WHEN was Jacinda warned about pandemic and can we start investigating China yet, or is that still xenophobic?

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Sigh, remember the good old days (February) and the NZ woke online were screaming anyone critical of the wuhan virus was racist?

Good times, good times.

The Daily Blog of course was one of the first NZ media to argue this had all the ingredients of a full blown pandemic and that this wasn’t an identity politics issue, but was in fact a possible public health nightmare and economic armageddon.

We were also the first to point out that if US military intelligence knew China was lying about the pandemic, then when were we as a 5 Eyes Ally warned?

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Now we see the 5 Eyes report and it is damning in regards to how china deceived the planet…

Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program

China deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak in an “assault on international transparency’’ that cost tens of thousands of lives, according to a dossier prepared by concerned Western governments on the COVID-19 contagion.

The 15-page research document, obtained by The Saturday Telegraph, lays the foundation for the case of negligence being mounted against China.

It states that to the “endangerment of other countries” the Chinese government covered-up news of the virus by silencing or “disappearing” doctors who spoke out, destroying evidence of it in laboratories and refusing to provide live samples to international scientists who were working on a vaccine.

…right, so the report exists and we were warned, so the following questions must be asked.

  • Did the GCSB/SIS through their 5 Eye contacts warn the NZ Government about China hiding the true nature of the pandemic?
  • If not, why not?
  • If they did, WHEN was the Prime Minister warned?

We need this timeline and it isn’t acceptable for the Prime Minister to simply state, “I don’t comment on intelligence reporting”, we aren’t asking for a break down of the report because the report has been leaked and we can read it ourselves, what we need to know is WHEN was the Prime Minister told that China was lying about the pandemic because I don’t know if the rest of you have noticed, but we’ve all been locked down under an effective Police State for 5 weeks with enormous damage to our well being and personal wealth.

If the NSA/CIA didn’t tell our GCSB that a pandemic was coming, then what the hell are we doing in the 5 Eyes?

If the NSA/CIA did tell our GCSB and they didn’t tell the Prime Minister then what the hell happened?

And if the NSA/CIA did tell our GCSB and they did tell the Prime Minister, then when did that happen because the main criticism to date was that we were too slow to shut the borders. If the Prime Minister was warned and still didn’t shut the borders, there there are serious questions that need to be raised.

And while we are raising serious questions, can we start investigating China’s pandemic response yet, or is that still xenophobic because the facts to date paint a damning indictment of China…

Its major themes include the “deadly denial of human-to-human transmission”, the silencing or “disappearing” of doctors and scientists who spoke out, the destruction of evidence of the virus from genomic studies laboratories, and “bleaching of wildlife market stalls”, along with the refusal to provide live virus samples to international scientists working on a vaccine.

…and the growing suspicion that the Chinese may have accidentally released the virus themselves from their Wuhan Lab grow by the day…

It notes a 2013 study conducted by a team of researchers, including Dr Shi, who collected a sample of horseshoe bat faeces from a cave in Yunnan province, China, which was later found to contain a virus 96.2 per cent identical to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that caused COVID-19.

The research dossier also references work done by the team to synthesise SARS-like coronaviruses, to analyse whether they could be transmissible from bats to mammals. This means they were altering parts of the virus to test whether it was transmissible to different species.

Their November 2015 study, done in conjunction with the University of North Carolina, concluded that the SARS-like virus could jump directly from bats to humans and there was no treatment that could help.

The study acknowledges the incredible danger of the work they were conducting.

“The potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens,” they wrote.

You have to be a scientist to understand it, but below is the line that the governments’ research paper references from the study.

“To examine the emergence potential (that is, the potential to infect humans) of circulating bat CoVs, we built a chimeric virus encoding a novel, zoonotic CoV spike protein — from the RsSHCO14-CoV sequence that was isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats — in the context of the SARS-CoV mouse-adapted backbone,” the study states.

One of Dr Shi’s co-authors on that paper, Professor Ralph Baric from North Carolina University, said in an interview with Science Daily at the time: “This virus is highly pathogenic and treatments developed against the original SARS virus in 2002 and the ZMapp drugs used to fight ebola fail to neutralise and control this particular virus.”

A few years later, in March 2019, Dr Shi and her team, including Peng Zhou, who worked in Australia for five years, published a review titled Bat Coronaviruses in China in the medical journal Viruses, where they wrote that they “aim to predict virus hot spots and their cross-species transmission potential”, describing it as a matter of “urgency to study bat corona­viruses in China to understand their potential of causing another outbreak. Their review stated: “It is highly likely that future SARS or MERS like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.”

…In 1918 plague followed war. if China has had a hand in accidentally starting this pandemic,  war might follow plague.

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31 COMMENTS

  1. I haven’t read enough to be sure about that claim but the “evidence” that is “growing” that China caused this is a series of statements by US officials who are trying to distract people from their own staggering incompetence at handling the virus.

    Yes Chinese leadership is corrupt – and yes, they’re deceptive, etc etc etc… but lets not repeat US hype just because it suits our agenda

      • Aaron is entitled to put up his point of view with being abused by you . That is called bullying . If you have nothing to add why reply

        • Look you three I’m literally leaving diamonds laying around you y’all are complaining to me that they’re uncut. So if you want to say something really smart then fucken say it.

    • Totally agree Aaron. On a left wing blog that appears to abhor bombeo plus his moronic compatriots and the 5 eyes network, suddenly all there uttering’s must be taken as fact? I am also sure that we all acquiesce to sam’s superior intellect and inside knowledge of world affairs

      • If I do have something to say I’ll say it. I won’t bow down, I won’t be pawned. If anything I say offends your smooth headed forehead and you want to carry it on we can go over to The Daily Blogs Facebook and we can one outs there. No skin off my nose.

        • True you can say whatever you want Cameron, that’s your right.
          Most narcissistic wankers all have that same view.

          • Oh so you’re talking to me, sorry. Yeah would you like to defend the GCSB or would you like me to defend them? But if you want to get hostile then take it to Facebook.

    • Most leaderships have a degree of corruption or are associated with some corruption.
      johnky is a prime example. Hollow men, our “reconstruction team” in Afganistan… etc We don’t have to look far.

      “Its major themes include the “deadly denial of human-to-human transmission”, the silencing or “disappearing” of doctors and scientists who spoke out, the destruction of evidence of the virus from genomic studies laboratories, and “bleaching of wildlife market stalls”, along with the refusal to provide live virus samples to international scientists working on a vaccine.”

      That is a load of clap trap whipped up by fertile imaginations with a purpose in mind.

      Allegations are a cheap but nasty way to argue unless you have investigated and found evidence that can with stand legitimate attempts to disprove it, and present your findings.
      Its called science.

      Or you can run a gossip column.

    • There is more than enough evidence of corrupt US decisions over the last century (give or take some years) so while I would not want to imply that the Chinese government is guilt free taking evidence just because the USA says so is not a sensible way to behave.

    • Absolutely Aaron. Since when were DJT, Mike Pompeo and the rest of that crew believable sources on Corona virus origins. The US wants to make China pay cause DJT cant accept that he made a fuck up.

      A pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan, China was first reported to the WHO Country Office in China on 31 December 2019.
      The outbreak was declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020.
      On 11 February 2020, WHO announced a name for the new coronavirus disease: Covid-19.

      So hardly trying to keep it secret. Just cos the Orange Clown didnt take warnings seriously doesnt make it Chinas fault. Horses and water come to mind.. And the daily telegraphs reckons on missing doctors? References please! Remember Russiagate anyone? All bombast and hysteria. Just like the above.

    • My comment at the top was originally in response to another comment which seems to have disapeared from the top of the list – thanks to Sam though for the thoughtful manner in which he bought that to my attention 🙂

  2. Everyone just needs to watch this: https://youtu.be/VLGGU3-kTws

    And what you will see is a 60 Minute Australia interview with a nobody professor from a nobody university speaking with the force of 1 billion Chinese.

    And don’t fool yourself into thinking that this guy is a nobody because this fucken nobody is instructing the Australian government via National TV that if Cambers pursues an investigation into the Wuhan virus that will make one billion Chinese angry.

    Now you can say well China needs Australian minerals and well no a one party communist government doesn’t need growth to quill the concerns of the Chinese public when Australia is rubbing there faces in it.

    Partly the issue was that an economic crises was overdue and we are using this crises as a means to explain it away and now pointing towards Beijing but also the functions of a crises is that National always says that Labour is over spending in a crises and this all out propaganda offensive that not only is Trump raising trade barriers it’s being but we are making our own people pay for this costly terms of trade.

    So it’s not like we can make easy concessions if the scientists themselves want the data then the government will have to get it for them while encoding in every voter that trade barriers are going up.

    Never the less we have this desire to make New Zealand into what China wants. In the first chapter of the Chinses New Zealand Trade relations the most important thing is to talk down to each other because the only thing that 1 billion angry Chinese respects is an equal or opposite kind of power.

    This judgmental mechanism is the priority of this relationship and a good ambassadors and liaison officers will do it while shielding themselves from the people’s gaze and discomfort. It’s even more absurd when the powerful talk down on Maori and brown people and so on and so on and blame them for a lack of interest in being being Chinese.

    Yknow good players use science and data to win but the great players play the man. Beijing is strong, arrogant and pushy and we are going to have to use that against them.

  3. It is now clear that the PM leader is not being straight up with us here, and must stand up for us and our sovereignty against a cruel dictatorship communist government now.
    I truly believed in Jacinda and now we wait for her to restore our faith in her..
    But doubts are now entering my mind.

    • The woman just can’t win with some people. Considering the relentless barrage of Tory nonsense and blame shifting, natural disasters, the most deadly terrorist attack of at least the last century, and trying to make progress in social policy against an entrenched new liberal senior management, and now seeing of a potential pandemic, that the government, with Adern at the helm. It behoves people to be patient on the old “saving the world in a week” party truck.

  4. Alarming press conference statements made by Mike Pompeo in recent days, first stating there is significant evidence that Covid originated from a Wuhan lab, then contradicting himself mid waffle saying he believes intelligence reports that Covid was not man-made (ABC, n.d.). I don’t think the US administration even know what’s going on in their own heads let alone in other countries.
    Meanwhile Jacinda Ardern threatened the country during her own press conference today, when referring to people minding their business while sitting on a beach, stating “I certainly don’t want to see our team of 5 million punished for the behaviour of a few” (RNZ, n.d.). Wow really, this so called medical disaster has come to this, trying to turn the population in on itself for political gain. Fuck your bubble.

    ABC. (n.d.). Mike Pompeo says ‘significant’ evidence new Coronavirus emerged from Chinese lab. Retrieved from
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12210882

    RNZ. (n.d.). Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern: A few letting the side down over level 3 breaches. Retrieved from
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/738acadc-67c2-4c7c-8a3b-35b6a24a12ba

    • Jacinda is starting to sound more like Aunty Helen .
      The lockdown was a wise move but as John Key said it is easier to go down than it is to go back up. Confusion is setting in as we are told we can go to the beach then find you can walk on the beach but not sit down .A judge rules to let a son see his dying father and saying the Ministry of Health were wrong in denial of access then we find the police over stepped their authority with lockdown control. Does not fill one with convince at this critical time .
      One of the good moves they have made is to amend the RMA but true to form Greens are trying to slow it down but with all other parties in agreement hopefully it will go ahead

      • Jacinta sounds nothing like Helen Clark. Clark was a plank of wood, she had this particular way of talking down to reporters. Jacinda does non of that.

        One thing you’ve got to remember about John Key is he’s talking about austerity and cutting government spending only when you cut government spending the national income goes down.

        So if you’ve got a GDP of 300 billion and a debt ration of 300 billion or 300/300 and you shrink government spending then GDP shrinks but your debt stays the same so it ends up being 300/250 debt to GDP instead of 300/300 or what ever.

        So it’s actually counter intuitive the government should not listen to John Key and instead raise government spending. Yknow a 100 billion dollar infrastructure spend up will pay for all the debts mortgages and rents.

  5. Memories of Saddam purchasing Yellow cake, weapons ready to obliterate the UK in 45 minutes, little vials of anthrax presented to the UN by Colin Powell, Gaddafi supplying viagra to Libyan troops, etc etc etc, come flooding back.
    Five Eyes, the most trusted Intelligence group on the planet ever.
    I’ll reserve the right of judgement on this, at this point.
    As our government refuses to release the advice given too it by the Attorney General, the chances of anyone in power admitting they may have had prior intelligence on Covid 19 are slim to non existent.

    • The level of Trump’s mendacity is far grosser than that used to sell the Iraq War by claiming that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Then too there were stories of secret laboratories developing biological weapons. Though Trump is purging US intelligence chiefs and replacing them with Trump loyalists, even they could not stomach his latest conspiracy theory. “The intelligence also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified,” said a statement from the office of the director of national intelligence, Richard Grenell.
      https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-trump-china-us-cold-war-election-economy-iraq-a9494451.html

  6. I find it totally acceptable to question government. The PM is a Media graduate and it shows. Her political instincts can be brutal, but with a smile.

  7. “when were we as a 5 Eyes Ally warned?”
    Good question. Maybe they took their time telling us because they don’t trust us
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/spy-within-five-eyes-describes-nz-s-political-system-as-compromised-by-chinese-influence.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/28/new-zealands-five-eyes-membership-called-into-question-over-china-links
    Ardern and her predecessor English both deny theres a problem – no surprise when both their parties are happy to take donations from people connected to the CCP, and both have at least one MP with CCP connections

  8. While we are making comparisons with WMD it is interesting to note that the origins of the Wuhan laboratory meme are first the US propaganda Radio Free Asia (yes thats its real name) and secondly The Washington Times. In the case of the Times their source is Dany Shoham who is famously responsible for promoting false claims that the 2001 Anthrax attacks was the work of Iraq’s Saddam Hussein.
    Also, who else has been putting serious research into bat corona virus? The US military has military grade bioweapons research centers throughout Asia. And DARPA has a lot of interest in bat corona virus.
    Whiney Webb is an actual all class journalist who is able to understand complexity in a story. Unlike Trump and co whos lies need continual patching. Its less taxing on the brain to just go oh dear must be those Chinese. But following Trump and Pompeo down this dark alley? Surely not?
    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/bats-gene-editing-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

  9. ‘The research dossier also references work done by the team to synthesise SARS-like coronaviruses, to analyse whether they could be transmissible from bats to mammals.’

    Since bats ARE mammals, one has to question the credibility of the person writing the report.

    All I know for certain on the matter of whether Covid-19 evolved naturally into a species-leaping virus or was the result of experimentation in a Wuhan laboratory is that everyone has an agenda, and when things go wrong denials and coverups are the norm.

    “I didn’t have sex with that woman; she had sex with me.”

    “All our planes returned safely.”

    “We could never have known that would happen.”

    “I don’t recall what was said at that meeting.”

    We are certain that when it comes to climate change, Jacinda Adern either hasn’t got a clue and doesn’t know what she’s talking about, or she has lied continuously since she made her first speech on the matter. Her efforts to “restart the economy” and “get things back to normal” are completely at odds with “getting serious about climate change” and will result in yet more resources being squandered on infrastructure and projects that have no future.

    We are also certain that she is terrified of upsetting the banks and corporations that ‘rule the roost’, and terrified of upsetting the American military-industrial-complex (“If you disagree, you get annihilated” -Midnight Oil), and will never implement policies focused on the long-term welfare of the inhabitants of these isles. Despite all the rhetoric, when it comes to the crunch the economy takes precedence over life, and we continue as a major per capita participant in the global conversion of fossil fuel into carbon dioxide.

    Jacinda’s great talent is that she can mislead the people very convincingly, and surround herself with people who say the ‘right’ things but don’t look further than the ends of their noses. Not that anyone in the National party would do any better for people of these isles, off course. With Labour it’s ‘off the cliff at 100 km/hr, whereas with National it’s ‘off the cliff at 120 km/hr (and with the Greens it’s off the cliff as 80 km/hr).

    There’s always an agenda, usually unspoken in public. In National’s case the agenda is the transfer of wealth from those that have very little to those that have far too much. And raiding the commons while polluting them. And fuck the future. In the Orwellian National-party-speak that comes out as “A better, brighter future.”

    In Labour’s case the agenda is to allow more breadcrumbs to fall off the table into the mouths of the masses as they continue to kowtow to economists and bankers who don’t know what they are talking about half the time and have no genuine regard for the future. In other words fuck the future a little more slowly under Labour. In Labour-party-speak that comes out as “Let’s do it.” Let’s build more roads, and build bigger roads, even though NZ has no secure long-term oil supply and road transport is grossly inefficient in terms of energy and contributes inordinately to emissions that are causing Planetary Meltdown.

    There’s always an agenda, usually unspoken in public.

    Remember that silly candy-floss-haired woman who told us wearing masks would be more dangerous than not wearing them. Could it be that there were few masks in NZ at the time and none to be obtained on the international market? Quiet reassurance that “You don’t need one,”
    to avoid panic.

    And then yesterday we were advised by another ‘expert’ that wearing of masks should be mandatory on public transport when NZ moves to a lower number on the alert scale. Even be handed out to passengers who board vehicles without them.

    Elsewhere in the world the wearing of masks in public places is mandatory, of course.

    • Yes. You are of course right. Its probably not worth putting an alternstive view. However, becoming travelling companions with Trump and Pompeo is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. These are two people most unlikely to gather support for war is what I thought and yet here we are again and I can already hear people muttering that they probably deserved it. Pushed much further, there will be a lot of anger in China.

  10. The first time I traveled out of AO/NZ this little Deep South country boy was amazed, agog and dismayed at Auckland so you can imagine how I felt when I arrived in Sydney then Bangkok and Jakarta.
    When I look back, the one single thing that stands out in my memory is how infinitesimally tiny and insignificant AO/NZ seemed when looked back on from the perspective of the colossal populations of those three cities, particularly Bangkok and Jakarta at around ten million each. ( I was told by an Aussie working for an NGO in Jakarta that greater Jakarta and it’s surrounding areas and precincts combined pushed the population to closer to forty million people.
    After some time away, I get back to AO/NZ to a cold sou west morning in Christchurch. It was bleak, forlorn and seemed empty, like a ghost town.
    It was from that first experience that I came to realise that we AO/NZ’ers are entirely insignificant.
    It’s not us, as a people, who are important nor unimportant. No one cares what we think. No one cares about our opinions etc.
    What we have, however, is our lands. Our clean oceans and our virtually empty, clean, safe soils which will grow virtually anything one could plant. We’re perfectly protected by deep, roaring oceans spanning thousands of kilometres on all compass settings…
    We’ve already been exposed to what some will see as the psychological control mechanism that is the spectre of a killer virus and we’re already used to being quarantined in our homes.
    So what next? As our biosphere’s climate heats up? As our economies fall to pieces? As very scary and aggressive people look around for a safe haven from unstoppable catastrophes?
    What do we do? At Maori? At Colonisers? What do you think is going to happen?
    Within, say, a time frame of five years?
    I learned from the picture graph below that 400 Americans have $2.9 Trillion Dollars between them.
    That’s 16 less than it would take to fill a Boeing 747.
    Can you comprehend what 2.9 trillion dollars looks like?
    No?
    Then, here it is. Be patient now slowly scroll right to left.
    Mark Frauenfelder of Boingboing.net
    “It’s almost impossible to understand how rich Jeff Bezos is. This mind-blowing visualisation not only helped me grok his immense wealth, it also made it clearer than ever that the country is owned by a tiny elite.”
    https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
    The very most urgent thing we MUST do is to purge our lands and we, the people, of foreign bankster influence. The four banks here; bnz, westpac, asb and anz are our mortal enemies. They’re not simply annoying, greedy and callous… they’re dangerous.
    That, is the most urgent and important thing we can and must do.
    RNZ
    “Banks defend Covid-19 response after criticism they aren’t doing enough”
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/415838/banks-defend-covid-19-response-after-criticism-they-aren-t-doing-enough
    ‘… Simplicity managing director Sam Stubbs said banks had blown the chance to show they really care.’
    “We can’t see any gifts or donations for Covid-19 charities beyond $3 million, which is way less than one-10th of one percent of their profits last year.[ @ 6 billion dollars net. ]
    “They’ve really spun this as being a great gift to the New Zealand population but of course they’re not forgiving interest on any of these loans. In fact by our calculations they’re going to make about $15,000 more [per customer].”
    Stubbs said banks owed it to New Zealanders to up the goodwill, because a disproportionate amount of profit was made here compared to customers in Australia.
    “We have all of the [Australian-owned banks] making more money, on average 20 percent more, from a New Zealander …

    How can we be OK with the above? How is the scenario above going to benefit us, in any way? To extend aderns absurdist bubble to encapsulate us in there with the United Au$tralian $tate$ of Americlone is good for us? Why…? How…? Australia is our primary industry competitor for northern hemisphere food and wool markets so how is it better for AO/NZ to enbubbled with them when, not only are their banksters taking 20% more off us than their own people in AU but our farmers must compete with them to sell our produce?
    You really want to be in a bubble with fuckers like that?
    In my humble view… not at all. Right now? we’re slaves labouring for rich foreign parasites who will eventually and sooner rather than later come here and take our AO/NZ off us.
    That’d be a bit of a raw prawn wouldn’t it cobber? Fancy a Kangaroo sandwich?
    A word of warning…
    I see there are growing numbers of Confederates all over The Daily Blog like ticks on a Dingo. Don’t be drawn in. Ask them questions, never mind the comments. We should no longer take council from devious fools.

    • You are right there CB. Far more lkely to get a raw prawn from there than from China. Cullen wanted us to look towards adopting there currency. I dare say that the current PM wouldnt be averse to that either and as for our Minister of Finance… I dont think he’s ever recognised an actual real Nz centered plan. Ive got nothing against Aussies but man their corporate world probably make mincemeat of the Mafia. Everyone chooses to ignore money creation and banks. If the government doesn’t control them then the mafia does. Ours isnt even local..

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