John Minto Opening address notes – John Minto Vs David Cumin debate – 3 October 2019


The challenge I issued for this debate was in response to Dr Cumin’s assertion that the situation in Palestine is complicated. That’s a common ploy to discourage criticism of Israel – if you don’t know the details you have no right to an opinion. That’s untrue. White South Africa used to say the same thing to stem criticism of their apartheid system. Israel is using the same tactic. 

The situation is Palestine is very straightforward. In a word – colonialism. The movement of Jewish people from around the world to take over Palestine – to displace and subjugate the existing, indigenous Palestinian population.

Theodor Herzl – often referred to as the father of Zionism (the belief in the need for a separate Jewish state) – described it as a “colonial idea”. 

He believed Jews would be safe and secure only if they had their own homeland. He considered Uganda in Africa and South America, even Australia, but the movement eventually focused on Palestine – linking the ancient land of the Christian Bible, the Hebrew Bible and the Koran with the colonial project of Zionism.

It’s important to emphasise that Zionism arose from persistent and widespread European anti-Semitism. Jewish communities in Europe were frequently targeted over many centuries across the whole continent where 90% of Jews lived. For example, in Russia whenever the Tsar and the ruling class came under pressure they would redirect the anger and frustration of workers and peasants in pogroms against Jews – inciting mobs to burn homes and synagogues and murdering them.

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In this context of discrimination and oppression it’s easy to understand Zionist ideas gaining ground in Jewish communities in Europe. However, it was initially a minority, fringe view compared to the majority of Jews who believed in socialist ideas of international solidarity of workers and which rejected anti-Semitism outright. But in the 1930s emigration to Palestine quickened though surprisingly, in response to the Holocaust, most Jews fleeing Europe went to the US, Australia, Canada and even New Zealand rather than go to or stay in Palestine. Even today there are more Jews living in the US than in Israel itself.  

Zionism gained a greater following in the late 1940s for two reasons – the Holocaust (the Nazi attempt at genocide of all Jews living in Europe in which about six million Jews along with Communists, Socialists, homosexuals and Gypsies were murdered) and secondly the desire of western imperial powers, the US and UK, for a client state in the Middle East – one that could be relied on to support western imperial interests in the oil-rich area.

So, when Britain gave up control of Palestine, the United Nations agreed to a Jewish homeland being established in Palestine and a partition plan was signed in November 1947. 55% of Palestine was set aside for the Jewish homeland despite Jews making up just 30% of the population. Almost 400,000 Palestinians were to live in the area assigned for the Jewish state which would have had a small majority of Jewish citizens.

However, well before the formal declaration of the Israeli state, Israeli militia groups, including the Irgun and the Stern gang, began a programme of ethnic cleansing – driving out the Palestinian population. 

The Nakba (meaning “catastrophe” in Arabic) had begun. Palestinians were beginning to pay a horrendous price for European anti-Semitism. 

The most infamous incident was a massacre of between two and three hundred Palestinian civilians, men, women and children, at the village of Deir Yassin in April 1948.

In his book “The Revolt: The Story of the Irgun,” the leader of the Irgun, and later Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin wrote: “The massacre was not only justified, but there would not have been a state of Israel without the ‘victory’ at Deir Yassin.”

Two weeks after Deir Yassin Israeli militias hurled explosives into the crowded Arab quarter of Haifa. Barrel bombs filled with petrol and dynamite were rolled down the alleys and created a chaotic inferno while loudspeakers of the Jewish militia broadcast recordings of screaming and shrieks of terror and in Arabic cries of “Run for your lives. The Jews are using poison gas”. Less than a week later the same tactics were used to empty Jaffa.

About 250,000 Palestinians fled or were driven out at gunpoint before Israel declared independence in May 1948. After independence five neighbouring Arab countries mounted a token military operation against the newly formed Israeli state in part to try to protect the Palestinian population.

Israeli propaganda portrays this as 600,000 Jews surrounded by 70 million hostile Arabs but the reality was quite different. 

A mere 15,000 Arab soldiers with 22 light tanks and ten spitfire aircraft faced 30,000 highly trained Israeli soldiers, another 32,000 second line troops plus 50,000 police and “home guard” personnel. 

The leadership of Arab countries was as corrupt and useless then as it is today across most of the Arab world. In Palestine it was a one-sided conflict and by the time international pressure was brought to bear Israel had taken over 80% of Palestine including most of the productive land.

Israeli propaganda tries to argue that the reason Palestinians left their land and homes was because neighbouring Arab countries told them to leave in preparation for an Arab invasion of Palestine. This is untrue and was debunked by Israeli historian Benny Morris in the 1980s. Palestinians were driven out by Israeli terrorism in what leading Zionist Chaim Weizmann described as “a miraculous simplification of our tasks”.

In all between 750,000 and one million Palestinians fled or were driven out of Palestine at gunpoint.

Every day since 1948 Palestinians have had more land stolen, more houses bulldozed, more civilians harassed, attacked and killed, and more Palestinian children murdered with absolute impunity when Palestinians have resisted. For 70 years Palestinians have experienced unbridled brutality. And every day since 1948 Israel has refused to allow Palestinian refugees to return to their land and homes in Palestine.

So while Israel was set up under the United Nations Charter, every day since then it has been in violation of the United Nations Charter, in violation of International law, in violation of United Nations Security Council and General Assembly resolutions.

A deep-seated racism is always at the heart of colonialism and Israel is no exception. 

“The way to deal with Palestinians is to beat them up. Not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until its unbearable”. These were the words of Benjamin Netanyahu. Imagine if anyone said the same words but swapped the word Palestinians for the word Jews in the sentence. We would all condemn that as anti-Semitism. So why is there no outcry from western politicians or supporters of Israel when Israeli political leaders spew racist hatred on the Palestinian population?

Former Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Dayan said in 1967 after taking over the West Bank that Palestinians should be made “to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave – and we shall see where this process leads”. 

Palestinians are told repeatedly they should accept defeat and go to Jordan or Egypt or any other Arabic-speaking country in the region.

What Moshe Dayan and Netanyahu are saying to Palestinians would be the equivalent of New Zealand Europeans saying to Maori “We’ve taken over this land now so bugger off and go back to Polynesia –– and if you want to stay here without citizenship or rights we will brutalise you if you dare to resist.”.

On the positive side there is condemnation of the Israeli government from courageous Jewish groups and individuals inside Israel and around the world. They speak out against the violent, vicious, racist, apartheid policies of the Israeli state and are an inspiration to all of us.

Meanwhile Palestinians who survived the Nakba and stayed in Israeli controlled areas of Palestine have citizenship of the state of Israeli today and they have seats in the Israeli parliament.

BUT they suffer under an apartheid system of laws which discriminate against them. As George Orwell might have said “All Israeli citizens are equal but some are more equal than others” or as Netanyahu puts it “Israel is not a state for all its citizens”.

If you are a Palestinian citizen of Israel you are exempt from military service in the Israeli Defence Force – in fact you are banned from military service – and because you have not served you are denied state assistance in a whole range of areas. If you are a Palestinian citizen of Israel you are a second class citizen. You are living in an apartheid state.

Who is the international expert on apartheid? Archbishop Desmond Tutu. This Nobel Peace prize winner says the situation is worse for Palestinians than it was for black South Africans under apartheid.

Tutu says “I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing in the Holy Land that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under apartheid.”

When he is asked what the world should do about Israel’s discriminatory policies he says “name it apartheid and boycott!”.

Most importantly for us Tutu says: “We could not have achieved our democracy without the help of people around the world, who through….non-violent means, such as boycotts and disinvestment, encouraged their governments and other corporate actors to reverse decades-long support for the apartheid regime.”

It’s important to remember in this context that Israel, the UK and the US were the three last ditch supporters of white South Africa at the United Nations in the face of international condemnation of South Africa’s apartheid system. The situation in Israel was such a close parallel to South Africa that Israel was a natural ally. Back in the 1960s White South African President Hendrik Verwoerd used to say “Why is everyone picking on South Africa? Israel has the same system we have, so why are we being singled out?”. Good question.

So how do Israel leaders get away with these racist policies?

One important way is by the trick!

Speaking in 2002 former Israeli Education Minister, Shulamit Aloni, was interviewed on the US site Democracy Now and the interviewer asked:

“Often when there is dissent expressed in the United States against policies of the Israeli government, people here are called anti-Semitic. What is your response to that as an Israeli Jew?

Ms Aloni’s response was: “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic. … and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”

We see this “trick” used in New Zealand and around the world frequently and we will see it used tonight. 

In fact Israel has given up trying to win the argument for a Zionist state. They know its indefensible. So their focus has shifted to trying to shut down criticism of Israel. But throwing around claims of anti-Semitism like confetti against BDS supporters will not stop the struggle for Palestinian rights.


What should New Zealand’s response be? It should be based on three things:

Firstly, we must recognise that the so-called two-state solution is no longer possible. It has been buried under illegal Israeli settlements. The solution lies in a single, secular state where all ethnic and religious rights are protected in a democratic constitution which give equal rights to everyone. 

Secondly, we have a developing understanding of colonisation and its devastating effects on Maori. We have begun to move forward on this as a country, but we have a long way to go.

Thirdly, New Zealanders have a proud record of standing up against racism and injustice. We took action in support of black South Africans suffering under apartheid and we can take action NOW to support Palestinians suffering under Israeli apartheid.

New Zealanders must demand: the end of Israeli military occupation of Palestinian land, the right of return for Palestinians expelled by Israel and the end of apartheid laws discriminating against Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship and…

New Zealanders must support Palestinian calls for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. This means, for example, ending New Zealand Superfund investments in Israel, closing the Israeli embassy in Wellington and boycotting Israeli goods.

The fevered attempts by Israel to close down the BDS movement shows just how crucial it is in bringing pressure for change in Palestine.

We can multiply our effectiveness in doing these things by working together – so join your local PSNA group.

I want to finish with an appeal to the New Zealand Jewish community. 

I want you to consider the Star of David. For thousands of years it has been a positive symbol of Jewish religious and cultural practices. A symbol of the deep, rich family and community values that are at the heart of Jewish communities. 

Now I want you to consider what Israel has done with the Star of David on the Israeli flag. Successive Israeli leaders have transformed it into a symbol of colonisation, a symbol of subjugation, a symbol of military aggression and occupation, a symbol of apartheid, a symbol of racism and a symbol of brutal oppression.

I appeal to Jewish communities across this country to reclaim the Star of David from the Zionists’ ideology and rehabilitate it as a symbol of Jewish values, a symbol of religious and ethnic tolerance, a symbol of compassion and a symbol of pride. A symbol emphasising the mystical Hebrew concept of tikkun olam “healing or restoring the world”.

This means insisting that the New Zealand Jewish Council rename itself the New Zealand Zionist Council. It also means helping a new Jewish Council to emerge with the values needed to support freedom and justice for all peoples – beginning with freedom for Palestinians in the land they have lived in for thousands of years.

We know that this will be difficult, but you also need to know that across New Zealand there are many allies in the fight for Palestinian freedom and in the fight against the rise of anti-Semitism. 

I personally have been privileged to work alongside many Jews who were key players in the struggle against apartheid in South Africa and who have supported and applauded our efforts in the struggle for Palestinian human rights.

Some of these courageous Jews have been Holocaust survivors themselves. 

They recognise racism, they recognise apartheid and they utterly reject the Zionist ideology.

Our group, the Palestine Solidarity Network Aotearoa, will be with you at the forefront in fighting anti-Semitism. We hope that more of you will be at the forefront in the struggle to liberate Palestine.

Kia ora koutou. I look forward to your questions.




  1. A comprehensive justification. It will not be answered with such even-handed argument, I suspect.
    Indeed, the Nazis murdered roughly 6 million Jews. It should perhaps be mentioned that they murdered roughly 7 million German citizens when you count up the Communists, Socialists, Homosexuals, Handicapped (do I have to say ‘Disabled’ instead?), Gypsies, etc.. The Nazis were a nasty fanatical lot. How many Slavs did they slaughter? No records were kept of Russian POWs gunned down at Dachau, if my memory of reading the articles in a room there are correct.
    Now Israel’s risk is that in Palestine it seems to be looking more like the Nazis than the hard-done-by Jewish race it used to be in Europe during the 1940s.
    The star of David after World War 2 was seen as a symbol of a poor, oppressed people. Modern Israel risks reversing that image, and making the Star of David not so different to the Swastika.

  2. Kia ora John,
    You make reference to Israel being set up up by UN charter.
    My understanding is that the partitioning of Palestine was recommended by UN General Assemly vote. The General Assembly does not have the legal mandate to partition, this could be done only by Security Council consent. No Security Council vote was ever taken.
    This means that the self titled state of Israel is legally illegitemate.
    Correct me if I am wrong.

    • You are wrong. Israel was created along with the Arab states by the League of Nations, before the UN was established. The land that the Ottoman Empire controlled was carved up and Israel was one of those parts. The UN, Article 80, accepts the League of Nations resolutions and treaties etc and so Israel is as legitimate as any of the Arab nations.
      Though, you are correct that the 1947 UN partition plan was just a suggestion (UN resolutions are not international laws). The Jews accepted the partition idea and the Arabs rejected the idea of sharing any part of the land with Jews.

      • Heather,
        I was of the understanding that the League of Nations in their arrogant carving up of the Middle East created Palestine not Israel.

        • The League of Nations created the Mandate of Palestine, which the British controlled, comprising modern-day Jordan and Israel. The British also took control of the Mandate of Mesopotamia, which became Iraq. There was also a Mandate of Syria and a Mandate of Lebanon, which the French controlled and included parts of modern-day Turkey.

          The part of the Mandate of Palestine that was not given to the Royal family of the Hashemites to create Jordan was renamed Israel in 1948 when the British ended its rule and independence was declared. The Mandate of Palestine was always intended to be a home for the Jews, recognising their indigeneity. And in the early 20th C, the Jews were known as “Palestinians” (eg the Jerusalem Post was originally the Palestine Post – a Zionist publication).

  3. Hi John,
    I see you’re calling for an end to New Zealand Superfund investments in Israel, closure of the Israeli embassy in Wellington and a boycott of Israeli goods. These are all worthy aims that I agree with, but I think you’ve missed one.

    The previous National government opened the country’s Working Holiday scheme to Israel. At present, New Zealand is giving young Israelis the right to live and work here after they’ve finished their 2 year compulsory military service (and unchecked harassment of Palestinian citizens). This should definitely be stopped.

    • Leaders of the NZ Trade Union movement, which Mr Minto is involved in, curse Israel for alleged crimes and call for a boycott of Israelis, yet they are happy to host Indonesian delegates without even raising the actual crimes of Indonesia against West Papua. I’m sure many union members (that pay union fees) would be shocked by the anti-Israel sentiment of the leaders and of their gross hypocrisy.

      Similarly, no one is suggesting that China shouldn’t exist because they are actually putting Uighur Muslims into concentration camps and actually occupying Tibet; or that Turkey is illegitimate because it really occupies Cyprus, for example.

      Hi David

      I could take your diatribe apart sentence by sentence, but just a few facts.

      Minto has not worked for the trade union movement for many years. But to suggest that Indonesian unionists who came over did not discuss the human rights abuses of their own country is complete nonsense. Not everything gets into the media.

      He and many others have been involved in the West Papua rights movement in Aotearoa for many years along with numerous other human rights issues, I think you will find he is aware of all of the issues you mention. Do you think he should be doing everything – Morocco’s hold over Western Sahara, the plight of the Kurds.

      Our country does not speak out on many many issues for trade reasons and I am sure you are aware of that as well. Pathetic reason as I see it.

      Palestine will be one state in my lifetime I am sure.

  4. I agree about a secular unitary state except for it not being possible. Powerful economies make everything right and weak ones everything wrong, but we are probably at the end of the former. Fraid it’s one or the other and I’m for the underdog original people dispossessed as you say. That Zionists may mistake themselves for that description means they don’t understand the passage of centuries rather than decades. I’m for the underdogs. Let’s not liberal it all up.

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