TVNZ POLL: National 47%, Labour 40%, Green 7%, NZ First 4%

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The Spinoff accusations that led right wing pundits and journalists to falsely declare that Jacinda knew about a serious sexual assault and hid it strikes again!

TVNZ POLL: National 47%, Labour 40%, Green 7%, NZ First 4%

When you consider how many pundits and ‘journalists’ claimed the PM covered up a sexual assault after the Spinoff accusation, it’s surprising Labour didn’t plummet lower.

TVNZ use a 50-50 landline-cell phone methodology so this should help the Greens, yet they managed to only get to 7%.

NZ First are in a  good position to get over 5% for the election, so they remain as a life line for Labour’s second term.

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It’s a harsh lesson for Labour that allegations in the age of social media trump actual guilt or innocence but as insane as that is, that’s where we are now.

The deeper irony is that this only hurts the Left, not the Right.

The big hope for progressives is the 18% don’t knows or refused to answer.

51 COMMENTS

  1. Exactly Martyn.

    That’s why today earlier we suggested that labour needs its own ‘media platform’now as they never got that promised $38 million dollar ‘free to air TV channel to replace the (TV7 channel) National canned.

    If they get it up and running to cover the public affairs issues with a heavy component of ‘investigative journalism’ to compliment their public commercial free TV channel it will uncover all the Opposition parties dirty politics activities.

    Already National has kidnapped TV one and Radio NZ so Government needs their own voice.

    • Don’t be idiotic, Ada. There have been accusations of sexual assaults from left and right for over a year now.

      Accusations of a cover-up Ada, coming from the usual Roger Kerr devotees, but nothing substantiated, let alone proven. Why are certain of you so sex-fixated ? Hmm ?

      Let me tell you this. There is no woman – apart from possibly you – who reads this blog, who would for one moment entertain the idea of PM Ardern being party to a cover-up of sexual assault against other women.

      And if there were any women of any party victim of inappropriate behaviour in the parliamentary precinct,
      do not re-victimise them again, leave them alone, stop using them for your private little war. They have their own lives to live, and their own memories to carry, and there is no good reason to use them to play dirty politics.

      • If you are going to insult another poster and attempt to smear them as a distraction, can you at least read the post for sense, layout and flow?

        It’s only polite and shows a good education.

    • Just as Nationals sexual assault coverups faded and then the JLR saga. There is more to play in the Jamie Lee Ross saga particularly with Luxton challenging Botany, I believe it will open the floodgates to Jamie’s scorn. There should be many national M.P.’s worried.

    • Ada – One reason to be sceptical about any number(s) of young women seeking out Bennett for help allegedly not provided for alleged workplace problems, is the number of avenues already available for complainants employed by govt depts. These include:

      Approaching the manager
      Approaching the manager’s manager – they’re usually good
      Approaching Human Resources
      Approaching a union delegate – usually the PSA
      Approaching the counselling service available for public servants
      Approaching Parliamentary Services – specific to this particular workplace
      Approaching an employment lawyer – many charge only if successful; all are confidential
      Approaching the police

      So there are a number of problem-solving processes available without even involving the police, which some may not wish to do.

      Approaching the media – would be my second last choice, or approaching Paula Bennett, my last choice, and I have included neither on the above list. I probably know people who have accessed all on that list.

      To suggest that PM Ardern covered up sexual-assaults is unrealistic when there are so many existing resources available for complainants, and when all of these resources are aware of each other, and are able to interact with each other if necessary, and none of which a PM could veto. It stretches incredulity to suggest that they all failed alleged victims, and that a fairly busy PM then proceeded with a cover-up.

      Perhaps it’s best to leave playing Sherlock Holmes to Conan Doyle.

      • Why is condescension your default approach to people you disagree with?

        According to Andrea Vance’s reporting, the young people tried to go through Labour Party channels to spare the government any embarrassment, and were met with silence.

        Are all these people all National plants, or is Andrea Vance the National Party plant?

        • Ada – “According to Andrea Vance’s reporting, the young people tried to go through Labour Party channels to spare the government any embarrassment, and were met with silence.”

          None of the available help avenues which I have listed are Labour Party channels. They are non-political.

          All are confidential. As such they are unlikely to embarrass a government. You’d need to ask Andrea Vance what she was referring to in saying, “Labour Party channels.”

          “Are all these people all National plants, or is Andrea Vance the National Party plant?” It would surprise me if this is an either/or situation as you seem to be suggesting.

          Again, you’d have to ask Andrea Vance whether she is a National Party plant – it sounds a bit far-fetched to me.

          I have no idea who “all these people are.” Bennett may be the best person to clarify this for you.

  2. Utterly insane and somewhat frightening that almost half the voting population could be so incredibly stupid or shallow. No doubt they all want tax cuts because there is nothing else National could possibly put before them that would improve anyones lives. We don’t need tax cuts …we need a move to social equity.

    • That’s all well and good, but the reality is that Labour has done nothing I can think of to significantly improve social equity.
      So while Adern spouts on about how she cares, she has actually delivered nothing for those who voted for her.
      The good news for Labour is that a reasonable percentage of people will vote for them anyway and a good percentage of those whose vote they lose will migrate to the Greens or simply abstain.
      However if they want to retain power they need to start delivering results rather than promises.
      If it wasn’t for Aderns youth and mass appeal, Labour would never have seized power and would likely be languishing in the 20s based on current performance.
      However, they are leaning way too heavily on her appeal and it could just end up biting them on the arses.

          • Andrew’s comment above reads like a political slogan for the Nats. It’s a meme they’re developing and promoting, endlessly repeating. We’re likely to see it popping up with increasing frequency over the weeks and months ahead, regardless of whatever else happens.

      • Seizing power was more about the need for change.National were corrupt and offered nothing for 90% of the population. So so very many of our services were degregated and our people impoverished. 9 years of National policies put paid to that. Labour got in on the back of a need for change and have achieved many policy changes to our social ills. The issue is that people are too lazy to look, brainwashed my the MSM and just anti Labour. It will take some considerable time to repair Nationals damage yet people will attack Labour two years into a term.

        • Couldn’t have said it better Bert they have had 2 yrs to fix 9 years mess and unfairness.
          Now when national say the coalition are bad economic managers this is party that got how many surpluses despite selling our state houses and land and our airport shares.
          How much did they increase our IMF debt by wasn’t it ten fold, Winstone will hammer them on these issues they won’t get away with all their spin and bullshit that easy same with our bias media who are busy trying to damage Jacindas integrity and image.
          So to say they(national) are good or better economic managers when we have lowest unemployment rate and a surplus national are looking at a hiding on this economic management bull it wont come from our media they are sick.

    • Deane: “We don’t need tax cuts …we need a move to social equity.”

      Very true. And, as noted at this link, by reducing poverty and creating greater social equity, we also benefit the environment.

    • Tax cuts when done right can benefit the least well off and here I am thinking this government should do a John Key and go all “tax neutral” by reducing GST to 10% and upping the top tax rate to compensate for the loss.

      This, with some micromanaging of retailers who try not to pass on the reduction, could in effect do a lot of good work for inequity and it would be hard to argue using Key’s lying but successful antilogic PR he spun. Hosking would of course choke on his imported wheat product breakfasts but hey, if Honest John said it, well then it must be true!

      And I think for Labours voter base it would be popular. It may even gain the approval of the Reserve Bank Governor on the basis of economic stimulation.

      • XRAY, Our GST DEFINITELY needs to be looked at and re-thought!

        Compared with similar taxes in the UK, Canada and Aus, (GST or VAT), – ours takes a far heavier toll on the poor. Just compare them.

        The others exempt essential foods, for example. Our NZ GST is not only heavier in dollar terms, it does not exempt any essential needs of the poor. It does have a few exemptions, and guess who they benefit: “rents collected on residential rental properties [o/s landlords?], precious metals and financial services”. Gov IR Doc here.

  3. Exactly Martyn.

    That’s why today earlier we suggested that labour needs its own ‘media platform’now as they never got that promised $38 million dollar ‘free to air TV channel to replace the (TV7 channel) National canned.

    If they get it up and running to cover the public affairs issues with a heavy component of ‘investigative journalism’ to compliment their public commercial free TV channel it will uncover all the Opposition parties dirty politics activities.

    Already National has kidnapped TV one and Radio NZ so Government needs their own voice.

  4. Fantastic news, although the election is way off so who knows. It’s a dark sign nonetheless for the NZ Left, which was a great excuse to crack open a bottle of champagne a few minutes ago. National + Act = awesome for this country. It’s going to come down to “pistols at dawn” come election time 🙂 Roll on 2020, and may democracy take its course.

  5. God help labour can see them plunging in the polls, just saw on Q & A that Phil Tyford is fronting up with growth, growth, growth, more housing, more housing… who are the houses being built for, moneylaunders, low cost workers, income free retirees that are being given visas to come here, anyone with a sob story? … people on NZ wages can’t afford prices rising 30% in places like Southland and average prices of 1 million in Auckland, when wages are stagnating, businesses are going into liquidation and 300,000 new people arrive in NZ each year needing houses and jobs and cars, along with millions of tourists needing accomodation and transport?

    The only reason Labour got in last time, when they were totally out of touch was that in the critical week before the election, Jacinda had a spat with Richardson about maternity and took the focus away from Labour’s housing policy which has tanked Labour and now Greens for nearly a decade with their out of touch Nat Lite, neoliberal business led housing policies where the maths and demand side numbers just aint even going to balance to their aspirations and people are not stupid, well the wokies are, but they are probably less than 3% so not much use for voting.

    Just noticed that apparently with the poor students body not being discovered for weeks in a student hall, the focus is to fine the university $100k, not the overseas provider who of course should not be held accountable! So I guess the education system now pays when the overseas providers don’t do their jobs, that will fix it! Sarcasm! Good neoliberal plan! The public system can pay for the private systems incompetence and greed yet again!

    • We’re living in interesting times. Exposing the swamp and tearing down the establishment is real rock star economy. The world is changing people in front of your eyes. Wasn’t Trump that caused it. But its him and those that those that are wise to change that are going to fix it.

  6. I think we all know well by now that the mainstream NZ media are so deep into the NZ National Party pocket to the point they, the media, will always obey their National Party masters orders..

    Maybe I am being silly but the coincidence of this ‘pole’ coming out just now is absolutely suspect. Over the past so many weeks Jacinda has been receiving praise, respect and admiration from many influential people around the world eg Sir Elton John.

    Surely it must have irked National and their pathetic bunch of supporters(especially those in the mainstream NZ media)to hear Jacinda being praised and admired. I doubt one National Party politician has ever received the amount of praise, respect, admiration etc and that probably bring out the green eyed monster in the National Party ranks.

  7. Well that whole sexual assault accusations thing made no difference to my view of Labour, which is disappointment. Nothing has really changed from under national, we got promises, kind words and ……. Nothing. At least with national they’re honest, they say we’re going to stab you in the chest and they do it. Labour says we’ll give you a hug and then stabs you in the back. I’d like the original Labour party back, not the national party lite wearing it’s skin suit.

    • National are honest? Are you drunk? National are inveterate liars. If you’ve read ‘The Hollow Men’ or ‘Dirty Politics’ (and if you haven’t, you should), you’ll know the National Party as it exists today is populated by smirking, callous troughers who exhibit contempt for the poor, spite for those who dare to contradict them, a willingness to stoop to subterranean levels to acquire power and a moral compass that isn’t just broken, it’s been ground to a fine powder and scattered to the four winds. They are a yawning chasm of self-serving hubris and have all the compassion of a black hole. They’re devious, disingenuous shit-wizards who’d sell their own grandmothers for a parliamentary pension and a pat on the head from the Queen. Honest? Dear God. They’re about as far from being honest as it’s possible to get without resorting to time travel.

      Fuck National. Fuck them with a chainsaw. That’s on fire. And covered in anthrax.

  8. No one will remember any of the political “scandals” from 2019 in 2020. We live in the age of the “24 hour news cycle”. Anyone that thinks these early polls mean anything with respect to being a useful forward predictor of the 2020 election has been living under a rock. No one in Labour should be concerned about this. No one in national should assume assured victory. These polls are basically little more than click-bait.

  9. Yes, our MSM and polls are a sad joke. The Government reneged on the non commercial TV channel. It would have scuppered the Private TV channel! Labour must do something significant, and soon. Free public transport, expand passenger rail in Wellington, massive state house building, by the state, electrification of the main trunk line, invest in coastal shipping, reintroduce apprenticeship training as previously, expand Kiwibank, tinkering makes Labour look unsure and neo-liberal …

  10. Jacinda!
    “Its not your enemies you need to worry about. You can always see them.
    It’s your friends. They come from behind.” [Wallace Rowling]

    It’s that time again.

    Meanwhile the master of mulching vowels is now safe from Crusher and whomever else was knitting while waiting for the blue guillotine to drop.

  11. Labour has plenty of issues of their own making.

    Failure to deliver on housing. Huge expectations and a storm talked up in opposition. The recent band-aid of ramping up debt on first home buyers whilst leaving most of the failed housing market settings in place is NOT the answer.
    Failure to deliver on any promises or anything on transport. Auckland got a tax but the vast vast majority of us can’t see a difference except it hurts at the pump and Auckland Transport putting in irritating speed bumps. What happened to Jacinda’s light rail from Wynyard to Mt Roskill, opening in 2021 apparently,…NOT. And with these failures disappears an initiative to deliver this generations nuclear-free moment in Climate Change.

    And is it any coincidence the Minister responsible for both is or was Phil Twyford, a man so far out of his depth it is just tragic to watch, tragic for Twyford and tragic for his party who seem oblivious to the damage he renders and as a result is sinking fast with him.

    And on that subject is it a coincidence that Justin Lester just lost the Wellington mayoralty? I don’t follow Wellington local politics but I do know that Transport is a big problem there, real or perceived. Their public transport system has been turned on its head and not in a good way, any projects to supposedly assist the gridlock there have been canned but the proposed alternatives (Light rail being just one) seem even more distant to the point of never happening. And again Twyford is very much involved, most especially for his now trademark vanishing act when the going gets nowhere.

    Wake up, Jacinda, the iceberg is now just ahead and you are fast running out of time!!!

    And don’t even mention Shane Jones. That clown needs to go!

    • Xray – Yes, it’s just a coincidence that Mayor Justin Lester lost in Wellington, and almost certainly not party politics.

      One environment issue – Shelley Bay – plus, I suppose the invisible bus service. The newly elected mayor, experienced long term councillor, Andy Foster, has good historical credentials on green issues; I voted for him and urged others to, but I have no idea of his party affiliation – if any – and nor did anyone else raise it – pretty sure he’s independent, but I’d have voted for him anyway.

  12. If Labour loses the next election without making real change (i.e. reforming welfare when they had the opportunity) I will never forgive them

  13. The majority within the MSM have decided, the tide is turning, Jacinda’s time is nearing its end, that is as PM. Follow the negative reporting, and a sterner look at Jacinda Dear, they now take. There is also that Luxon star at the horizon, they still cling to a Key like Star on Heaven, the middle class dream of another prince in shining armour to step forward, offering more goodies like house value increases, cheap immigrant labour, more immigration creating ‘growth’ and so forth.

    They want to keep their SUVs and a life style fueled by fossil fuel.

  14. Worth noting that in more recent times polls tend to favour the left more than reality. Eg Trump had 1% chance of winning, Brexit was never going to happen and ScoMo was on a hiding to nothing according to the polls.

  15. “During elections, and major public policy events, much of the media coverage focuses on the “horse race,” or fluctuations in support for a candidate or policy.

    “Reporting on public opinion not only affects support, but levels of engagement: donations, volunteering and turnout.

    “These bandwagon effects can make polls self-fulfilling prophecies; the predictions of the polls come to pass because the polls not only measure public opinion but also influence public opinion and engagement.” – Huff Post : How Polls Affect Voters

    The hysteria of people like Claire Trevett, who’s headline reads “Polls put Jacinda Ardern and Simon Bridges in white-knuckle ride to elections”, is evident. These are merely their own attempts to influence the voting public. They are going all out to create their own self-fulfilling prophecy.

    This at a time when the world is being torn apart in many ways, environmentally and socially. The craven local media mouths throw any clearer insight or higher perspective to the winds and choose to engage in this b.s manipulation.

  16. I’m a very strong supporter of the Government, especially our magnificent PM but they are losing the battle to remain in Government a little more each day. If they lose on election day 2020 they will be gone for at least another 9 years and almost certainly a lot longer. They would still be in political oblivion now if it wasn’t for Jacinda and for my money she is a once in a lifetime politician. Where are they going wrong? That’s easy. They are just too bloody nice. They are battling mongrels from the Rat Party who live in the gutter with their dirty politics. They are fighting back against them like new born lambs. That started during the previous election campaign. Labour came from oblivion to take the lead in the polls just prior to the election. That trend would have seen them with the numbers to Govern alone. They were highlighting the failings of the previous Government and promoting their policy. Then the rat party got down and dirty. They went into full on scaremongering over the water tax and other taxes. Steven Joyce threw his dead cat on the table with the farcical fiscal hole. Labour’s defence was pitiful and embarrassing. They spent the rest of the campaign on the back foot. They stopped going after the rat party failings despite there being an enormous amount of evidence to call on. They stopped promoting policy in the way they had previously. They became a wounded new born lamb surrounded by desperate and hungry wolves. Their climb up the polls was over and it was only Winston Peters that got them over the line. We are seeing exactly the same crap going on all over again. The biggest damage being down has been via the vile Paula Bennett and the farcical alleged sexual abuse cover up. They should be defending this bullshit to the max. Once they have highlighted the farce of it all they need to go after the rat party dirty politics involved and keep highlighting that situation. Instead, they have via Jacinda allowed the alleged victim and Bennett to get more and more traction. Encouraging Haworth to resign to take the heat out of it was an enormous fail. All it did was give the rats more power and make it “appear” the cover up allegations had real substance. The Rat Party did enormous damage to NZ in their 9 years and divided the country. NZ will never be the same. If they got back in they would resume that exact same carnage and of course continue calling that carnage a “rock star economy”. We can’t afford to ever go down that road again. Fight fire with fire or we are all fucked…..except of course Rat Party supporters. Wake up. The Latrine Rodents are already celebrating their 2020 election victory.

    • Jacindafan – Yep, the LP has been behaving like a vicarage tea party, and continually allowing the Nats to control the narrative – except for the odd exception like Shane Jones, who’s perhaps too careless with his ego.

      I’m also very sorry to see PM Arden throw Wgtn’s ex-mayor Justin Lester under the bus, even though I didn’t vote for him. It was unnecessary. The Wgtn Mayoralty was likely decided by one issue, the desecration of Shelley Bay, not by party politics. Trotter says two issues, adding the invisible Wgtn bus service; he may be right, but workers massively stressed by the inadequate temperamental public transport service may be just too whacked to bother voting. Lester lost the election, but Ardern’s dismissal of him was inaccurate, it was ungentlemanly, and petty. She had an opportunity to be big and magnanimous and gracious to the defeated mayor, and blew it.

      The Jacinda sex cover-up accusation had some bizarre aspects, and it was given respectability by The Spin Off who sometimes seem more focused on showing how clever they are. Hager’s exposure of Nat’s dirty politics, and the retirement of Slater, led some to think that they’d clean their act up, but,it looks as if their dirt is as deep-rooted as a cancer, and women now slinging pigswill at and about other women, is so odious, it could also be turning people away from party politics.

      As you say, PM Ardern has become victimised in this; it shouldn’t have happened this way, but it’s not hard to see why it did, and politics is not the place to turn the other cheek. The LP need to revisit their strategy.

      • “the LP has been behaving like a vicarage tea party, and continually allowing the Nats to control the narrative”

        Yes, very well put, Applewood. They are indeed allowing the Nats and co. to create and control the narrative. They need to find some way to counter this, and the sooner, the better. Some in the mainstream media are playing a rather sick game with public perception, often based on misrepresentations and outright lies.

        • Applewood and Kheala are right on the money.

          The entitled Nats despise feeling irrelevant in opposition and that fits perfectly with the very obvious divisive plan of the contemptible Simon Bridges.

          We could have a news story tonight of Jacinda swimming out to a sinking ship in Wellington Harbour saving 30 children. Immediately following that clip would be an interview with that upstart twerp Bridges claiming Ardern failed as she didn’t plug up the hole leaking fuel when she took the photo opportunity to save the children. I come close to vomiting every time I see Bridges. How can such a vile individual be rewarded in the polls for his 24/7 dirty divisive politics?

          • “We could have a news story tonight of Jacinda swimming out to a sinking ship in Wellington Harbour saving 30 children. Immediately following that clip would be an interview with that upstart twerp Bridges [or Hosking or any other of the Nats media minions] claiming Ardern failed as she didn’t plug up the hole leaking fuel when she took the photo opportunity to save the children.”

            Yep. That’s sort of what happened. Eg, She took on some of the world media giants in her fight against showing real-time graphic violence, and they are listening, and the effects are already being felt around the world. Yet what we hear from our local ms media are in effect “the chorus of the envious”.

      • In Auckland the ‘Shelley Bay” would have had the woke, right wingers and developers all up in arms against the evil NIMBYS who would have been harassed and given up by now… nimbys are terrible people who want social, community and environmental and transport standards in place before development, not free-for-all profiteering that the woke are keen for if it means they can demolish something historic or put shit loads of new concrete into the world for a trickle down, profit driven, housing scenario for overseas investors, …

        For all the bad points of Wellington, and their twitterati, at least the Wellington public are pushing back against the ‘Auckland’ reforms like worse transport links while being told they are better, higher housing and rental property prices with lower wages and selling off public assets to developers for a song to be made into apartments which often fail to meet any environmental or social or community standards and waved through by the woke dancing with ACT, Natz, labour,Green brigade… so that another leaky, shedding and poorly designed, overpriced set of apartments can be erected that in the next decades shitloads of litigation over whose fault the hasty errection caused faults are, which enrich the lawyers while the rate payers pay the council’s legal costs.
        !

  17. how does national win on 47% plus act equal 48% are they adding the other 3 parties that probably wont get in that equal 50% that is not a win we have 120 seats how did you work that out ?

  18. labour are building homes lot of them i see them everyday in the Hutt Valley they will have thousand completed by the next election so they can shove that fact up national and act who said we don’t have a housing crisis after selling two thousand state homes and creating SOE some sold to the chinese now this was not what the policies intentions were wasn’t it to house Nzers

  19. Somehow I doubt Labours downfall has as much to do with social media as it does with failing to keep its promises. Much as the media like to play up the on line political debates the reality is people do want transparent accountable government that does what it states its going to do when its elected. I think too, based on my observations people have never been so disenchanted with govt after 30+ years of grinding, soul crushing, neo liberalism.

    As it stands we may well end up with a hung Parliament if these results stand up and that’s anyone’s guess. Indeed maybe that would be a good thing as its time those lot got the message people like myself are sick and tired of them and their inability or unwillingness to listen and deliver.

  20. It is now October in the “Year of Delivery” and sweet FA has been achieved
    Economic growth has dived and it could be that we’re in a genuine recession by election time
    National hasn’t even started to electioneer yet: So far Labour’s problems are all own-goals.

  21. Lawyer Simon Mitchell stated his computer was forensically examined and it proved his claim to be correct that the alleged victims version was not truthful. Then the alleged victim jumped up and down saying the lawyer having the audacity in a democratic country to defend himself had added to her distress. As a result Jacinda did some serious placating and didn’t progress with the lawyers evidence. The outcome has been that most of the crap flung into the wall has stuck and hurt the Government in the polls. It will continue hurting them unless they defend themselves. The alleged victim went to Paula Bennett to get satisfaction. Very telling. Very few if any genuine sexual abuse victims would go down that track. The Police would be their first port of call. The fact a person as vile as Paula Bennett is in the thick of this farce highlights the truth has been hidden from view and skulduggery is in play. If the Government exposes the truth they can effectively sleepwalk back into Government next year. Do it not and continue paying the price. A lack of defence is effectively accepting allegations made are truthful.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/398894/labour-abuse-allegations-investigator-brings-in-computer-expert

  22. Couldn’t have said it better Bert they have had 2 yrs to fix 9 years mess and unfairness.
    Now when national say the coalition are bad economic managers this is party that got how many surpluses despite selling our state houses and land and our airport shares.
    How much did they increase our IMF debt by wasn’t it ten fold, Winstone will hammer them on these issues they won’t get away with all their spin and bullshit that easy same with our bias media who are busy trying to damage Jacindas integrity and image.
    So to say they(national) are good or better economic managers when we have lowest unemployment rate and a surplus national are looking at a hiding on this economic management bull it wont come from our media they are sick. Also someone cant add the % re- the polling.

  23. Labour have been doing a lot but the media don’t give a hoot.
    https://www.labour.org.nz/government_achievements?utm_campaign=190923_two_years_6&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nzlabour

    My National aquaintance (he was a friend but he threw his toys out of the cot) has been moaning about the waste of money under Labour and how we are going into debt and when I brought up the surplus he blew his top. The Nats despise the poor and sick and beneficiaries and only value money, tax cuts and the greedy.

    I can remember before the neolibs started their destructive path which doesn’t work. The “trickle down” con, the tax cut con, the “GST won’t be increased” con. Things are going to get to a dirty magnitude never seen before in NZ politics as the Nats get closer to the election and Labour will have to get rid of the feel good and wellbeing type of politics and unleash the dogs of “war” (if they have any) at the same time. And “gift” the Greens and NZ First a seat each as well nearer the election.

  24. Cut petrol taxes and Jacinda will lead Labour into a sure majority victory, 75-percent support, next election. Never mind the environment, the people want to be able to drive, drive, drive, at little cost.

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