Progressive voters who want to see transformational policy have one fear this election, that Winston Peter’s crosses the 5% threshold and Labour needs him to form a Government alongside the Greens.
On all the issues dear to progressives hearts, inequality, the Treaty, housing, poverty and domestic violence, A Labour-NZ First-Green Government would be just as cautious as their first term with only a few baby steps taken.
This would be a terrible outcome especially when the pandemic demands truly progressive ideas and vision.
That’s why Māori could tip the election this year. If the Māori Party takes Tamaki Makaurau and Te Tai Hauāuru they will gain a 3rd MP off the Part List if they hit 1.25% Party vote.
3 MPs could be all a Green-Labour Government need to get 51% and prevent Winston from putting on the handbrake again.
A Labour-Green-Māori Party Government would be the most progressive ever elected in New Zealand.
First published on Waatea News.
Except if Shane Jones is considered a self serving unreliable indolent opportunist then John Tamahere will be Jones but on steroids.
Cannot see the video attraction to most voters.
Yes Xray, Tamahere is a major concern.
-no, Jones is the major concern.
Sorry disagree. Jones has not reached the bottom of the barrel, Tamahere has, so therefore is the major concern.
Yes. Both have corrupt track records but Tamahere was prepared to sell off family silver.
Xray: “…John Tamahere…”
Heh! Mr Frontbums. Who the hell would vote for him anyway?
D’Esterre – “Who the hell would vote for him anyway ?”
Pre-schoolers playing doctors and nurses ?
Snow White: “Pre-schoolers playing doctors and nurses ?”
Hahahaha… lovely!
Labour + Greens + Maori Party? Identity politics to the power of three. They would give us all sorts of “prog” policy all right – “hate speech” legislation, quotas on company boards, more $$ for beneficiaries, maybe a new ministry for the alphabet people … but have any of them shown us they’re willing and able to change the economic model? Not that I remember. Their focus is elsewhere.
Which leaves us with National/ACT/Destiny Church parties…no thankyou!
No! The “least worst” option is probably Labour alone. At least we will avoid the more virulent strains of identity politics peddled by the Greens and the Maori Party, especially if Jacinda has the sense to rein in Andrew Little. But we can’t expect them to roll back neoliberalism – as even Bradbury has acknowledged in an interview last year, this current Labour caucus doesn’t have the boldness or the “intellectual heft” that the job requires.
Hard to think that the modern Greens are progressive when they are giving away NZ’s water to overseas private companies…
Green Party members revolt over water bottling decision
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104668519/green-party-members-revolt-over-water-bottling-decision
We are heading in this direction…
The scandal of millions of Americans deprived of running water
https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jul/02/the-scandal-of-millions-of-americans-being-deprived-of-running-water-podcast
What happens to locals as the councils and governments give the water away to private firms…
The fight to stop Nestlé from taking America’s water to sell in plastic bottles
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/29/the-fight-over-water-how-nestle-dries-up-us-creeks-to-sell-water-in-plastic-bottles
Coca-Cola sucking wells dry in indigenous Mexican town – forcing residents to buy bottled water
Bottling plant ‘consumes more than a million litres of water a day’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coca-cola-mexico-wells-dry-bottled-water-sucking-san-felipe-ecatepec-chiapas-a7953026.html
Coca-Cola Charged With Groundwater Depletion and Pollution in India
https://www.thoughtco.com/coca-cola-groundwater-depletion-in-india-1204204
The company admits that without water it would have no business at all. Coca-Cola’s operations rely on access to vast supplies of water, as it takes almost three litres of water to make one litre of Coca-Cola. In order to satisfy this need, Coca-Cola is increasingly taking over control of aquifers in communities around the world. These vast subterranean chambers hold water resources collected over many hundreds of years. As such they the represent the heritage of entire communities.
https://waronwant.org/media/coca-cola-drinking-world-dry
Chinese company approved to run water mining operation in drought-stricken Queensland
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/28/chinese-company-approved-to-run-water-mining-operation-in-drought-stricken-queensland
IN NZ
Consent granted for Chinese water bottling giant to purchase Otakiri Spring
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104695650/consent-granted-for-chinese-water-bottling-giant-to-purchase-otakiri-spring
Chinese water bottling plant’s proposal to take water from Whakatane aquifer ‘sustainable’, court hears
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/chinese-water-bottling-plants-proposal-take-whakatane-aquifer-sustainable-court-hears
Canterbury water on way to Chinese market as bottling plant starts production
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/107721548/canterbury-water-on-way-to-chinese-market-as-bottling-plant-starts-production
Whakatane locals outraged on government’s encouragement of Chinese water bottling investment
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/whakatane-locals-outraged-governments-encouragement-chinese-water-bottling-investment
NZ Government Secretly Funded Water Bottling Companies
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1904/S00055/nz-government-secretly-funded-water-bottling-companies.htm
Actually I disagree with you both I think it would be a smart move if our Maori whanau voted strategically in both Tamaki Makaurau and Te Tai Hauauru. They can give Labour their party vote and the Maori Party their electoral vote. Epsom has been doing this for some time now. So if I were the Maori Party I would campaign on this. Why? because government agencies like Oranga Tamariki and there are others need to be sorted and Labour ain’t sorting them.
Actually I disagree with you both I think it would be a smart move if our Maori whanau voted strategically in both Tamaki Makaurau and Te Tai Hauauru. They can give Labour their party vote and the Maori Party their electoral vote. Epsom has been doing this for some time now. So if I were the Maori Party I would campaign on this. Why? because government agencies like Oranga Tamariki and there are others need to be sorted and Labour ain’t sorting them.
Actually I disagree with you both I think it would be a smart move if our Maori whanau voted strategically in both Tamaki Makaurau and Te Tai Hauauru. They can give Labour their party vote and the Maori Party their electoral vote. Epsom has been doing this for some time now. So if I were the Maori Party I would campaign on this. Why? because government agencies like Oranga Tamariki and there are others need to be sorted and Labour ain’t sorting them.
My vote goes to the new party on the block:
https://www.nzpublicparty.org.nz/
What progess has the Greens brought to the table .What progess has there been for the Maori after 3 years of a government with so many in positions of power. What will happen when they cannot blame Winston
Trevor – I think you’d have to admit that Marama and the Greens have done their best to show how bad Pakeha are; gave it their best tawdry shot in the wake of the ChCh mosque massacres, added to the trembling Muslim community’s fears. That’s modern leadership – divide and rule like kids at school.
One good thing about Winston Peters – apart from his suits – is that he’s not racially divisive, and can be dismissive of what he sees as hyped-up racial poppycock – that could be the Scot in him – the Scots , more than many here, know what it is like exist under literal layers of hard-frozen dirt.
Snow White: “….Marama and the Greens have done their best to show how bad Pakeha are; gave it their best tawdry shot in the wake of the ChCh mosque massacres….”
Agreed. After that disgraceful display on their part, it would be the triumph of hope over experience, if any pakeha were to vote Green at the next election. They have been warned.
“….he’s not racially divisive, and can be dismissive of what he sees as hyped-up racial poppycock….”
Indeed. Bless him. For that reason alone, we should be thankful that he’s still in politics
D’Esterre – I spoke today with a young rellie I’d previously induced to vote Green – two people working three jobs to pay their mortgage – about Davidson’s proposal to hit folk owning a $1M property with a “wealth” tax, and I have to say that they were totally nonplussed; more so when said that as far as I knew she’d not bought a property herself, and likely knew little about maintenance etc ( as I surveyed the guttering I wrecked trying to clear it myself), and they said flatly, that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
Lots of people know about the anti-white prejudice, I think it must have been on television – which I don’t watch – but my old hairdresser raised it apropos of another tragic issue, and she’s fairly apolitical.
It’s a shame that Winston Peters doesn’t support a CGT, which I do; he is still very much an elder statesman in Parliament, and one of the best performers – with a welcome sense of humour. The old ducks who I encouraged to vote Green last time, could swing back to him.
Snow White: “….she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.”
Exactly right. The Greens’ so-called “wealth tax” is a policy failure, not least because it fails to take account of the current situation vis-à-vis tax and what can be characterised as “wealth” in NZ. Our wrecked property market has pushed house prices so high that most of the owners of million dollar+ houses are up to their fetlocks in debt and on relatively modest incomes. Wealthy? Don’t make me laugh!
“It’s a shame that Winston Peters doesn’t support a CGT…”
I used to, until I read this:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/114628351/an-inconvenient-truth-about-tax-in-new-zealand
The logic is irrefutable. Having read it, I was obliged to change my mind.
As I understand things, this is why Winston refused to support a CGT.
D’Esterre “Exactly right. The Greens’ so-called “wealth tax” is a policy failure, not least because it fails to take account of the current situation vis-à-vis tax and what can be characterised as “wealth” in NZ. Our wrecked property market has pushed house prices so high that most of the owners of million dollar+ houses are up to their fetlocks in debt and on relatively…”
You put it well. There are dumps in Auckland worth double $1M. This shows the Greens disconnect with reality. MSM are just as bad.
A weekend pundit analysing Green support in Central Wellington refers to rich people in Kelburn and Karori living in $1M houses. Wrong. The rich in Kelburn and Karori inhabit houses worth considerably more than $1M.
Mushrooming townhouses bought cheap at half a mill, could
be worth close on $1m now, or in five years time.
These basic land-starved dwellings are occupied predominantly by older women often on their own, on a fixed income known as NZ Super, clearing their own wasps’ nests, cold, viewing disgustingly-farmed cheap pork chops as a treat; I saw one cutting her whole back lawn with a pair of scissors, which will soon need replacing at the $2.00 shop and help keep China manufacturers and Sth Korean shop owners rich.
Any winter electricity payment is likely to be priotitised elsewhere. None of them should have to be buying second-hand Op Shop shoes or knickers. The genteel poor. Look at their hands.
The prospect of their houses,bought through exercising frugality, self-discipline and a weetbix-based diet, increasing in value for sanctimonious Green plebs to start grabbing at is alarming – and obscene from MP’s on good pay plus perks, and cushy superannuation setting them up for life if they can con the public for long enough.
Round about the last election when lists of MP’s property ownership was published, I don’t think any of the louder- mouthed Greens owned their own, one or two more might now, but they have a nerve looking covetously at the fruit of others’ hard-earned assets and saying, “I’ll have that to help the poor and punish you for trying to live right because I’m a social justice warrior.”
The extension of their logic will be ordinary folk keeping their savings under the mattress and not trying to create any security for themselves and their families, or govt will try and claw it back again – and these are the hard working people in the middle who get clobbered time and time again by simple-minded politicos.
“…The most Progressive Government would be a Labour-Green-Maori Party Government”
No it wouldn’t.
A most progressive government would be one that had its employers best interests at heart. And they would be us.
We’ve had liar after liar after liar interspersed with one or two that never seemed to live long and then more liars after liars after liars.
The gubbimints we have on offer are pathetic. They’re either too weak willed to make a fuss or are so all bought and paid for they can’t squeak lest the must forgo their flash lifestyles.
A most progressive government would be, in my humble opinion, one that didn’t plan on staying around long. One that came clean. One that told the truth. One that rose above the sewers and wood piles and told the truth to us. One that’d convene a media meeting then spilled the beans.
But when I look at the absurd Mc Mansions of Tauranga and Auckland central juxtaposed to the wretched homeless dossing down in bankster building door ways, I know. I know we’re fucked and will continue to be so, so long as this awful neoliberal status quo continues on its current heading.
If Tamahere were to end up as Kingmaker/ Decider, …which party is he most likely to choose?
Kheala – When you put it that way, then the answer has to be Labour. They’re the most inclusive, claim to care about the poor etc – which at least acknowledges that govt theoretically represents all people – and they are better economic managers.
The Greens showed themselves not to be team players in the aftermath of the horrendous Muslim massacres, by rejecting PM Ardern’s exemplary, “We are one,” messaging, and politicising the tragedy as an opportunity to bash Pakeha. I doubt they realise how bad that was.
They’re doing it again now with Marama’s eat-the-rich demands which may again suggest racial bias if Trusts, Iwi, and multi-ownership Maori land are leap-frogged in favour of targeting individuals, and worrying a bunch of ordinary people-in-the middle; they could have handed Nats the election with this, it looked like bullying Labour, and I certainly don’t buy their sjw stance – Davidson is the only politician who has ever frightened me – she’s surreal – and the number one Green.
Having to work with the National Party could be like propping up a war-ravaged country – too much trouble – so stick with Labour. Tamihere is reputed to be v intelligent, and the left have always been the intellectuals.
Davidson would need to be asked if she stands by all her statements pertaining to the Muslim tragedy – Parliament is the place where they are either allowed to lie, or not allowed to lie, without being sued, I can never remember which.
“Tamihere is reputed to be v intelligent”
But also very neoliberal in his approach to problem solving.
If Tamahere were to end up as Kingmaker
My bad. 1. John’s name is spelled Tamihere. 2. Co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer would have an equal say in this.
(Still interested in thoughts on what would be their most likely choice – Not sure it is a given that they would choose Labour.)
I have no idea about the Green’s tax ideas, but looking after the neediest matters. Unless you disagree. Like the last 36 years of NZers, in effect.
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