I had hoped that Biden would win by a landslide that would rule out Trump attempting to steal the election, I had hoped this would be the redemption of America, that the last 4 years had been some mangled blunder.
It turns out the American voting population are far more masochistic than I could have comprehended!
For the record, I supported Bernie!
Despite the thousands of lies, despite the millions sick and hundreds of thousands dead from Covid incompetence, despite the children taken at the border, despite the never ending hate, the bigotry, the naked racism, the painful sexism, the grotesque spectacle Trump has mutated the Presidency into – DESPITE ALL THAT – Americans still flocked to him.
3 stages of Trump grief:
There will be a last minute surge towards Biden
There has to be a last minute surge towards Biden
PLEASE GOD LET THERE BE A LAST MINUTE SURGE TOWARDS BIDEN
My feel is that Biden will win after all the votes are counted, but I fear Trump won’t allow that.
If Trump wins, it will be like the second coming for QAnon and Christmas for Putin.
Democrats may still win a political victory, but it being this close means America has lost any moral victory – that Trump’s spite & malice has not only been celebrated but rewarded robs the US of any leadership.
Watching Trump claim victory and start the process of legally stealing the election will cause outrage on the streets of America.
If Trump does lose 2020, his far better than predicted result will ensure he returns with the vengeance of Voldemort in 2024.
It doesn’t matter who wins now, the fact Trump is even close means America is the loser.
Weep for the Union because it is broken beyond repair. Toxic polarisation and Trump fans fed a diet of Fox News paranoia and hypocrisy have stalemated the shining City on the Hill into a dark fortress of gleeful ignorance.
Amerika – Land of the Me, Home of the Slave.
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“It turns out the American voting population are far more masochistic than I could have comprehended!”
Martyn Bradbury
Hi Martin, It turns out, while it was a big factor in his support ‘not being Trump’ was not enough for Joe Biden to win the election conclusively.
As Michael Moore said in 2016 the f**k you vote is very strong in America.
The people to blame for this fiasco are the Democratic National Committee (DNC) the governing body of the United States Democratic Party.
Give the people reform or they will give you revolution.
By not allowing a Reformer like Bernie Sanders on the ticket, for going for a Business as usual corporate politicians like Clinton or Biden instead, the voters have punished the DNC with a huge slap in the face.
What Michael Moore said in 2016 was as perceptive then as it is today, probably doubly so.
Michael Moore: “Trump’s Election Will Be The [second] Biggest Fuck You Ever Recorded In Human History”
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/10/25/michael-moore-trumps-election-will-be-the-biggest-fuck-you-ever-recorded-in-human-history/
Yes, a lot of Americans now see through the corruption and lies that have characterised the Democrats for decades, and abhor serving of the 1% by the Democrats.
The anti-democratic policies the Democrats have implemented make a mockery of the name. A bit like the anti-green policies of the Green party of NZ, but with far worse repercussions.
Of course, it makes little difference who get elected because the fundamental flaws and frauds that characterise the US are in the process of brining it down….also a bit like NZ, just further down the track of self-destruction.
Trump said “I won”.
Biden says, “Be patient”.
In a country not noted for its patience, or restraint, who do you think best captures the mood of the nation?
We are going to court.
Like all good banana republics; If the Presidency is not sorted in a Supreme Court, stacked with the President’s cronies, it will be sorted in the streets, by the President’s armed gangs.
Did anyone really think that Joe Biden would be President?
So who cares if millions of votes are not counted?
Nobody.
That’s old news.
Welcome to the new world order.
Actually it’s the old order repeated. Remember how Al Gore won against Bush but hundreds of thousands of votes were disallowed in the state governed by someone with a similar name -like Bush?
And Al Gore rolled over and conceded defeat, just as required by the system. Like he never really wanted to be president anyway.
The big question is why the hell did the Democrats put up Biden as a candidate in the first place, especially with so much corruption and lies insufficiently covered-up, and his poor mental capacity?
Speculation is, Biden is the foot in the door for Harris, who has been groomed for the role. A bit like Obama, who nobody had heard of till he suddenly appeared on the campaign scene.
It all goes to show how it’s all Orwellian and is just a show (a circus really) to give the proles the impression the ‘elites’ care about their welfare.
The same Orwellianism extends to NZ, of course where:
Labour is the party that orchestrates the screwing of the labouring classes and the transfer of wealth into the hands of the ‘elites’, whilst pandering to the wants of banks and corporations.
National is the party that couldn’t give a damn about the national interest and is only concerned with the interests of the select few in its own club of looters and polluters.
The Greens are the party that channels the environmental vote back into mainstream policy and promotes non-solutions to our environmental predicament that actually make it worse. Greeds, with a gentle touch.
New Zealand First was another party that couldn’t give a damn about the national interest as was all about Me First.
ACT is the party that shows no concern whatsoever for the major factors -resource depletion, environmental collapse and unravelling of Ponzi finance etc.- that will impact very badly on Consumers and Taxpayers in the very near future. In that respect ACT are Associated with all the other parties.
And we should not forget the “rigged” Florida 2000 voting scam using “sourse codes” only known to the programer so when the tabulating was scewed by the “rigged data system at least 10% of the voting was altered to suit the programer. Here Programer Clint Curtis explains how it was done.
Read all about it here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Curtis
As it shows they used the ‘rigged system’ here and you can bet trump won’t get hold of the key ‘couse code’ to open the program to discover how the election was actually rigged as it was set-up by a chinese company called “Yang enterprises” and we know that China is on a ‘war footing with trump’.
‘Welome to the digital war’.
https://www.alipac.us/f19/computer-programmer-testifies-re-rigged-election-voting-329802/
Initial allegations against Yang Enterprises and Tom Feeney
In 2001, Curtis first achieved public attention for a series of allegations against his former employer, Yang Enterprises, and against Tom Feeney, who was at that time serving as a Florida state legislator and as Yang’s attorney and as Yang’s lobbyist for local governments.
On May 10, 2001, shortly after leaving Yang and accepting a job with the Florida Department of Transportation, Curtis reported that Yang had overbilled the FDOT and hired an illegal alien.[2] Approximately a year later, on April 1, 2002, Curtis and his supervisor were both fired, allegedly for violating FDOT policies.[3] (Although Curtis’s supervisor later settled a retaliation lawsuit brought relating to her firing, Curtis reports that he did not sue because he “missed the filing deadline.”)[4] During that same year, Curtis’s accusations against Yang were the subject of a series of articles in the Daytona Beach News-Journal.[5]
Yang Enterprises denied Curtis’s allegations, and alleged that Curtis was a disgruntled former employee. According to the St. Petersburg Times, Curtis made his initial accusations against Yang one day after attorneys for Yang Enterprises questioned whether Curtis’s employment with the FDOT violated a non-compete agreement and whether Curtis had taken a confidential computer program with him when he left Yang. According to the St. Petersburg Times, “Curtis said he would not have filed complaints about Yang if the company had not harassed him.”Curtis denies that he stole any software from Yang Enterprises, and as of August 10, 2006, a lawsuit between Yang and Curtis was ongoing in Leon County, Florida.
“The big question is why the hell did the Democrats put up Biden as a candidate in the first place, especially with so much corruption and lies insufficiently covered-up, and his poor mental capacity?”
My take on that is that all the Dem inner circle is donkey deep in the same graft as Huntergate. if trump gets in again it will all come out within the next term. Biden is part of the group at the top who have all been on the take ,so he is the only one of the lineup who will safely bury the clinton email/russiagate/ Ukrainegate/ Epstein deals that will put them all in jail by the end of another term .
With or without Trump though, the GOP should have a fun time impeaching Biden for corruption during the next 4 years in a re run of russiagate, but with way more meat.
D J S
“Despite the thousands of lies, despite the millions sick and hundreds of thousands dead from Covid incompetence, despite the children taken at the border, despite the never ending hate, the bigotry, the naked racism, the painful sexism, the grotesque spectacle Trump has mutated the Presidency into – DESPITE ALL THAT – Americans still flocked to him.”
Interestingly America is wracked with hatred , but it is hatred of Trump rather than by Trump. Everyone fears violence if Trump wins narrowly. No one seems to be worried about violence if Biden wins. There’s a message in that.
D J S
David your last paragraph describes what is known as “Trump derangement syndrome” which is basically leftists hating Trump without really knowing why. It’s what they are told to do without questioning because “orange man bad”.
Some people have morals and ethics, Trump has none.
Yes, it really is that simple. And works for people who don’t think or research for themselves.
You mean like people like Ellsberg and Chomsky?
Th Imperative of Defeating Trump
“Sometimes it’s worthwhile to take a little time away from real politics, an interlude, and make sure you get somebody out. This time it is critically important,” Chomsky says in the video (produced by my colleagues with the Vote Trump Out campaign). “There’s a real malignant cancer that has to be excised.”
Video Link
Again, “There’s a real malignant cancer that has to be excised.”
Does that mean ignoring the popular vote Kheala? Does that legitimise any action to get rid of him? Rorting the voting system ? assassination?
Spurious impeachment attempts?
For democracy to work even Chompsky has to accept the result .
D J S
Biden’s popular vote is not only well ahead of that for Trump, it not only <a href="breaks the US voting record – receiving more votes than any other US Presidential candidate in history, Bidens popular vote lead is larger than the populations of 22 US states .
The individual who is “not accepting the result” is the person you are so passionately defending.
I;m not passionate about supporting Trump Kheala, but I am interested in arriving at a balanced picture of what is going on over there.
Very nearly half of the people in America have voted for a man that no mainstream media outlet either here or there ever does anything but vilify . Admitting to supporting him is as socially toxic as doubting the effect of CO2 on the climate, if not more so. I suspect that he has good reason to doubt the result even if just in recognition of how passionately the MSM, the polesters and half the population detest him.
Let’s see what the judiciary decide.
No doubt Biden like Hillary has more votes over all, but that’s their system. Trump didn’t design the system.
Gee it gets harder to read when the columns become skinnier.
There have been no serious 3rd contenders for POTUS since Ralph Nadar.
Dems and GOP are run by MIC.
For democracy to work even Mr Trump has to accept the result.
FIFY 🙂
For democracy to work everyone has to have faith in the mechanism of it. Sometimes this might need checking up on. But I doubt very much that anything has been done that will leave clear evidence, so widespread faith in the US system is under heavy pressure. If voting papers are anonymous and not date stamped , or stamped falsly as has been claimed,and it can’t be checked on later there can never be proof. And everyone will eventually loose faith.
D J S
I’m no fan of Trump. The guy is a mega douche.
But do you seriously think Joe Biden, who is showing signs of cognitive decline, is any more fit for office?
I most certainly do.
Wouldn’t be my first choice but he’s infinitely more competent than King Con, Lord of the Lies.
Two days ago, Biden thought he was in the race against against George W Bush? The poor guy doesn’t know where he is.
And Trump thinks he’s still on “The Apprentice”
Totally agree – Democrats with their selection of first Hillary and now Biden clearly completely out of touch (or simply don’t care) what the ‘average American’ wants and needs from their government.
I am sure that many of those who have voted for Trump would have voted for a Democrat if they had felt that he or she at the very least made some attempt to understand them and make a commitment to bettering their lives.
You do realise it is American voters who chose Biden through the primary system. Not corporate interests, but millions of voters.
It is not as if they didn’t have lots of choices, but they voted for Biden anyway.
And more people have voted for Biden than for any other presidential candidate in history: Biden US Election Votes Record
Oh come on look at their choices, it is all pathetic!
The blame lies with the Democrats for choosing corporate interests over the best candidate
100% but best for who. Bernie looked the best for healthcare, democracy and working towards world peace. Unheard of in a candidate
Peace! MIC says fuck that, millions more must die to fill our pockets. Don’t let the plebs even think of peace. Call the CIA and obliterate any likely peaceniks without any fuss.
So taking into account Michigan and Wisconsin will likely be decided by less than 50,000 this will go:
a). To the courts
b). Recounts
So who really knows what the real outcome will be. Would suspect when the court get involved there will be some invalidated votes – how many who the fuck knows.
Looks like the Republicans have held the Senate just so no SCOTUS packing and ‘Fillibuster’ review and fancy Nancy has only a limited majority. On that basis we are likely to see 3 years of bitching, moaning and Senate-based investigations. Hunter Biden watch out.
I disagree Bomber re 2023. If the republicans are smart a more centralist candidate with Trump as a cheerleader. This relies on Trump’s ego being put in check which is arguably an impossible task. Nikki Haley would be an obvious choice. Mitch McConnell, the Tywin Lannister is US politics will be moving the pieces on the board as we speak.
Harris/Haley in 2023 would be a fascinating contest
If you take a look at the stats you can see there is something very very wrong with some of the voting patterns. My guess is this election will end in court.
I too would have preferred Sanders to Biden but that would mean the Democratic party being socialist and its not, its neo liberal.
No matter who ends up in charge I doubt it will make much difference in the scheme of things.
And there’s the Senate: As the planet burns and covid spreads
“Joe Biden could be elected president, but without the Senate, there’s a massive risk that he becomes a failed president unable to appoint any judges or enact any progressive policies.” Excerpt from link.
I read about a 78 year old woman who divorced her 81 year old husband because he supported Tump
…and her grandchildren have not spoken to her in years because she supported Hillary Clinton
…as a case in point both sides wont be giving up any time soon…court cases coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGBQIoa6mGY
Trump Assembling ‘All-Star’ Legal Team To Challenge Elections In Close States: Report
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-assembling-all-star-legal-team-challenge-elections-close-states-solomon
Possible examples of voter/polls fraud:
https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/09/24/military-ballots-found-in-the-trash-in-pennsylvania-all-were-trump-votes-n964614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWHVKFFlXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ikjkexSjxA
It would seem that the younger they are in that family the more sense they have.
…agree about Hillary Clinton
Considering the recent cannabis referendum here, it is interesting to note Arizona and New Jersey voted to legalise cannabis, South Dakota voted to legalise medical cannabis, District of Columbia voted to decriminalise etheogens. All these initiatives voted in favour in the sixty percent range.
And this is precisely why we have to call out the purveyors of hate who are undermining society here in
New Zealand, on grounds of colour, age, gender or anything else which provides opportunity to set folk against each other, to divide and rule – or even just for their own sick pleasure.
Wait…you mean the Green party
Shhsss…Julie Anne Genter doesn’t count
The Herald has a write up of it here: Trump Prematurely Declares
It includes this tweet by Robert Reich:
“Every vote must be counted. Trump’s strategy has always been.
1) Declare victory on partial results.
2) Sue to stop a full count.
3) Accuse Democrats of fraud.
4) Foment violence & division.
5) Rely on the Supreme Court to rule in his favor.
Count the votes.” Reich Tweet Link
Zach Wolf Tweet :
Try to keep up:
Trump wants no more counting in PA, GA
(where he’s ahead)
He wants to continue counting in Nevada / Arizona
(where he’s behind)
He wants a REcount in Wisconsin
(where all votes have been counted)
A Biden presidency with a Republican Senate will make the Blairite look like Trotsky. Of course bitter Nancy will try and push gerrymandering policies through this will be stopped at the senate as the true leader of the US gets quid pro quos out of the President. Ironically expect a more neo-liberal agenda than under Trump. Don’t expect any change out of Harris either when she gets a go 2.5 years in.
The big question is how the republicans drop Trump but not his supporters. Do this and the keys to the oval office are theirs in 4 years time.
” Stop counting the votes, I won”.
Donald Trump…
Wow just wow!
be reelected President – or Go To Jail. Makes for good drama.
or stand down – then be pardoned by president pence.
or be judged by the supreme court republicans.
It’s going to the courts the election was Banana Republic tier. Nothing good will come of it.
HUGE “Count Every Vote” banner in Philadelphia: Video from above
OK, firstly let me say that I have no skin in the amerikan election game since there is zero difference between the policies of the two candidates, that I can discern.
eg. The so-called ‘left’ candidate has already promised that if a medicare for all bill did get through congress and the senate, which is a huge if since it appears the dems haven’t picked up any senate seats, but if such a bill did get passed by the legislature, that he, Joe Biden has promised that he would veto it! asap no question.
Without question in the middle of a pandemic where unemployment (and therefore no health insurance) has reached an all time high? WTF!
Joe voted for the Iraq war, spoke for the no fly zone which destroyed Libya and is a keen spruiker for the headchoppers in Syria and Yemen.
If you watch this video of an old comrade, comedian Jimmy Dore interviewing statistician turned journalist Greg Palaston the eve of this election, you will get a handle on how corrupt the so called ‘democracy’ in amerika is. You will hear how/why both ‘teams’ dems & rethugs work hard to keep poor people from voting at all. How there is no ‘right to vote’ in the US and why that is.
The bright side. Dems didn’t get a trifecta. Trump didn’t lose in a landslide, and not winning the Senate means that the Dems cannot add more states or pack the Supreme Court – which means conservatives still have a hugely powerful influence in the US. Hugely powerful.
Biden himself is moderate when you look at his voting record, so the “left” have only really won a victory if Biden dies or hands over the reigns to Harris. Biden added her to the ticket and put up with the ramblings of AOC and co. to ensure he had all wings of the party behind him – learning from 2016 mistakes.
The winners, in terms of how the US moves forward, are the moderates and centre-right. Certainly no lefty in that (or this) country should be celebrating anything.
In short:
Senate = Republican
SCOTUS = Conservative majority
POTUS = Moderate, and right-leaning by NZ standards
The so-called progressives haven’t won a thing.
The pollsters and MSM look like fuckwits again. They have eggs on their faces. Trump isn’t as hated as they tried to make out. They were more wrong this time than they were in 2020.
Traditional polling has had its day, and so has establishment media.
Traditional polling was always utter nonsense that only appealed to the mathematically ignorant and delusion-ally optimistic. MSM area joke, have been for years. Its almost all opinion pieces backed up by big egos. Investigative journalism is mostly dead.
Yep, GOP have been cultivating anti-science sentiment, ignorance, racism and bigotry for three decades and then Trump played what they created like a fiddle.
It almost spun out of their control but not quite, all that Stupidity has been very deeply in-bedded and Trump’s loss hasn’t cleansed the rot much at all.
It’s fascinating to see how the left exists in a bubble that doesn’t overlap any part of reality.
Those that voted Biden have unwittingly supported a lightweight politician who has flipped and flopped on every major issue. For years he was a shill for the credit card companies and that’s where a lot of his campaign donations came from. (He successfully blocked usury legislation that would have brought the credit card companies into line regarding their hidden fees and massive interest rates) He also has a 40+ year political record that is rather too cozy with the leadership of the KKK and he’s on record as being anti-bussing as well as referring to public schools with blacks in them as “jungles”.
The worst part is that if elected he will most likely fold like a cheap suit and let Kamala Harris be POTUS in his stead. She isn’t even liked by most Democrats and fell out of contention early on in the DNC debates because of her dodgy background. I don’t know if you’re aware of her background but let’s just say it’s not pretty. As DA in California she perverted the justice process to her own ends. That included taking donations from people her office was investigating and burying a long running investigation of Catholic child abuse in a Ca school. While Biden is just a cheap crook, Harris is a *really* nasty piece of work.
Trump may be a bloviating buffoon on occasion but at least he’s not nasty like this pair.
Good piece. Thank God someone’s awake.
His own people think Trump an authoritarian, does that not raise questions? Trump is also a narcissist, a cheap crook, nasty and self indulged. Now where is his tax returns again and how many lawsuits filed by by women, having been violated by Trump still remain? And yet you think he’s not nasty? Take a good look in the mirror Andrew.
Here we have a classic example.
You’ll notice that “authoritarian” “narcissist” “nasty” and “self indulged” are all pejorative terms that have no meaning outside of childish insults. You base all this solely on what the media has told you.
“cheap crook” does have real meaning, but since he’s a billionaire with no criminal convictions you’re way off the mark there too 😉
Now do you see how the media have manipulated you?
proof?
You’ve either been watching too much Don Lemon, are brainwashed by MSM, or are suffering from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Or maybe all three?
Put this way, why do Americans even bother. Is this the best ‘democracy’ can deliver?
+100 Andrew ….well said
Trump team has begun lawsuits in three states.
Trump’s campaign filed lawsuits Wednesday in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia, laying the groundwork for contesting battleground states as he slipped behind Democrat Joe Biden in the hunt for the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the White House. AP News, Trump Sues in 3 States .
Well they soon won’t be able to blame Trump for all the faults and failings of America and will need a new scapegoat and go back to bombing Syria or something.
Michigan USPS Whistleblower Claims Late Ballots Received Backdated Postmarks
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/michigan-usps-whistleblower-claims-late-ballots-backdated
Why Does Biden Have So Many More Votes Than Democrat Senators In Swing States?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-does-biden-have-so-many-more-votes-democrat-senators-swing-states
And still yet no concede, for a would be man standing up and saying, fair due!s, i have lost. But this so called President, is not a loser, and saying to his last desperate voter support workers, loosing would be hard for me, we may lose, but it will be hard for me.
I am enjoying this American Election, the tele has been tuned, since the show, observing this election of who knows saying we are going to sweep our Democracy to justice, no, the American disenfranchised believe, along with gun totting headers that Trump, is the man, and these days of sure, but not proper defined vote President elect Bidon will be President.
Reminds me of when, Big Norm, won, over a four term Prime Minister, Prime Minister Kiwi Keith,and that did not end well,then the Deputy Prime Minister, Rolling ,was left to defend against the oppositions Muldoon, and Prime Minister, got ridiculed and slaughtered at the ballot box, by the Kiwi voters.Then hope again returned,Lange, beating a despotic Muldoon, who like today!s American President, said to the public, not like Trump, the election is crooked, Muldoon, same in that i have organised our financial state,that only I can control, I said to certain incoming Ministers in that time, its treason, arrest him. They refused, and why, what a treason they did after their time the Labour Party VOTERS
Then after Labour, melting down, National took control again, only to then defeated by more Labour hope, that calledAuntie, WHO in truth did bugger all about Labour proper values, only that it held off the inevitable National win, and now we unlike America, have a landslide Labour control governance, unlike what is going to be the American result, SO CALLED socialist caring Governance, without a majority control of their governing control.House of representatives.
Trump says Biden should not ‘wrongfully’ claim victory in presidential race
BY MORGAN CHALFANT – 11/06/20 06:45 PM EST
President Trump on Friday warned Democratic nominee Joe Biden against “wrongfully” claiming to be president elect, as the former vice president appeared on the cusp of winning the race for the White House.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/524892-trump-says-biden-should-not-wrongfully-claim-victory-in-presidential
Joe Biden has vowed that the voters must pick the next President of the US.
Donald Trump has launched law suits alleging corruption and vote stealing by the Democrats, Donald Trump wants the courts to decide the result of the election.
By accusing him of “Stealing the election” President Trump has painted a target on Joe Biden’s back.
Job Biden’s win at the polls may be the shortest Presidency in US history.
If the final poll results show that Biden has won the election, will Joe Biden stand up to this menacing bully and despite President Trump’s ‘warning’ not to, declare himself President Elect,
Will Joe Biden in fear of his life, buckle and instead announce that he will wait on Trump’s legal manipulations to decide the outcome of the election?
https://punchng.com/breaking-dont-wrongfully-claim-office-of-president-trump-warns-biden/
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