American economic meltdown the new pandemic 

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As rightfully angry as we should be about China hiding the true extent of the pandemicsecretly buying up all the global safety equipment  and grossly under reporting the deaths the real fury should be at America and the UKs handling of this because quite frankly we expect more from them.

How angry can you really be about a brutal regime that locks a million Uyghurs up in labour camps, runs an Orwellian mass surveillance state and harvests the body organs of dissidents?

China is a repressive regime, that they misled us and lied about the true danger of this pandemic should come as no surprise, the standards however are far higher for the UK and America.

The splendid irony of Boris getting the virus after boasting it wasn’t big issue aside, the UK are in danger of a full blown pandemic now, as is America.

Nothing sums up the horror of where America is right now quite like watching Trump’s rambling, contradictory and absurd Pandemic briefings – this is so beyond his intellectual capacity it is terrifying.

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America is being run by an infantile man-baby devoid of any self awareness.

The lies and half truths spouted by Trump are beneath our collective intelligence but the real threat to the rest of us now is that his incompetence will cause a fully fledged economic implosion within America the likes we’ve never seen.

Look at this…

…the economic impact of the pandemic is the second wave of this tsunami and we urgently need to be preparing for this the moment the public health threat passes.

When Beijing catches the coronavirus, the planet gets sick, when Washington catches it, Capitalism dies.

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45 COMMENTS

  1. The President acted VERY fast:
    31-Dec-20:  A pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan, China was first reported to the WHO Country Office in China.
    15-Jan-20:  The first known case in the US of Chinese Virus in a 35-year-old man who had returned from Wuhan China, on January 15.
    29-Jan-20: The White House Coronavirus Task Force was established. 
    30-Jan-20:  The outbreak was declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern by the WHO.
    31-Jan-20:  The Trump administration barred entry by most foreign nationals who had recently visited China and put some American travelers under a quarantine as it declared a rare public health emergency.
    29-Feb-20:  First death from the Chinese Virus in USA. 60 infected.
    11-Mar-20: The World Health Organization characterized the Chinese Virus outbreak as a pandemic. 1248 infected.
    12-Mar-20:  President Trump announces travel ban from most of Europe. 1625 infected.
    13-Mar-20:  President Trump declares a national emergency freeing up additional resources and funding as federal, state and local governments attempt to combat the rapidly spreading disease. 2157 infected.
    14-Mar-20: Trump administration extends travel ban to the U.K. 2830 infected.
    15-Mar-20: CDC Urges a nationwide halt to gatherings of more than 50 people.
    15-Mar-20: Congress passes bipartisan Families First CoronaVirus Response Act which provides paid sick leave and free coronavirus testing, expands food assistance and unemployment benefits, and requires employers to provide additional protections for health care workers. 3553 infected.
    16-Mar-20: The White House advised all Americans to avoid groups bigger than 10. 4503 infected.
    18-Mar-20: The U.S. and Canada agreed to temporarily close their shared border to nonessential travel. 9003 infected.
    18-Mar-20: President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act.
    19-Mar-20: Travel Advisory: Level 4 – The Department of State advises U.S. citizens to avoid all international travel due to the global impact of the Chinese Virus. 13474 infected.
    19-Mar-20: President Trump orders the FDA to eliminate outdated rules and bureaucracy from the Obama administration to speed up work in the private sector.
    20-Mar-20: President Trump closes U.S.-Mexico border to nonessential travel.
    …………..
    Acted faster than Cindy!

    • @ Ross Mathews … which world President said the event of the coronavirus was fake news?

      BTW who/what is Cindy? I have never heard of her.

    • If you wish to compare Trump to Ardern and if Dumpty Trumpty acted faster than Jacinda why have so many people died in the States compared to N.Z.?

      • Bert I always have to recheck when I agree with you but reading a report from a New York hospital yesterday it made me so sad and angry at the incompetence that lead to this state of affairs. As a front line medical worker you would relate to this. Those that condemned the lockdown and praised Sweden should take note that on the National station they interviewed a NZ living there and the death toll is up to 700 .so not such a good move after all

        • Yes Trevor. What we do know of our bodies is that our immune system has cells designed to fight off viruses, bacteria and infection. Sadly as we age our immune system deteriorates and many others suffer immune system deficiencies.
          Because of this, sadly many die. What makes me angry Trevor is that Trump is allowing those compromised to struggle with such a devastating virus because of political posturing. Watching Trumps dismissal of the virus until many have died showed true insight into a man of little intellect and a huge ego. As you can see, I have nil respect for this man.

          • “Sadly as we age our immune system deteriorates and many others suffer immune system deficiencies.”

            Here is why I take the precautions seriously.

            You’ve seen my views on the numbers, the risk, my feelings on the lock-down.

            But perhaps I am wrong. And if I am, most people I know are in the high-risk groups. So I set up those I can to be able to isolate, and moved to a place on my own, to protect them in case I am wrong. If I am wrong but stay “safe”, I can say “sorry people I was wrong, this really was worse than I imagined, and I now want to worship the very sunlight that shines from Jacinda’s butthole, and thank God I didn’t infect any of you”. If I am wrong but act like there’s nothing to worry about, I’ll be saying “Sorry I got your mom/aunt/dad/brother sick and they died” to at least one person. No thanks.

            (If I am right, I’ll be saying “I’m so sorry. I wish there was more we could’ve done to stop your loved one taking their own life” or “I wish we could’ve helped stop the stress that led to the heart attack/stroke that killed your loved one” more often than I should be).

            Hopefully we’ll know better soon 🙂

      • If you take nz’s population,4.9million and the USA’s population 330million with 1 death in NZ and 4500 in the USA then yes Jacinda has done 67 times better than Trump. But this is a rather crude use of statistics as NZ was warned by the Chinese outbreak that something bad was afoot whereas Trump received no warning from his “intelligence” agencies, who have actively worked to depose him since his election.
        But we can all agree, hasn’t Vanuatu done well with a population of 307,000 and no deaths that makes 0% death rate, infinity times better than Jacinda.

        • “Trump received no warning from his “intelligence” agencies,”

          What utter bullshit. Trump received multiple briefings from intelligence agencies warning of the danger of corona virus. He chose to ignore them.

          • https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-all-the-times-trump-was-warned-about-pandemic-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

            “US intelligence officials were warning Trump about a pandemic as early as January, The Washington Post reported, as more information emerged on the respiratory virus spreading in China. The president was receiving the briefings at the same time that he publicly downplayed the risk of the virus.
            By the end of January and beginning of February, a majority of the intelligence contained in Trump’s daily briefings was about the coronavirus, the report said.
            “The system was blinking red,” one US official with access to the intelligence told The Post. “Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were – they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.”
            On Jan. 31, the Trump administration restricted most Chinese travellers from flying to the US. The president and his allies also repeatedly referred to the disease as the “Chinese virus,” which public health experts warned was racist and did little to help the situation.

        • Trump says ‘nobody’ could’ve predicted a pandemic like coronavirus. Here are all the times he was warned about it and refused to take action.
          https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-all-the-times-trump-was-warned-about-pandemic-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

          “US intelligence officials were warning Trump about a pandemic as early as January, The Washington Post reported, as more information emerged on the respiratory virus spreading in China. The president was receiving the briefings at the same time that he publicly downplayed the risk of the virus.
          By the end of January and beginning of February, a majority of the intelligence contained in Trump’s daily briefings was about the coronavirus, the report said.
          “The system was blinking red,” one US official with access to the intelligence told The Post. “Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were – they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.”
          On Jan. 31, the Trump administration restricted most Chinese travellers from flying to the US. The president and his allies also repeatedly referred to the disease as the “Chinese virus,” which public health experts warned was racist and did little to help the situation.”

        • Ike, yes it was a deliberate crude measure. A measure that was in response to Ross Mathews crude and vulgar…”Acted faster than Cindy!” and may I say your very own crude measure of…
          “But we can all agree, hasn’t Vanuatu done well with a population of 307,000 and no deaths that makes 0% death rate, infinity times better than Jacinda.”

    • As a consequence of Trump’s incompetence and basing policy on his unscientific hunches and what’s good for Wall Street in short term, the US will descend into nationwide chaos over the next few weeks..

      The Guardian article on the matter sums it up well.

      ‘The president’s failure to heed the warnings about coronavirus and act quickly has set in train a domino effect that now imperils large swathes of the US.’

      ‘It is a catastrophe that many scientists and public health emergency experts believe could substantially have been averted, if only Trump had listened.

      “This will be regarded as the worst public health disaster in America in a century,” said Eric Topol, professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research in San Diego. “The root cause of the disaster was the lack of readiness to understand where, how and when the disease was spreading.”’

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/04/trump-coronavirus-science-analysis

    • Most of the measures you list involve the words “urge”, “advise” or “avoid”.
      That is not good enough if you want to stop a pandemic.
      But Trump seems to think it is.
      Ross, if you think these are fast decisive actions compared to those in New Zealand then your thinking is a bit skewed, sport!
      PS. They are still holding church services in the US, apparently God will save them from the pandemic.

    • Cannot agree with you. I too watched today’s (yesterday in USA) and there were parts when their President was incoherent; times when he was using the press conference for unashamed electioneering; and times when his answers bore little relation, if any, to the question.
      I have also watched the daily press conferences our PM has given, and followed her decisions and actions closely.
      The difference between the two leaders is chasm-like with Ms Adern far, far superior in every respect.

  2. Love how non transparent this government is at the media briefings,

    All the journos have to put their questions “out front” so these charlatans can rehearse their BS. Never like answering off the cuff because one might actually go off narrative

  3. But does trump ‘run’ the USA?
    I was sure he was a numpty sacrifice for when the inevitable financial ‘reset’ was on cue, which it is?
    Think simon bridges but shorter and more orange?
    From the evidence at hand, that I can see at least, trump, like our prime minister has very little to do with anything.
    If peter theil can walk right over our ministry to get an AO/NZ citizenship then multi billionaires can do anything to anyone at any time.
    Was ” Allow us to buy AO/NZ land under the pretext of planting trees please Green Party? Now, here’s lots of money. ” never said to anyone?
    Yeah, fucking right.

  4. I really don’t see how linking to a new report of A US intelligence report is all you need to prove your case here. This report is more thorough and balanced which is what we need in these matters and is worth reading.

    FAIR: You Don’t Need to Believe China About China’s Coronavirus Success
    “Neither the Chinese government nor US intelligence agencies are particularly trustworthy sources. So if they disagree about whether China’s figures on its Covid-19 outbreak are accurate, as Bloomberg reported, is there any way to tell who’s telling the truth?
    Well, you could look at the report from the World Health Organization (2/28/20), which sent a team of international observers to China from February 16–24 as the outbreak was still ongoing, talking to hundreds of Chinese doctors and other frontline health workers in hospitals, clinics and laboratories. As Dr. Bruce Aylward, the Canadian doctor and former WHO assistant director general who co-led the team, said in a press conference (2/24/20) presenting the team’s findings:
    https://fair.org/home/you-dont-need-to-believe-china-about-chinas-coronavirus-success/

  5. Two interesting articles and a short 3 minute video on covid-19 and china
    https://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2020/03/watch-what-chinese-do.html

    https://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2020/03/coronavirus-getting-angry.html

    Regarding the usa economics and us ,,,, we have a known domino disaster heading our way ,,,, With the amount of debt defaults coming … all our banks are merrill lynch right now.

    Tourism is dead for a year ,,, international students is also gone ,,,,,, two big money earners and employers in NZ.

    Sitting on our hands is not an option unless watching and having a known disaster ,,, is preferable to intervening.

    I’ve been banging on about how bad tax havens are ,,, because of what they cost us all.

    But war is another mad mans expense the world needs to be rid off ,,,

    We need to postpone some of the $20 Billion we are spending on war toys ,,, and divert it to health.

    The mix is all wrong in our mixed economy ……

    • Here’s a long but interesting read on covid-19 options and economics ,,,lots of graphs and stuff showing numbers and projections.
      https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

      “Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance
      What the Next 18 Months Can Look Like, if Leaders Buy Us Time”

      “The lack of measures in the US and UK is in stark contrast, especially in the US. These countries are still not doing what allowed Singapore, South Korea or Taiwan to control the virus, despite their outbreaks growing exponentially. But it’s a matter of time. Either they have a massive epidemic, or they realize late their mistake, and have to overcompensate with a heavier Hammer. There is no escape from this.

      But it’s doable. If an outbreak like South Korea’s can be controlled in weeks and without mandated social distancing, Western countries, which are already applying a heavy Hammer with strict social distancing measures, can definitely control the outbreak within weeks. It’s a matter of discipline, execution, and how much the population abides by the rules.”

  6. THE BUSINESS RIGHT vs THE MEDICAL LEFT

    1. The central debate seems to be neoliberal business interests lobbying Govts to keep the economy open and preserve profits at all costs ,(While accepting the loss of live as survival of the fittest) Vs the Medical professionals ,Govt health Officials and more center- left Govts and leaders who want to put peoples lives first , shut the virus down as quickly as possible ,so the economy can recover more quickly .

    2. Those countries with center right Govts and leaders who have listened to industry first and the medics second seemed to have opened pandoras box by leaving action too late .

    I predict the deliberate choice to continue “business as usual ” for as long as possible in Brazil /US/UK/Australia and now Sweden will end the political careers of Trump/Boris/Scomo/ etc because of the gross political mismanagement of this crisis .

    3. Sweden 10m vs NZ 5m will be a good cross-cultural comparison in social health policy when this is all over. At the moment Sweden is continuing to do nothing in terms of lockdown and already has 5000 cases and 239 deaths being a very dangerous experiment and could have half its population infected by the end of April .

    4. Seeing what was happening in Italy and Spain it appears Jaccinda choose to act sooner rather than later and thankfully choose her health experts advice over her business lobbyists and put the people first .We didn’t want to be the next Italy .That took significant courage .

    We may in the future be extremely glad she did act sooner rather than later given the grim crisis modeling if we waited too long .Not only did she have a sense of compassion for the NZ population ,she could also see that a South Pacific Italy in 4 weeks time with a small ICU capacity and a huge body count would not work well at the polls or personally for her future career ….Thank god she acted when she did .

    5. I propose we start a new reality TV show called ” The Carona Games ” -Worlds best Leader 2020 .It will give us real time compulsive TV viewing every night to help get through the lockdown .

    All the worlds leaders have a pandemic arrive on the shores and they have to solve the crisis and minimize the harm to their population to win . Each week the worst performing leader is booted of the show .So far NZ is still in running and we are very very lucky we don’t have a Trump for PM .I can’t see trump staying on the show much longer …..

    Yours , Locked up Lemming .

    • I will simply say this.

      We have had 1 death in NZ linked to Covid-19.

      I personally know of 2 suicides linked to the government actions.

      Just in my experience alone the government’s actions have led to more people dying than the virus.

      Now.. The big questions are how badly off we would be if it was running through the streets, assuming it hasn’t already done so (would be cool if the government would “test test test” like they shout instead of “refuse refuse refuse” like people have actually experienced – especially if we could get the cheap and quick antibody tests that show if someone has already had the virus and is immune from re-infection for a time). Italy’s covid-19 death rate is still below it’s usual death rates for influenza. I haven’t managed to find any numbers on influenza deaths there which is something I would really want to know – it either helps my argument or hurts it, but either way I want to know the truth of the matter. Has covid-19 effectively replaced Influenza over there, or are they still seeing similar numbers of deaths from influenza, or are some of the deaths from one being attributed to the other?

      If Influenza is still hitting as hard as it normally does then the rates of people dying are more than double, and that is what we could well have seen if the government had not acted as they did. But if Covid has effectively replaced Influenza, then our own death rate would’ve been roughly the same as we face each year anyway although there are sometimes influenza vaccines. I have known people who had the vaccine and got a strain that wasn’t covered by the vaccine, or at least that’s what they were told when they got sick days after being given the vaccine.

      With some luck, at least this will have people doing a better job of washing their hands and not coughing on everything in sight. Studies I’ve read elsewhere suggest something like “if 60% of people practised proper hand washing, 90% of outbreaks would be stopped”.

      The toll on our population will be high and there will still be a body count. On one hand, we have those who’d have died from Covid-19 – some of whom will likely die this winter anyway. On the other had, we have the suicides, the heart attacks, the strokes, the people who give up healthy living, the people who cannot afford medication, those who were scheduled to get critical cancer or other scans where they’ve been put off (with cancer, early detection is critical and in some cases even a week can be the difference between surviving for several years at least and being buried in a few months).

      I don’t know if we could ever actually tell, but for now I find it quite conceivable that, in suffering and body-count, the lock-down could prove the bigger killer. Having those who are at higher risk isolate while the rest of us stayed working may’ve been better, maybe not. We may have a better idea come spring time.

      Meanwhile, those moaning about the increase to beneficiaries – just remember that the lockdown means it’ll probably be at least 10% of our workforce and maybe 30% of them – people who would’ve been in work had the government taken a different track (and given the reports that most people don’t get strong symptoms (including Jacinda Adern’s own admission today that Italy probably has many times the infection rate but those people don’t show symptoms, it’s feasible we WOULDN’T have had the high numbers of people off-work as some people imagine). According to a published report from IIRC the Auckland chamber of commerce, 30% of the thousand businesses surveyed in the last few days have said they will close permanently due to the lock down.

      Ms Adern, I hope you were right. I really do. I don’t think the nation would survive much if you were proven wrong. All this pain and suffering you and your cohorts heaped on us, and for what? Be right!

      • Working in mental health, I have seen an explosion of suicides during 9 years of Nationals health and social policy reforms. Suicides I had to personally attend.

        I don’t think “I personally know of 2 suicides linked to the government actions.” helps anyone.

        • Having suffered depression for 6 years triggered by surviving an major heart problem I can say that suicide can rarely be put down to a single cause . There may be a final trigger but it would come after lots of smaller incidents probably going back years so it is very simplistic to say a person died because of a single incident.
          Pointing the finger at how the government has operated does not help as you would probably point the same figure if they had done nothing.

          • Again Trev, I need to respond to outrageous posts with outrageous responses . Now I need my head read in agreeing with you. Suicide as you say is an accumulative of many factors, these could be through trauma of psychosocial or biochemical reasons. As you point out depression can also occur as the result of multiple issues therefore a comment of “I personally know of two suicides linked to the government’s actions” is a finite definition and cannot go unchecked without evidence. As I could argue how many suicides were there as a result of the 9 years National were in power? We are in unprecedented times, using that argument to say the present government is panicking is appalling behavior . Commentators greater than those of us commentating on here from around the world are stating how effective we have been in minimizing the spread and therefore death toll. The benefit is a quicker return to a new normal and the least possible disruption to the economy.

    • we are very very lucky we don’t have a Trump for PM

      He’s right there, ready and waiting, using the pandemic to stake his claim while pitching to the world media. Duterte’s little matey is politicking to the max.

  7. The Recession Bread Lines Are Forming in Mar-a-Lago’s Shadow

    Though it’s just a four-minute drive across the lagoon from Mar-a-Lago, President Donald Trump’s private club, and ten minutes from the Palm Beach outposts of Chanel and Louis Vuitton, Howley’s diner has become an emblem of America’s stark new economic reality.

    With more than 10 million people across the nation suddenly unemployed, bread lines are forming in the shadows of privileged enclaves like this one in Florida.

    For the past two weeks, the kitchen staff at Howley’s has been cooking up free meals—the other day it was smoked barbecue chicken with rice and beans, and salad—for thousands of laid off workers from Palm Beach’s shuttered restaurants and resorts. The rows of brown-bag lunches and dinners are an early warning that the country’s income gap is about to be wrenched wider as a result of the Covid-19 crisis, and the deep recession it has brought with it. The Recession Breadlines are Forming – Bloomberg

  8. A bit of humour…

    A plane with 5 passengers on board, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, Xi Jinping and a 10-year-old schoolboy. The plane is about to crash and there are only 4 parachutes.

    Trump says I need one: “I’m the smartest man in the USA and am needed to make America great again.” Takes one and jumps.

    Johnson says, ‘I’m needed to sort out Britain’. He takes one and jumps.

    Xi Jinping says, ‘I need one, as the world needs Chinese money.’ He takes one and jumps.

    Angela says to the ten year old: “You can have the last parachute. I’ve lived my life, yours is only just starting.”

    The 10-year-old replies: “Don’t worry, there are 2 parachutes left. The smartest man in the USA took my school bag.”’

    • It is an old joke, with many variants, but I think Trump fits this role better than any other I have read about 🙂

      Thanks for posting!

  9. Today, (yesterday in US). Pres. Trump has decided that he will sacrifice himself, his own health and become a guinea pig and take the drug that theyre about to start testing for CronyVirus.
    He doesnt know what ‘Malaria’ is or how to pronounce it but he ‘believes’ it will protected him from another word, “Coronavirus’ or CronyVirus.
    He still thinks ‘it’ is no worse than the flu but ….

    • “He still thinks ‘it’ is no worse than the flu but ….”

      I had a really nice tea tonight. Such a shame I am about to have to go and vomit it up..

      Why? Because I am about to agree with Trump. I also agreed with Bridges today – WTF is this world coming to that someone as left as I am can agree with these two??????

      According to the WHO, many media reports, reported death rates etc, for most people this is nothing more than a mild flu or cold. The death rates, while perhaps higher, are still comparable to the flu.

      It is argued that there are many asymptomatic cases with Covid-19, many who don’t know they had it or are so mild they don’t get checked and that’d cause a lower death rate. However, how often does that happen with Influenza? I’m certain I’m not alone in having had Influenza but not felt a need to see a Dr about it – IOW Influenza’s reported death rate is probably higher than it’s actual death rate for the same reason.

      Either way, based on WHO and other figures, Trump is correct.

      Saying that really makes me sick. Please excuse me while I void my entire system,

      • Your Nausea could be the conflict between what comes out of trumps mouth and reality ,,, “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have walked back their guidance for appropriate PPE for those caring for patients with COVID-19, from their initial recommendation of N-95 masks to a simple surgical mask once N-95s became scarce. As our supply has dwindled, the CDC now says that bandanas and scarves are acceptable if nothing else is available. This is not acceptable.”

        ” Healthcare providers do not want to be your heroes — they didn’t sign up for that. There is nothing heroic about this situation. They only want to be able to do the job they love and do it safely”,,, Trump, Boris and other ‘let it burn’ white flag leaders, are a danger to health workers ,,,, and us all.
        https://medium.com/@leahfesi/nurses-are-not-your-heroes-efc3d039c2d2

        Also ,,,, Look , at what China is DOING ,,,
        ” You can see the Chinese take COVID-19 very seriously indeed.

        We can conclude that

        a. The Chinese have seen the virus. They think they know what it can do. They are scared. Do not believe the Chinese numbers. The truth is much worse. But believe the Chinese actions. They think fear is appropriate.

        b. The Chinese have proven that a super-hard lockdown lasting seven weeks in affected areas 2.5 weeks in Shanghai etc can work. Their major cities have low virus load and major Western cities have not.

        c. The Chinese Government are super-scared of reintroducing it.
        https://youtu.be/5P88TVa3q0Q

  10. In a graphic demonstration of soft power, so far China has offered Covid-19-related equipment and medical help to no fewer than 89 nations – and counting.

    That covers Africa (especially South Africa, Namibia and Kenya, with Alibaba in fact announcing it will send help to all African nations); Latin America (Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Peru); the arc from East Asia to Southwest Asia; and Europe.
    Key recipients in Europe include Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Serbia and Poland. But Italy, most of all, is a very special case. Most are donations. Some are trade – like millions of masks sold to France (and the US).
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/china-rolls-out-the-health-silk-road/

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