike Treen wants to know from Minister Kris Faafoi which part of “recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of a person by deceptive, coercive or other improper means for the purpose of exploiting that person,” does not apply in this and so many other cases that go without investigation.
Come on Mike. Keep going at him, he can’t debate you. Serve him.
There are currently 141,000 unemployed kiwi workers and many more underemployed.
This guy paid $20,000 to steal a kiwi workers job.
He made his loan/investment decision without doing enough research and came here on a visitors visa intending to work. He knew deportation was the downside risk.
Mike please name and shame the construction company owners and introduce them to some kiwis workers who need a job.
Absolutely.
While I agree that the company should be exposed for what they did. It must be remembered that the last government had given those usurers the green light to do exactly what they are doing, and ensured a hollowed out oversight capacity was never going to threaten them.. My issue is with the assumptions made that have led to this “He made his loan/investment decision without doing enough research and came here on a visitors visa intending to work. He knew deportation was the downside risk”.. You don’t “know” that, or whether it would have been possible for this person to get the information that would have clarified the laws in a language he understood well enough to understand.. These “immigrants are only taking jobs that the National party government gave to them while willingly throwing NZers on to the scrapheap… Don’t be blaming the guy who just wants to make a living, blame the arseholes who deliberately pushed their own people out of the way to give them that job..
There are currently 141,000 unemployed kiwi workers and many more underemployed.
This guy paid $20,000 to steal a kiwi workers job.
He made his loan/investment decision without doing enough research and came here on a visitors visa intending to work. He knew deportation was the downside risk.
Mike please name and shame the construction company owners and introduce them to some kiwis workers who need a job.
Plenty of Kiwis have worked illegally too and they get deported once caught. You are an idiot if you work illegally in someone else’s country and expect them to give you roses and permanent residency like the woke want NZ to do.
We have multiple crisis like housing and healthcare, that we didn’t use to have due to the unions and woke spending more time financing foreign workers, traffickers etc, into NZ than trying to get decent working conditions to workers who live in NZ already and are NZ citizens.
Yes well I believe in open boarders and that New Zealand can accommodate a population of 80 million.
Yknow you’ve got a hate Bonner for immigrants yknow straight away your like immigrants are stealing. The first thing I saw going through your dammed comments was “the woke are stupidity.” I’m sorry bro that sgits just funny to me.
@ Sam, No I don’t have any hatred for immigrants, I believe in a social welfare state and a natural environment, and pluralism on Earth, (aka some populated places, some unpopulated places for diversity) which are not compatible with open borders and millions of people living everywhere on earth.
I also notice the woke and right wingers favouring open borders have an intolerance for other people’s opinions and their responses quickly turn to insults which is another reason I do not favourite the woke thought police ideals. If you want thought police, there are many countries that already have that, go there, if that is of interest.
When you have millions of people come to a country it quickly turns into a slum and exploiter haven, especially if you do it quickly over a short period of time. 80 million people in NZ might be your dream, but I am entitled to my own opinion which is that it will decrease the quality of life for everyone (people, flora, fauna) in NZ when and as that ‘dream’ happens.
Already been done in Dhaka.
“Dhaka reflects the trajectory of Bangladesh in the 50 years since independence, on 26 March 1971. At that time it was a small city of a million souls in a poor and underdeveloped nation, after decades of Pakistani neglect.
Now Dhaka is a megacity, an economic hub that has grown chaotically – outwards and upwards – to absorb the 20 million people who live there, with 400,000 arriving each year. ” https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/26/the-making-of-a-megacity-how-dhaka-transformed-in-50-years-of-bangladesh
I’m not going to let you talk around accusing a guy of theft when he’s in jail for nothing more than going to work.
Write what ever opinions about woke destractions you like.
Bitch I’m not distracted.
Now quite packpeddling or concede this guy ain’t a thef.
Sam, follow the thread, Joseph was the one that called the guy a thief. Nobody knows if he is a thief or not, but we do know he was working illegally and then ran off when arrested, which suggests that he does not respect NZ laws.
You wreck your own arguments and credibility abusing people, especially since you can’t even work out the thread of who said what.
The Human Rights Act clearly states y’all won’t beat up poor defenceless immigrants. Clearly. https://www.govt.nz/browse/law-crime-and-justice/human-rights-in-nz/human-rights-and-freedoms/#:~:text=One%20is%20the%20Human%20Rights,Bill%20of%20Rights%20Act%201990.&text=The%20Act%20includes%2C%20among%20other,to%20be%20free%20from%20discrimination.
It actually says:
“Human rights are the basic rights and freedoms we’re all entitled to, no matter what our age, ethnicity, culture, religion or sex.”
It doesn’t matter what who or where this guy comes from or the deceptive practices that got him to New Zealand, he paid his taxes, he paid the price in more ways than one. He’s either a human being or you have to prove that theirs something that makes him sit outside the Human race.
Employers know the difference. When defending a guy like this you have to know what the minimum is no matter who the employees is they are always trying to dive under the minimum 109%.
I guess I’m lucky to have you, SaveNZ for optics, because I would never dignitfy a brain dead person like Joseph with this level of response, as I don’t care about people’s views of me and they aren’t worth 2 secounds of typing time, I would just let the non-brain dead reach their own conclusions.
The guy loaned $20,000 to steal a job off an unemployed kiwi. He can go back to China get a job in the booming China economy pay his loan back and press fraud charges against the chinese agents in China.
Mike please name and shame the employers and introduce them to some kiwis whose jobs these rightfully are.
Who you? Your argument isn’t based on reality. What kind of theif would pay to steal something they just take it. That’s such a weird argument.
+1 Joseph – the woke are stupidly helping the traffickers and loan sharks in China and other countries by encouraging more illegal or in debt workers to come to NZ! If the woke cared about the workers they would stop them coming to NZ in the first place and therefore not borrowing the money. While there is hope and results that illegal workers settle in NZ, then thousands and thousands of illegal workers will come. They need to start as source, aka stop the visas being issued in the first place so the scam can’t start with literally billions of people in India, China, and other similar countries that have high levels of corruption and scams.
Meanwhile more legitimate people can’t get their immigration visas processed due to massive demand, nobody returning to NZ can get MIQ places, our houses and apartments are falling down and it is now better to join a gang in NZ than try to get a job anywhere, overrun with illegal workers, doing anything they can to continue on the scams.
Oh here we go. Premises are based off accepted positions, why do I have to argue everything with you a second time.
His opinion of immigration scams? What do I even say to you about that? Want me to argue against Josephs opinion? That’s just nonsense.
Not nonsense. Fact.
The guy can’t defend himself from being accused ass a thief, overstayer or what ever biases y’all need confirming so I’m happy to defend him around here.
I won’t let any of you move on until you can prove that he obtained financial gain through deception. James started it now bring dweebs.
Three years ago my father-in-law had his visitor’s visa cancelled without anyone telling him.
Because no-one told him he thought his five year visa with multiple re-entries was active.
He decided to spend the summer with his family here.
He bought his ticket, went to the airport and was told he did not have a valid visa and could not go.
I sent about finding what had happened and on father-in-law’s behalf I wrote to Iian Lees-Galloway, the then minister of Immigration. I asked for an explanation of why father-in-law’s visa was cancelled.
He of the doubled barrelled name referred me to( wait for it) KRIS FAAFOI, then deputy minister of Immigration.
What this man thought of the situation I will never know. He never contacted us, never responded to letters and e-mails or telephone calls. Just nothing- completely ignored us.
I mean not only is the man incompetent he also has no manners.
Eventually I found the reason father-in-law’s visa was cancelled. He left New Zealand about four hours later than he should have and this meant that the computer automatically cancelled his visa for overstaying.
Now I do not dispute that Immigration New Zealand had a perfect right to cancel father-in-law’s visa but why did they not tell him his visa was now useless?
I mean when I drive too fast and a speed camera snaps me I at least get a reason as to why I have to pay a fine.
The rest is a very long story but we never got a reason as to why Immigration New Zealand cancelled the visa except that various members of staff claimed they did not have to inform us( which if you tramp through the Immigration Act is not true, but I never found anyone in Immigration who actually read the relevant section. Also it defies common sense.)
The point is that Kris Faafoi was throughout useless as well as discourteous and I do not expect he is any different now.
Good luck Mike but I do not envy you talking to a brick wall that is Faafoi.
Or we could look at it this way;
Everytime someone on a work visa whose time is up and has to leave, they give the almost impossible to verify exploitation story. And it was soooo bad they do a runner from police enroute to the airport, just so they can stay in the country that exploited them. Plus a lawyer gets to clip the ticket.
A statement could easily be taken from him, his contact details confirmed back in China and an investigation take place just the same. But of course one assumes if the exploitation took place back in his homeland it will be next to impossible to prove or disprove, much less investigate.
And given how difficult it will be to deal with this matter, he could be here forever. But if that’s the standard why bother to with visas. Why not have a free for all?
Or we just believe, unquestioning and the taxpayer as it always foots the bill from the bottomless pit?
Faafoi and Davies would be 2 of the most usless ministers in a lack luster lineup . Both have made some very poor decisions since gain office .
You understand how debate works right?
We argue inorder to come to some sort of agreement. That former immigration minister Micheal Woodhouse was immune to agreeing with a rational debate. Hell you can’t even do a rational conservative argument.
You throw down with everyone but me. Come at me with your full energy virgin.
And of course, the ministers in the last government ere not the ones who stacked the ministries with “their” people, or allowed the agencies who had oversight to starve though under funding.. Yes that’s right.. The “labour” guys are useless because they haven’t fixed it all instantly… The naivete and stupidity of kiwis is actually breathtaking in its width and depth..
Some people aren’t smart and can’t track. I’m amazed how patient some people can be with alts.
If they were really serious amd wanted to stamp this exploitative behaviour out, they need to in all cases also be gunning for the “employers”.
For NZ born exploiter “employers” there should be very large fines, and jail time.
For “new” NZ permanent residents/citizens exploiting those of their country of birth, the penalties need to be hard. Like loss of NZ citizenship or permanent residence, and deportation. No more wet bus tickets.
The message sent to all would be exploiters needs to be strong via these penalties that it won’t be tolerated in NZ.
I expect I would die holding my breath waiting for anything like this to ever happen though.
/agreed @PollyTickle
It astounds me that people find it hard to see that, but they’d rather make assumptions about how and why people are here. (It’s easier I guess)
Politicians and administrators appear to be relying on those ill-informed assumptions to justify not doing anything about what is effectively people trafficking and bondage.
There’s money to be made – not unlike the trade in endangered species. Target the exploiters, not their victims OR don’t pretend to be concerned about it.
I agree with ‘gunning for employers’ but so far I can’t see anybody including Mike Treen doing that. In fact he is taking money from taxpayers to compensate people (aka Chinese ACC widow payout) while the employers get away with it and are never prosecuted and put in jail or deported.
NZ has allowed entire systems to now be run almost entirely from Chinese and overseas workers with bosses who liquidate companies. and this has to stop, but stopping Chinese and other foreign worker entering NZ. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124715502/sacked-for-speaking-out-chinese-migrant-worker-fired-by-concrete-company
The entire company should be closed down and investigated with criminal charges laid against the bosses and the Chinese managers.
No wonder so much concrete in NZ is now faulty and soon our buildings will start falling down – just like in China, India and Italy with corruption rampant.
Kiwis can no longer get work because there are so many scams going on and huge amount of discrimination against experienced workers.
Auckland man’s job hunt: 3000 applications, 158 interviews, still no work
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mans-job-hunt-3000-applications-158-interviews-still-no-work/DGE7W67VAXKNGUWBT4HJZHISJA/
Second-class workers? Redundant worker finds life as contractor stressful
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124639332/secondclass-workers-redundant-worker-finds-life-as-contractor-stressful
Covid-19 coronavirus: Locals keen to pick fruit ignored or rejected, foreign workers allowed to enter NZ
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-coronavirus-locals-keen-to-pick-fruit-ignored-or-rejected-foreign-workers-allowed-to-enter-nz/BHIQNQIYAVNWWBKORIUTWNNGIM/
Kiwi fruit pickers have simple message as growers cry out for labour – ‘pay us more’
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwi-fruit-pickers-have-simple-message-growers-cry-labour-pay-us-more
The story in NZ is, increasingly many jobs in areas with high migrant workforce wages have not not gone up much in 20 years – from construction to fruit picking. Furthermore other jobs are just disappearing through easy redundancy leaving the experienced workers worst off.
Mike Treen used to know this because he did a blog on chefs at Sky city and their pay rates and temp permits which he was against in 2016. Mike, You predicted the future in 2016, don’t sell out! https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/08/07/must-read-migration-chefs-and-essential-skills/
Hey mike,stop calling these people migrant labour/workers. They are “guest workers” that we in NZ treat very badly. They are not migrants because most have no pathway to stay here permanently.
You are buying into the narrative of the govt and news media by stating this, they do not want the average person in NZ to know or care about what happens to these people.
I think its disgusting the way we treat these guest workers.
Guests who never leave and take up housing, health care, maternity, superannuation, aged care and police time. Maybe time to stop the ‘guest workers’, because the hosts actually want to use their own housing, health, maternity, superannuation, aged care and justice system and not have it overloaded with ‘guest workers’ and their expanding families.
saveNZ they are guest workers that come here to work for 3 years and then have to go home. They are staying here at the moment because of the pandemic. The fact is we need them and cant let their replacements into the country at the moment. They do not normally have their family with them ether.
The absolute minimum outcome for this case is that the employer loses the right to obtain work permits forever. Anything less makes the law a joke.
More than 300,000 workers in New Zealand are migrant workers. They make up 15% of New Zealand’s total workforce. New Zealand benefits enormously from having these temporary migrant workers here. Both New Zealand’s health system and our agricultural sector are heavily dependent on these workers, without them both sectors would collapse.
It is imperative that New Zealanders, especially our union movement, need to stand together with our migrant worker brothers and sisters to defend their human rights.
An injury to one is an injury to all.
Myth number 500,000 from trickle down Rogernomics, mass immigration helped NZ. Government debt almost at 100,000 billion, councils going under due to debt from the infrastructure, More than one in three households are contributing nothing to New Zealand’s tax take, – 40 per cent – receive more in tax credits and other benefits than they pay in tax. Thousands more are neutral contributors, or are close to it, there are going to be more Asian pensioners in NZ than Maori and Pacific Island pensioners combined. Assets sales continue to grow.
Covid has exposed the myth that NZ does not need migrants to get the job done . Christchurch rebuild would have not progressed as well as it has without overseas expertise. Even basic work like picking fruit is not done by locals as it is not work that can turn into full time all year round occupation so is not worth travelling. This applies to all Western nations in the UK despite large unemployment crops rooted in the ground.
The world now needs each other more than ever and this dependance should lead to a greater exceptance of one another and less friction.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/our-yeah-nah-migration-policy-is-mean-and-fraudulent
Most guest workers in NZ are indentured (they can not change their employer and go work for another empolyer, its in their NZ visa).
This is only one step before salvery. Its unkiwi-like and disgusting to say the least.
The govtment,media and employers do not want the people of NZ to know this, so tell your family,work m8s and freinds.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/our-yeah-nah-migration-policy-is-mean-and-fraudulent
And that is why temp visas need to be banned and resources put into putting the hundreds of thousands of local unemployed to do those jobs that are not the equivalent to slave labour for private practise paid for by NZ taxpayers paying for unskilled labour’s social welfare, health care, schooling, infrastructure, residency opportunity. Instead the billions for ‘infrastructure’ should be used to help those who live here get jobs and skills and a decent education, to get them out of poverty.
In addition there needs to be a minimum salary for temp worker which is $100k+ for skilled people whose employer and employe pay 50:50 on $50k bonds to the government which they lose if they default on anything like the employer going into liquidation or the employee losing their job to repatriate them back to their home so the NZ taxpayer isn’t constantly paying for their deportations.
That is the way to stop exploitation, not to encourage hundreds of thousands per year of migrants in a Russian roulette of people coming here, many of whom can’t cope, can’t get jobs, and fail to thrive in NZ, turn to crime and bring down others.
Most guest workers in NZ are indentured (they can not change their employer and go work for another employer, its in their NZ visa).
This is only one step before slavery. Its unkiwi-like and disgusting to say the least.
The government,media and employers do not want the people of NZ to know this, so tell your family,work m8s and friends.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/our-yeah-nah-migration-policy-is-mean-and-fraudulent
Mike it seems you don’t understand the meaning of guest.
ds. Yes i do understand the meaning of guest workers. That’s the term used by the Germans for the Turks that came to work in their country many years ago.
Are you are buying into the narrative of the govt,employers and news media by calling these people migrant workers?
They do not want the average person in NZ to know or care about what happens to these people.
ds. Yes i do understand the meaning of guest workers. That’s the term used by the Germans for the Turks that came to work in their country many years ago.
Are you are buying into the narrative of the govt,employers and news media by calling these people migrant workers?
They do not want the average person in NZ to know or care about what happens to these people.
ds. Yes i do understand the meaning of guest workers. That’s the term used by the Germans for the people from other lands that came to work in Germany many years ago.
Are you are buying into the narrative of the govt,employers and news media by calling these people migrant workers?
They do not want the average person in NZ to know or care about what happens to these people.
Go get’em Mike! With a Minister who spells his first name with a “K!” FFS! I have no confidence in his ability.
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