Soooooooooooo.
Let’s get this straight.
Simon Bridges has come out and effectively said he would support the cops dragging Ihamātao protesters off and Mike Hosking is cheering him in this action?
Mike Hosking: As Government panics about Ihumātao, Simon Bridges starts to look prime ministerial
If Simon Bridges was Prime Minister: ‘I would do three things’ to fix Ihumātao standoff
R-i-g-h-t.
When the pigs tried to force protesters off the land on Monday night, what happened? Social media came alive and thousands descended, it was that massive swelling of protester numbers that forced the cops to stand down because they couldn’t control the situation.
What Bridges & Hosking are calling for is the the filth to end this by dragging everyone off the land, let’s just plot out what is going to happen if Bridges and Hosking get their way shall we?
Bridges orders the Police in, protestors flood social media with images of filth violence, this generates tens of thousands of angry supporters to descend on mass, Police can’t control the numbers, Bridges freaks out, sends in the Army and starts a civil bloody war.
The pigs in NZ were formed out of the mounted constabulary whose first task was to bash Māori in early colonial NZ, to watch them back to their original purpose should sicken NZers, but it won’t. There is a dark part of Settler Nation psyche in NZ that must crush indigenous people because the basic core of our economic success to date revolves around stealing Māori land and never paying for it.
A new generation of activists, who understand the consequences of colonialism, who understand the injustice of Maori losing 95% of their land in less than a century and who refuse to accept the pittance in compensation that their elders have agreed to will not be quietly dragged from the land they guard.
If Bridges and Hosking have their way, they would demand Police remove the protesters, the protests would swell beyond the ability of the local pigs to control and Bridges would need to send in the army with Hosking cheering from the sideline.
Why do rich men want a race war in NZ so much?
Jacinda is the one showing real leadership here. She sent in her Māori MPs, they have negotiated for the arrival of the Māori King so that Māori can make a decision by Māori, for Māori within a Māori context. Once that is settled, I’m pretty sure Jacinda will visit then, but the madness of forcing a physical confrontation the way Hosking & Bridges want should be crucified by the media who should be demanding follow up questions of ‘and what would happen then Mr Bridges?’.
Leadership demands foresight, Simon Bridges is showing none at all, and as for Hosking, shouldn’t this prick be behind a Herald Paywall?
‘Simple’ S’o’imin said protestors should go home, and that the Prime Minister should not be involved. I propose that he goes home, as the right to protest is ours, and when some greedy buggers want to steal the land from under your feet, you should be fighting back. Once again Bridges and Hosking prove they have no SOUL. Why on earth either of them are allowed to publicise their ignorant views is quite beyond me.
The PM should not be involved? Christ, Bridges needs to make his mind up. First, he bags her for frolicking in Tokelau when she’s supposed to be here dealing with Ihamatao, now he says she shouldn’t be involved. Bridges has as much chance of looking Prime Ministerial as Hosking has of looking like sentient life.
violence begets violence and these two one eyed bias wankers are inciting violence
Time to put the quality content Hosking produces behind the paywall.
I have been thinking that perhaps there is evidence that Due Diligence was not sufficiently completed, perhaps it was foreseeable that the plurality of views and interests orbiting the issue would generate the clash. If you subscribe to that, then you move on to questioning the application of Police resources to defending a negligently acting and already rich corporate actor, Fletchers. But why should we back up those gamblers? Bad investment decisions do happen. Maybe this whole country
The other thing about potential civil conflicts involving the Police and Army is the obviously volatile fissibility of those institutions in the event of a civil breakdown. Very likely to go critical and chain react if mishandled by novice nuclear scientists like Bridges and Hosking. Needs the coolant rods. Fonzy approach? is bad science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP1cZ3rbkRg
Unearthing Ihumātao’s past
https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/dave-veart-unearthing-ihumataos-
past/?fbclid=IwAR2qlAbZNwk1zCJi5E3W9L2MOf9aKsIPL7XbyTa92ZXfprwVgrfWzZIX2cA
Everything that is wrong with New Zealand- just listen to Bridges and the media arm of the National Party, Mike Hosking.
Why do rich men want a race war in NZ so much.. duh, keeps business on as usual, keeps the cheap workforce from overseas in action while denouncing any racists that don’t agree with it!
If you can get Maori and Pakeha busy fighting each other, they don’t notice their ain’t much left in the public to fight over anymore, the cupboard is bare, and getting barer and NZ is a very attractive place under global warming scenario for other nationalities to profit from – from water to sand to agriculture to pensions to social welfare and it’s more remote location works in a worse case situation from plague to famine. What’s even better is that NZ gives most of it’s resources away very cheaply to multinationals you just have to follow a process and ‘donate’ to the right people!
In the last census 2018
” At the press conference it was announced that iwi affiliation data would not be provided in census results.”
“Of the traditional method for census collection, 83.3 per cent of the country were counted. The result was lesser for Māori, at 68.2 per cent, and Pacific peoples, at 65.1 per cent. ”
Te Mana Raraunga, the Māori Data Sovereignty Network, said it was an “appalling” result.
“The very low Māori response rates mean that a significant share of Māori data in the final census dataset has been pulled from alternative sources.
“While that leads to improved coverage rates, it raises important issues about equity, trust and confidence.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114951306/census-2018-chief-statistician-liz-macpherson-has-resigned
An alternate theory is that there are less and less Maori and PI in NZ and those that live here, are so transient that they are not even able to be counted in a census, don’t vote for the same reasons they are not recorded in the census, which of course is useful when the more marginalised are not counted in the census because then you don’t have to deal with what that actually means and all the faulty data which is certainly not just restricted to Maori – the entire census should be redone but they are waiting until 2023, so a bit too late by then if they found very alarming statistics of what is going on.
Also as usual picking on some fall person to take the blame of the census the ‘leadership’ who were in charge are again found not to be accountable, you have to wonder shouldn’t it be the ‘leadership’ who run the management side to be at fault, not rely on the statisticians who apparently have to do all the work, while doing the managers jobs too and advising the leaders who apparently are babies in all this decision making.
“The review found Statistics New Zealand faced problems in the lead up to Census 2018, and there was an “optimism bias” within the organisation that meant key decisions were not raised with senior leadership.”
Yes, a mystery that Mike’s right wing trash isn’t behind the paywall. I wonder why. Perhaps in the interest of Herald’s msm owners to perpetuate this narrative free of charge.
Because shit is free
When it comes to the Wannabe National Party politician Mike Hosking…. well we just got to accept he is a prat. The National Party are so expert at attracting prats within their ministerial ranks. They have quite a track record that the wannabe poltical prats like Mike Hosking just have to live up to.
So lets all praise Mike Hosking for making the NZ National Party look like a party of prats.
Praise heaped also on the opportunistic and self-serving Simon(or as I call him nowadays Slime-on)Bridges. He told the protestors at Ihamātao to “Go home”. The thing is the land that the protestors are on IS THEIR HOME.
It does seem when there is an election at stake and Bridges depends upon the Maori vote then in his opportunistic and self-serving ways he will claim he is part Maori and knows what Maori around Aotearoa want or don’t want eg. he(Bridges)will claim Maori do not want a Coalition government comprising of Labour, NZ First and the Greens.
But if we NZers looked at the alternative eg like a previous National “Coalition” government then it surprises me now why Bridges is so stupidly obsessed with claiming National can be any better. National never gave a toss even from 2008 through to 2017 for Maori or any NZer especially those on low income jobs that many Maori are in. In fact, and quoting Bill English, NZers(and that includes Maoris)are living beyond their means and MUST experience financial cutbacks. The track record of National in say education, health and land claims by Maori leaves alot to be desired. But Simon Bridges conveniently forgets ALL the SHORT-COMINGS by the previous National government. He paints himself as perfection when reality is more obvious i.e he is self-serving through and through just like National are self-serving through and through.
The result now with the endless barrage of ridiculous articles by Mike Hosking and various other biased to National so-called journalists is that thanks to the OTT articles heaping adulation on National that it has completely switched me off ever wanting to vote National. The over satuation of biased towards National journos in the tabloid NZ herald also results in me switching off reading the herald. If this is my opinion then it would be wonder as to how many feel the same way.
But what is equally surprising is the Mike Hosking Maniac rants on the herald website are not in a paywall. That is truly suspect. But then the tabloid NZ herald is in the NZ National Party pocket. To give the illusion of democracy the feeble minded public(in the National Party viewpoint)must have ‘free’ access to even a lunatic like Mike Hosking’s insane articles.
We should never forget that the NZ Army and services in general are manned by thousands of Maori… so it might be very dangerous to ask the military… to put down a ‘Maori uprising…’ because it could well end up with a Maori take over of the military power…especially if Maori military individuals join forces with their brothers and sisters…many of whom are ex-military…yes it could be very interesting indeed…we shall have to wait and see if the [criminal] negative attitude of Mike Hosking / Bridges / Winston Peters combination creates the climate that leads to revolution and change.
Since arriving In NZ 12 years ago, I have never voted National and almost certainly never will. Bearing in mind the incipient global warming problem, National is not even appropriate to be in parliament at all, so it can be assumed that I will concur with all the left-wing comments mentioned here, right? Wrong. I am horrified by the sheer obtuseness of them. They only make sense if you are prepared to sacrifice this government at the next election, leaving NZ with a National Government for perhaps the next 9 years to lead us through the intricacies of global warming.
I wrote the following comment about a week ago.
“People need to be wary about this Ihumatao problem. It should be remembered that Don Brash’s Orewa Speech nearly won him an election. The average Kiwi is not a deep thinker and is more racist than he likes to think he is. What he sees is a large tract of land on which hundreds of houses will be built. Houses that could be available to families sleeping in cars or shop doorways. They hear our beloved PM say that no houses are to be built on the Reserve “until the issues are resolved” which could mean one day, some day, maybe never, and then ‘run off to Takelau’. They see Maori turn up in their hundreds to take their cut. They hear Hone Hanewera talk in terms of civil disobedience and it sounds like ‘blood on the streets”. And they are anxious. It all sounds familiar and they dont like it.
Notice that the Opposition is not taking sides. All they are doing is stirring up trouble …. and that ‘s all they need to do. I cant think of anything that the Government can do without upsetting probably half the population. Not long ago the next election looked like a shoe in. Now its anyone’s”.
A week on and my fears are already being realised. Simon Bridges has come down off the fence. I saw his incendiary comments (about the protestors needing to go home) on TVNZ 6pm. and he seemed very confident. I wondered why. By his remarks he has lost all his Maori votes at the next election. This can only mean that he is sure he will pick up a lot more votes than that from the despised white Kiwis.
My guess is that in the last few weeks National have been conducting opinion polls in NZ and they are showing a big swing to National. Be prepared for a shocking next Colmar-Brunton poll. The public are becoming frustrated with Maori obstructionism. The options are: houses for families living in cars or untouchable Maori “sacred” sites; a won election or a lost one.
Very well said Dennis, totally agree with you.
Having lived my entire 55 years in N.Z. I think you’ll find that it is immigrants that the public of N.Z. are becoming frustrated with not Maori obstructionism. Not the immigrants themselves but the right wing Governments that believe they are the drivers of the economy. The Colmar Brunton poll will never ever see Bridges anything but a dog barking at parked cars.
You are making a virtue out of your living longer in NZ than I have, Bert. How trite! Just wait for the next poll and we will see who is right
PLUS 100 Burt
Some relevant points made here with regards to the high likelihood of large parts of the Army and even the Police defecting as the civil unrest evolves into civil war.
The Army is aware of this likelihood and has been training with foreign troops for civil war scanario’s in this country.
The Police are also aware of the advantages of having large numbers of migrants in their ranks.
The only way for the Crown to crush rising resistance against it now is to allow a civil war and then make use of the additional State powers such as Martial Law to engage in violent suppression of political dissidents.
I personally think that the Crown is intending on artificially creating a civil war if a genuine one is not forthcoming.
It has already done this in the 18th century and has a history of this type of conduct so as far as i am concerned,it is just a matter of time.
This is why i advise people not to discount the possibility of serious civil disorder and even open civil war here.
It has happened once before and was mis labeled as land wars,which led to illegal confiscations like at Ihumatao,which has led us to today.
Since the Crown controls the Law Courts,legal options are limited in a campaign against it.
This is how many arrive at the conclusion that civil war may in the end be the only option left to redress the grievances of the past.
I am sure that the Government of Ao/Nz could avoid this negative outcome if it tried hard,but i am not sure if they are legally allowed to put the interests of the people first given that all MP’s have sworn an Oath to the Queen of England.
This is why i say in the interests of transparency and social harmony that the Crown and the State should be separated in the same way the Churches had to be separated from the State due to ongoing issues of corruption.
Either we the people control our Government,or the Queen does,it cannot be both…
Duel governance has been in favour of the Crown,not the common people.
Some relevant points made in this blog with regards to the high likelihood of large parts of the Army and even the Police defecting as the civil unrest evolves into civil war.
The Army is aware of this likelihood and has been training with foreign troops for civil war scanario’s in this country.
The Police are also aware of the advantages of having large numbers of migrants in their ranks.
The only way for the Crown to crush rising resistance against it now is to allow a civil war and then make use of the additional State powers such as Martial Law to engage in violent suppression of political dissidents.
I personally think that the Crown is intending on artificially creating a civil war if a genuine one is not forthcoming.
It has already done this in the 18th century and has a history of this type of conduct so as far as i am concerned,it is just a matter of time.
This is why i advise people not to discount the possibility of serious civil disorder and even open civil war here.
It has happened once before and was mis labeled as land wars,which led to illegal confiscations like at Ihumatao,which has led us to today.
Since the Crown controls the Law Courts,legal options are limited in a campaign against it.
This is how many arrive at the conclusion that civil war may in the end be the only option left to redress the grievances of the past.
I am sure that the Government of Ao/Nz could avoid this negative outcome if it tried hard,but i am not sure if they are legally allowed to put the interests of the people first given that all MP’s have sworn an Oath to the Queen of England.
This is why i say in the interests of transparency and social harmony that the Crown and the State should be separated in the same way the Churches had to be separated from the State due to ongoing issues of corruption.
Either we the people control our Government,or the Queen does,it cannot be both…
Duel governance has been in favour of the Crown,not the common people.
That’s a threat wat those 2clowns said. Wen we th people say things like that boom we get in th shit and get arrested..
Again, one of your best writings Martyn (though I wouldn’t use abuse terms like “filth” and “pigs”, unhelpful and the sort of commentary more common to old Whaleoil posters)
It is an indictment on the msm that they haven’t challenged Bridges on his gung ho comments. It is a major failing on their part that they haven’t asked the simple question that you did: “AND WHAT HAPPENS THEN, MR BRIDGES?”
Hosking is simply an irresponsible bigot
Bridges is a desperare politician deperate for power. That is dangerous
the Greens have been in opposition for so long they often seem to forget when they critize the police or social agencies they are the power behind these people so they look very hypocritical and I am sure those working at the coal face are angry and feel unsupported.
The struggle at Ihumatao will succeed through patience, calm determination and a sound kaupapa. In my view angry posts on TDB referring to “pigs” and “filth” will not help.
Nor does it help to accept the government’s line that this will be “a decision by Māori, for Māori”. The kaupapa is quite clear. This is a decision in which all people have a voice, and it will be for the good of all people, including those who serve in the New Zealand Police and First Security.
The decision will be made “in a Maori context”, which is right and proper, but no one is excluded from the discussions, and everyone without exception is encouraged to play their part in shaping the final decision .
“Whakaaro pai ki nga tangata katoa”.
Warren Tucker believed that it might profit the regime to provoke civil violence with kaitiaki over land rights. He was wrong of course, and his abjectly failed attempt cost the state dearly. Simon Bridges knows the history of Tucker’s miscalculations, and I would be very surprised if he decided he could apply a similar strategy with greater success.
The Crown and its supporters will do all they can to quash the popular resistance at Ihumatao. But I suggest that a civil war is nowhere on their agenda, not least because it would be unwinnable for the Crown.
I agree with Geoff when he wrote, “The struggle at Ihumatao will succeed through patience, calm determination and a sound kaupapa. In my view angry posts on TDB referring to “pigs” and “filth” will not help.
Nor does it help to accept the government’s line that this will be “a decision by Māori, for Māori”.
All this is true, but the problem is when the situation gets out of hand…and we have all seen the attitude of police and the military in the US when lead by idiots like Trump etc, can anyone tell the difference between Trump and Peters or Bridges for example. Peters is spending money like it is going out of fashion on US and Israeli weapons…but the people living in cars or on the streets that are being ripped off daily by a system geared to mainly support the well off and ignore the real creaters of wealth…the working class should never forget that the working class make up 90% of our military and police force…together they can change the face of our nation…from one of greed to one of meeting the NEEDS of all people. Come on Labour stop following Roger Douglas myths and lead the change…forget Fletchers and your dreams based on Liberalism crap and become a REAL party of the people…
Agree with you comments regarding “pigs” and “filth”. They are New Zealand Police. Not Blackwater mercinaries.
The 1993 land and road blockade on Matakana Island got Maori the ownership of 10,000 acres of land for free. The message went out the only way to negotiate with the Crown was seize the land. The Tauranga MP at that time was Winston Peters and his first cousin Howard Palmer was chairman of Ngai Te Rangi Iwi. The Maori screamed and demanded the return of the “sacred” land – and in Parliament and in the High Court their cries for justice was driven so hard they got that sacred land of Matakana Island back. Trouble is the Maori leadership put it in their own personal names and by 2007 they sold the lot making Winston’s cousin a multi millionaire – sure the tribe got nothing but the point is Maori got rich and that was the aim. So my advice is whatever Maori get out of the land claims on the Ihumātao protests, just make sure ownership goes in the right names.
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