Election 2020: Last Leaders Debate – Winners & Losers

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Jessica is wearing a large purple dress.

She looks like Grimace.

I find it hard not to burst out laughing every time she appears.

I’ve spilled my beer 3 times so far.

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Jacinda’s weasel words about how she is now redefining the word ‘transformative’ is grim.

Judith looks like she’s been slipped the same amount of Xanax David Seymour was slipped last week during the multi party debates.

This is clearly Judith wanting to stop projecting this…

…and this..

…apparently the snarling crazy woman routine isn’t warming voters to National.

Watching Jacinda struggling to justify the drunk baby steps her last 3 years have resulted in is painful.

Watching Judith pretend she gives a fuck about child poverty is far more painful.

Jacinda could have slept through the entire debate and she would still have won. Judith has had such an appalling week on the campaign, National will be lucky to poll over 30%.

Jacinda fired up about Judith saying Labour will implement the Greens wealth tax, it was the only time anything interesting happened.

The Greens should dump the wealth tax and look at a financial transaction tax instead.

Judith has no real plan and Jacinda doesn’t want to do much more than manage.

Progressives will have to hope the Greens and the Māori Party can negotiate something actually transformative but to do that, Labour need to have a plan to reform the neoliberal state.

Unfortunately Labour have no such plan.

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20 COMMENTS

  1. “Labour has no such plan”…….yes its midnight…..no no no its midday………then how come its still dark………take you darkly tinted glasses off…eh

  2. Thanks for watching so I didn’t have to. Good descripto of these two.

    Hard to believe Jacinda’s sincerity in any way. So she’s been faking that great empathy of hers that saved Labour. Or, I suppose, in fairness, she is several different people, like me. Just her bullsh re poverty is hard to masticate.

    I don’t like her and Grant.

    • Well I watched and Collins is just so god damned awful. Deceptive at every turn and her arrogance is downright appalling. I don’t like her or Gerry. Your description of Jacinda is your’s to own. Completely disagree.

  3. Unless I misheard her, at the very end of the debate time Jacinda seemed to be making a commitment to re-forming the Welfare System. Yes, it is long, long overdue, but she did say something to that effect.

  4. This is abit off the beaten track of current news cycle analysis I admit, but wonder all the same:

    why would Jacinda, who had been running rings around the entire ‘right’ political media establishment ‘gotcha’ politics of the last Govt. term; back herself into a political corner, shooting herself in the foot with this plain categorical negation of a wealth tax ( which is also the natural and somewhat orthodox ‘Left’ instrument to shortfalls in capitalism ) right before the election – something She was quite up front about as what She saw as failing last election time b4 Labour’s better than expected result….because the Act guy is err…8%?

    The NZ economic forecast, when pigs fly lol

    Rather there is unprecedented Left opportunity for returns in this current phase of the Debt sine wave (national and globally) for the significant increase of Direct tax on economic activity with the highest associated deflation against the multiplying of value with stable price – IMO

    • Your question, Billygoat, Yes. I’ve been wondering that too. It didn’t make good sense and ‘disappointing’ doesn’t cover it.

  5. The best part of the debate was when Judith stated her whole party are behind her. What she failed to mention was that at least half have knives in their hands.

  6. Again like all debates now your view of the candidates is entirely dependent on your political outlook as we become more and more partisan. Like the other debates I thought it was a points decision to Judith but not by much and natural bias would have supported the left giving it to Jacinda. Yes – low on energy but who the fuck has a debate 2 days out from the election?

    What is refreshing is that many on the left (including Bomber) are now seeing Jacinda for what she is. A Blairite. The mythical 3rd way that the main political parties of all Western democracies have been for the last 2.5 decades that only recently has started to fracture (i.e. Trump, Brexit). The third way – taking the worst of the right and the ‘toss’ of the left and combining it into a big pile of horse turd.

    Sadly those that have drunk the Koolaid over the past 6 months are going to be sorely disappointed. Kudos to Bomber and Trotter succinctly articulating it over the past few days. A lot on the right had much the same feeling 1.5 terms into Key. Cult of personalities rarely have a happy ending.

  7. I’d argue in a woke environment the Grimace joke was borderline sexist and fatphobic.

    But then again it was so funny and I was thinking the same thing. …..Ahh the good ol’ days where you could have a laugh

  8. I’m not big on fireworks usually, but this 5th Nov I wouldn’t mind having a small bonfire packed with a stack of mini political effigies. (Might start making some…)

  9. +100… “The Greens should dump the wealth tax and look at a financial transaction tax instead.”

    The Greens might also offer to halve their MP salaries and drive second hand Japanese cars to show solidarity to those struggling financially

    • Lol. Jimmy loves his BMWs and junkets. All Jacinda has to do if wave a pound of silver and Jimmy would sell the crown jewels. I sometimes think the Greens have 2 female leaders.

  10. I posted to National that if they raised benefits I would vote for them. My father and grandfather voted for the Welfare State National. Just as my great grandfather fought all his life for Labour. If the National leader had been willing to say that that would have been better than this looney delooney nothing of a Labour Party.

  11. I posted to National that if they raised benefits I would vote for them. My father and grandfather voted for the Welfare State National. Just as my great grandfather fought all his life for Labour. If the National leader had been willing to say that that would have been better than this looney delooney nothing of a Labour Party.

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