Democrats swing and miss again at Trump with Ukrainian telephone conversation – why impeachment probably won’t work



Firstly, let’s acknowledge the phone call between the Ukrainian President and Donald Trump is outrageous. The ease with which Trump just demands executive level efforts against petty beefs he’s running is gasp inducing and a total abuse of power. And you could legally argue he’s breached some laws, probably, but after the whole Russia-hacked-the-election-and-Mueller-will-nail-him-fiasco, anything short of actual footage of Trump eating a baby just isn’t going to fly here.

Democrats have gone all in for an impeachment because their own base are so righteously furious with this orange fascist that they are figuratively being driven up the wall.

The problem is that even if they manage to get a majority in the House of Representatives (which is unlikely seeing as some representatives won close wins in Trump states) this will fail in the Senate where it requires a 2/3rds majority to pass.

Republicans may be sickened by what Trump has done to their Party but they are too cowardly to openly challenge him and his support base.

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By focusing on impeaching Trump for their own base they burn news oxygen to offer those disaffected former Democratic voters who elected Trump last time with an alternative to vote for them this time.

This is a pretty risky strategy from a Party that still doesn’t understand why Trump won in the first place.

You counter the negative populism of Trump with positive populism, you win those working class voters back by acknowledging the economic pain globalisation has caused and offer them free education and health instead. You don’t try to remove their Presidential choice and in doing so damn them for that choice.

I despise Trump and everything he represents, but he won because of Democratic incompetence, and he looks set to win it again because they don’t seem to have learnt anything.

I hope I’m wrong.


  1. By adopting this strategy the Democrats can avoid coming up with any economic policies that challenge the status quo. This is their primary focus and wasting energy on geeky political stunts will keep them fully occupied right up to the election and is likely to drown out the current buzz around progress candidates like Warren and Sanders. I predict that this is going to lose them the election because it is going to illuminate the financial corruption of former Democratic vice president Joe Biden.

  2. Just compare Trump’s call with what Biden openly did to influence their puppet president to dismiss the prosecutor investigating the company his son was receiving huge fees for directing. He bragged about it so there’s no question about whether he did so or not. If people can’t see the extreme hypocrisy of the democrat’s stance on this there’s no hope for the human race.
    Nancy Pelosi has wisely resisted impeaching Trump because she knows it will backfire, but with the complete fiasco of the Mueller investigation the cupboard is bare and she has accepted the majority’s wishes. But this is desperation. The only possible reason they could embark on such a forlorn project is that they have this and far more to hide that a Hillary administration would have safely buried. The establishment republicans would not have objected much either as they are all just as corrupt as each other, but Trump might have his prosecutors investigate anything if he ever gets the freedom of any previous president.
    He’s horrible ! But he still might drain the swamp eventually. And this impeachment fiasco is a gift to him in respect of securing his re election. Especially if Biden is the opposition candidate.
    D J S

    • David Stone: “….what Biden openly did to influence their puppet president to dismiss the prosecutor investigating the company his son was receiving huge fees for directing. He bragged about it so there’s no question about whether he did so or not.”

      Exactly. A member of this family has observed as follows: “The whole reason that Burisma hired the coked-up moron (Biden jnr, in other words) was to protect the scheme against official interference. Shokin (Ukrainian prosecutor, in case readers don’t know) didn’t realise that the worthless sons of powerful American senators have more clout than Ukrainian presidents.”

      About sums it up.

    • Sometimes I wonder if the Democrats are part of some insane conspiracy designed to ensure Trump gets elected. I mean, they actually seem to be accusing Trump of doing what Biden did – Trump voters are going to go beserk!

  3. “Firstly, let’s acknowledge the phone call between the Ukrainian President and Donald Trump is outrageous. The ease with which Trump just demands executive level efforts against petty beefs he’s running is gasp inducing and a total abuse of power.”

    Well: hold the bus. A US president behaving as if another polity is his fiefdom. So: nothing new here, really.

    And the US has been up to its fetlocks in the Ukraine since independence: colour revolutions, actual violent putsch, military aid to shore up the Ukraine’s defences against a phantom enemy (actually, the citizenry of the Donbass; not that anyone in the west cares a damn).

    As usual,the msm is carefully ignoring the actual story here:

    And this:

    “As for the Biden case it was Joe’s Biden big mouth that brought the issues back into light. In January 2018 he gave a talk at the Council of Foreign Relations and explained how he directly threatened (video) to withhold money to blackmail the Ukraine into firing a prosecutor general who was seen as corrupt:

    And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

    So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

    Biden did that at a time when his son lobbied for the Ukrainian company Burisma who the prosecutor he wanted fired investigated (or maybe blackmailed):

    U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

    The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

    There is no direct evidence that Joe Biden told the Ukrainians to stop the investigation into Burisma. But it was not difficult for the Ukrainians to figure out that ending the investigation into the company that Joe Biden’s son worked for would help them with further requests to him.”

    I’m not sure what the situation is at present, but recently, Joe Biden was the front runner in the Dem primary contest. The view in this household is that, were Biden to get the Dem nomination, and were he to go on to win the next presidential election, the yanks would be getting no more than they deserve.And the entertainment from afar would be immense. See this:

    The kindest thing to be said about Biden is that he’s – er – past it.

  4. Good post Martyn. You hit a lot of nails with this.

    The level of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) among suburban liberals right around the western world is hard to understand from a purely pragmatic perspective. Apart from the fact that the guy has an annoying manner, what exactly has he done wrong? Nothing substantive that I can see!
    I vote for politicians whose polices get the results I want regardless of appearance and style, and from an American perspective Trump’s record is mostly good:

    >Lowest unemployment in decades
    > Lower taxes
    >Historical lowest Latino and black unemployment
    >A strongly growing economy
    >Massive deregulation in areas where bureaucracy was holding back growth (we need some of that here)
    >An attempt at sorting out the mess on their southern border, which despite the endless media beat-up was an inherited problem going back decades. (With Big Business fighting back hard because they don’t want the flow of cheap illegal labour stemmed because it undermines American wages)
    >Addressing the trade imbalance with China (which is a de facto war by the Chinese on the west and long overdue for correction)
    >Tackling the North Korea issue with significant progress if not a complete solution
    > A strong reticence to starting another war in the middle east, despite pressure from the war hawks

    What’s not to like?
    Maybe the real problem with the Democrats is that he’s got the back of the US working class – a thing the Democrats claim to do but never have.

    As regards the Biden Ukraine thing, ALL political parties do this. When John Key became the leader of the National Party, Labour sent people over to Sydney and New York to dig dirt on him (and came back with nothing) it’s normal practice and it’s healthy: If there’s dirt to be dug, voters need to know about it.

    • you are too kind
      Labour threatened to withhold military aid to Australia in exchange for dirt on Key …when did that happen ? Trump the peacemaker ?.really ?…Iran ? Israel ?.telling critics to go back to their own country ? he’s got the back of the US working class ? jeezus’re confused

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