One of the most alarming parts about the police gaining the omnipotence of God with real time face surveillance software that will enable the Police to find you anywhere at anytime through all live CCTV feeds is how the Police have quietly and very secretly gained this technology from human rights abusing corporates without anyone noticing.
Th Police could get it past Stuart Nash because the Nashy is easy to distract, but Poto Williams is supposed to be smarter.
Let me be very clear here, no one has yet clicked that what the Police are really doing with all these photos and using them with face surveillance software is to formulate real time protocols so that the Police are able to tap into live stream CCTV feeds and use the face surveillance in real time.
They aren’t gaining a static technology, they are getting real time, full spectrum omnipotence without a fucking word spoken to the rest of the Government let alone the civil rights watchdogs!
Folks – do any of you trust the NZ Police with that level of unchecked power?
It will be like the Eye of Mordor, but run by the cops!
I don’t care what the justification is, that level of seamless real time mass surveillance is an incredibly dangerous power for any branch of a Government to have unfettered access to!
What happens when the extension to this is AI targeted policing using algorithms to decide Policing resources?
None of this is even surfacing right now.
At some point the scope of what the Police are trying to establish here is going to bob to the surface of public scrutiny.
The Labour Government better have some good answers when it does.
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Poto Williams and smart – there’s an oxymoron if ever I saw one. And no woketards that’s not racist that is just an observation based on performance to date. When Simeon Brown is moping the floor with her in the debating chamber you have to ask whether or not Williams is the right person for the job.
Onto the subject matter – I agree. There is a pattern emerging across all spectrums and it ain’t democratic at all.
Frank shouldn’t that be “mopping” the floor. I know Simeon is a whiny little prick so yeah he could well be prone to moping. Kinda goes hand in hand with whining and bleating doncha’ fink??
Cheers for youro bservation which I agree with by the way.
English was never my strong point at school thanks for the correction
Jesus.. I best iron my kkk hood so I can wear it when I walk past cameras.
What’s wrong with cops having these powers? Better than crims having the powers they have now? Oh yes… I forgot, crime pays in NZ.
Don’t do crime and you’ll be fine.
Should the religious right gain power and criminalise your favourite sexual behaviour I guess you’ll be fine with police sending a drone cam to your bedroom.
They’d only film in public places, so if you want to show them how you like it…go ahead.
“They’d only film in public places, so if you want to show them how you like it…go ahead.”
The police don’t own our public places. Their activity is theoretically constrained by what we allow them to do.
The surveillance issue involves everybody’s right and expectations of degrees of privacy, anywhere.
Besides, there just too much crime now in NZ. Don’t do the crime and you’ll be fine.
Besides, why do you lefties revolt as soon as law and order comes up? NZ crime is out of control and you want to make crime easy. Jacinda could be tossed out on crime, law and order next election if National and Act get smart about it. Look at the news…Wellington now not safe at night. My daughter lives there, she confirms it.
That’s NZ these and you want to accept that? I don’t.
No different anywhere else Jaspinda. My daughter isn’t safe in Melbourne where she has a been assaulted at knife point by a Sudanese refugee.And in broad daylight while she was working in Central Melbourne.
Jacinda won’t be tossed out on law n order next election rest assured. I don’t get short sighted alarmists like you. This is invasive tech that has been brought without notifying the public. No one asked us if we want this. Oh and it hasn’t prevented crime anywhere else and people do get framed by dodgy photos.
The problem is not what the tell you they are using the technology for – its what they don’t tell you that they use the technology for. All this information is stored and held. What’s to say it is used for other purposes in due course.
The sad reality is many of the science fiction parables of the 19th century are coming true. Of course all those same books are now banned from school curriculum therefore the young will never get the irony.
Jaspa – “Crime pays in New Zealand “ ? Really ? In what way ?
Pip
Do I really need to answer that? Do you know how much a Harley costs?
yeah of course Jaspinda the NZ Police wouldn’t never make anything up or smear anyone or lie with the use of this technology.
The cops are worse than the criminals.
Not quite the power of God – God would just smite the felons on the spot, or say ‘ Judge not lest you be judged’, and maybe dispense with the judicial process, and save tax payer money, by tossing them straight into Hell – or Dipton, Eketahuna, Tawa, or one of the sadly- receding West Coast glaciers.
If this technology can nab wicked gangsters making and peddling methamphetamine and importing and using lethal weapons which kill people, and if it can save a nurse going on duty at 5am from getting killed by adolescents in a stolen car, and if it means that firefighters and cops and para medics and other first responders do not have their peace of mind and tranquility wrecked, repeatedly, by terrible scenes and sights, then it may be worth considering.
I’d be more concerned about the police recruiting school leavers- if they do. They have limited life experience, are often emotionally immature, especially males who can be on hormonal overload, and are less socially skilled than females – and often stay that way for life. Plus as arrogant as a J L – R.
What if the technology doesn’t do any of those things that you listed SW? It seems the Police targets have already been identified – young Maori kids who are minding their own business. Wouldn’t it be great if instead, there was technology that could miraculously identify the likes of white collar criminals and tax evaders, or better still, could tackle the most pervasive crime that fertilises most others – poverty!
Aom – I think the photographing of young boys is a separate issue, which is currently being investigated, and it certainly shouldn’t be an either/ or situation, with white collar criminals and tax evaders being ‘ favoured’ at the expense of anybody else.
Do we need technology to identify crime-drivers like poverty ? I don’t think so. Masses of information has been published about this, including by reputable NGO’s. Heaven forbid that govt be given any excuses to say that they need more info about it. They know. Not only do they know, but they have the gall to send hungry people off to charity food banks to feed their bellies.
I don’t think photographing minors IS a seperate issue. They have been doing it for a long time and this once there was a staunch family from Whanganui who knew what was happening and called them out. Big thanks to Charlene and Naomi. It may seem pretty rare for police to arrest one of their own but it’s now turning out that way. All use of this bumble soul stealing tech should be made illegal immediately no questions asked.
Okay Bomber you got me with this post . I will donate now.You deserve it.
In a capitalist democracy, such as ours, the role of the police is to protect the right to make profits. Which means to protect those who are in the business of exploiting those others whom they make profits from.
That means the banks. And when the banks become ever more efficient at what they do, we suffer then we react at ever alarmingly rising levels of dysfunction.
Poverty and hardship are necessary symptoms of profit-making without fetter and the banks have even worked out how to profit from the dysfunction they themselves create while they do so. Insurances anyone? Now!? Lets go shopping…!?
A socialist democracy will never be allowed to take shape. If it did? It would mean the end to poverty, exploitation and financial control.
And let’s think about the ‘control’ factor?
Cops are about control. They ‘control’ society. So? I have to ask? Whats coming? Where the cops of our profitably dysfunctional capitalist democracy, where voting is a choice rather than being mandatory, are preparing for the need to control us and to maintain control?
I think we should be more afraid than we think we already are.
My GUESS! ! ! would be that AO/NZ is, without our general knowing, on the open market. ‘They’ are already showing signs of attempts at psychologically alienating us from the unifying elements of the crown by bashing up the Queen etc. Rnz, for example, is rich in content for its condemnation of the crown.
As the globe heats beyond its ability to support human life in regions of significant populations we’re going to be hungrily eyed up by some very scary fuckers.
banks or not, they want to profile you (or you or you or you) so if you have a really strong stomach have a look: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9353345/TOM-LEONARD-real-life-Dr-Frankenstein.html
NZ Police intimidation of (at least) one NZ citizen.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/83EZXMoXFQ3f/
THE WORLD THAT IS BEING CREATED IS NOT FOR REAL HUMANS
NZ POLICE IN A PLAYGROUND somewhere in my country.
around about 17 minutes – give or take a few seconds = police intimidation!
I took a complaint to the Police Complaints Authority years ago about 2003 – what a total SNOW JOB!
I acknowledge that there are good people in the NZ Police. I also know (from when I was 13 y.o.) that there are shits in the NZ Police – all of whom need to be exposed for what they are.
From todays Herald, read it and ask, is it really that bad that cops photograph young people walking the streets in the early hours of the morning? For me, I am glad cops are stopping people wandering my neighborhood at the wee small hours.
WARNING: DISTRESSING CONTENT
A 14-year-old boy who lived with one of New Zealand’s youngest killers died tragically after suffering mental health issues.
Dontay West, cousin of Bailey Junior Kurariki, took his own life and died on December 18, 2017, after kissing his aunt goodnight for the last time, a coroner’s report, released today, found.
The teen – described by a family friend as a “good boy” – had been under Oranga Tamariki’s watch since birth after concerns about him being under the care of his aunt Lorraine West, Kurariki’s mum.
Kurariki – who was released from prison in May 2008 after being convicted of the manslaughter of pizza delivery man Michael Choy in 2002 – also lived at the property.
The coroner’s report said Dontay had a difficult childhood, with a history of mental health issues that required a stable home life and long-term mental health treatment.
On several occasions since February 2017, Dontay had disclosed to mental health professionals that he heard voices that commanded him to hurt himself or warned him that others would get hurt if he did not follow commands.
He also said the voices told him to fight others and that he enjoyed the adrenaline rush of fighting.
Dontay also reported problems with sleep and it was later discovered he would be out until early hours of the morning three or four nights a week.
Coroner Debra Bell was critical of Oranga Tamariki (OT) for not following up after reports on November 22, 2017, that Dontay had threatened to kill himself.
The social worker had tried to locate Dontay at home and school but was unsuccessful. There was no recorded information that OT attempted to contact or follow up with Dontay after that, the report said.
OT told the coroner it was difficult to implement a plan after being made aware of the young person’s suicidal intent without being able to locate Dontay.
“I still think some greater efforts/urgency may have been warranted given OT was aware of Dontay’s suicidal threat,” Bell said in response.
Throughout 2017, Dontay had been switching between living under his sister’s care in Ngaruawahia, in the Waikato, and West’s house in Auckland.
In October 2017, he moved back to Auckland but had been calling his sister daily and during one of those calls admitted he had not been taking his medication for the past three weeks.
“Ultimately it is a real shame Dontay returned to Auckland, but I don’t think much
could have been done to prevent that,” Bell said.
The day before Dontay took his own life, his behaviour did not seem out of the ordinary. He had spent the day at the swimming pools and had McDonald’s for dinner at home, before kissing his aunt goodnight on the cheek.
Later that night he was taken to Middlemore Hospital in an ambulance before being transferred to Starship Children’s Hospital. Despite full medical interventions, Dontay died the following afternoon.
The coroner gave her condolences to Dontay’s friends and family and acknowledged the efforts and care provided by Hauora Waikato and Whirinaki in their dealings with the teen’s care.
How the hell does this sad case history that outlines failures of OT and the mental heath system justify the Police photographing kids in public who have done nothing that should have attracted their attention? Also, please note that the complaint about the Police actions specifically mentioned that the photographs were taken during daylight hours, not the early hours of the morning as stated in your comment.
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