As I have been pointing out, the friction we saw erupt on a Australian University Campus between pro China students and pro Hong Kong students was simply waiting to occur here in NZ.
And it has…
Hong Kong dispute over China’s extradition bill gets physical on University of Auckland campus
The University of Auckland is launching a formal investigation after three Chinese men were filmed clashing with protesters on campus who were against a controversial proposed extradition bill in Hong Kong.
University student Serena Lee, 27 said she was left “shocked and shaken” after the men pushed her to the ground in front of a Lennon Wall at the city campus in Auckland on Monday evening.
Video of the scuffle between those supporting the bill and those against it has been uploaded on YouTube and shared on social media platforms.
…now what does the University of Auckland do? We saw today AUT gutlessly cower to our Chinese Overlords by dumping an event commemorating the Tiananmen Square massacre, will the University of Auckland turn a blind eye to the assault of a female student on University property in case it also upsets our Chinese Overlords?
NZers do not appreciate the single minded love many Chinese students have for their totalitarian communist regime and won’t understand the level of force those pro-China students are prepared to use to champion their world view.
Let’s see where this goes.
It would be nice if you would stop calling the Chinese authoritarian capitalist dictatorship “communist”: you give Marxism a bad rap. Beyond that, all power to the Hong Kong democracy protesters.
‘Democracy’ my ass.
The vast majority of Hong Kong people actually are sick and tired of these troublemakers, waving around a union jack. Complete and utter uncle tom, running dog trash.
Including this idiotic Grandma Wong who waves here British colonial flag around openly at demonstrations: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/07/12/i-miss-colonial-times-hong-kong-protest-regular-grandma-wong-citys-uncertain-future/
This bitch now lives in Shenzhen, China, crosses the border everyday to wave her union jack and spit on the Chinese people, and then returns to China in the evening.
The point is this.
If China really was the totalitarian hellhole it is made out to be by the likes of Martyn, then no-way would this bitch be able to do what she does, and she would have been thrown in prison a long time ago, or worse.
The Western media are sowers of discord. And we all know from Dante’s inferno what their fate will be….
Pretty awful language Mark, you’re clearly biased. And have anger issues if your other comments are anything to go by. Not to mention issues with women.
Your point is ?
I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to work out that Mark does not come across as a nice person, who also is clearly troubled. They make no attempt to justify any kind of argument, it’s just abuse.
So the west is making a bargain basement version of heaven choc full of strippers and prostitutes while China try’s to make there own? Laughable.
Ugh. You really are a repugnant little mark. (Skid)
But worse! You’re a boring read.
Mark seems to be the People’s republics spokesperson on TDB.
As is John W.
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MARK, the bitch you refer if she lives in mainland china like you say will be detained and possibly missing sooner or later… once she’s gone are you willingly continue to defend China’s ‘freedom’ argument… might want to look at dissidents of Tibet, W China and other religious groups
yet communism is a repressive regime amassed with genocide, censorship and poverty. But I thought you far leftists were against poverty? Obviously not then.
Large scale migration has consequences currently, and for years to come.
Yeah, as if white people never get into ‘scuffles’
Chinese, and East Asians, in general are the most law abiding, least violent group in New Zealand
@Mark, they might be possibly be considered law abiding, least violent group because they don’t get prosecuted like other people for fear of repercussions and like the backdown of AUT, the backdown of NZ government on any human rights policy of China, the backdown against green policy to give more free water permits to Chinese companies, the legal situation for Chinese in NZ seems to be decidedly ‘relaxed’.
Here’s a few examples of ‘justice’ for Chinese in NZ, seems to be very very light, much lighter than any other nationality!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11837117
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11842563
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12077932
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114300644/cultural-mistake-led-to-touching-of-boy-at-changing-rooms-in-christchurch
It’ll be interesting to see what Ummigration NuZull does to if they happen to be study visas.
My guess is nothing, they will ignore the whole thing because they want to play both sides, aka kowtow to Mainland China, but also not look too biased.
This shit has to be stamped out before it gets worse!
to all commenters below who talks about China’s human rights. I bet you have not been to China – you wouldn’t be talking this way if you have. hence I suggest more international experience for some New Zealander, just so you don’t live in your own little world fantasizing how miserable Chinese people are.
100% correct. The fact is there is essentially complete freedom of travel within China, and anyone who has visited there will find some of the happiest smiliest friendliest people anywhere in the world, happy that they are making strides to eliminating poverty and able to help other developing countries do same.
That bitch fell over on purpose. She was out to make a scene. A provocative cunt.
[Apologies to all. This comment slipped past moderation. It has been viewable for over 24 hours so will stay up. Mark: any repeat of this sort of language will earn you a week’s leave of absence from this Forum. – Scarletmod]
I find your posts extremely informative Mark although possibly not in the way you are intending.
Can you enlighten us as to at what point China finally transitioned from Communism to National Socialism and outright fascism?
“Then another Chinese man continued speaking in Chinese, to which another Hong Kong student asked for it to be translated because he didn’t understand Mandarin.
The man that told the student “you are not human, you are a f**king pig so you cannot understand human language.””
Similar violent derogatory language to you Mark. Dehumanising the other is pure fascism.
Hardly an advertisement for Chinese’s utopia.
As you like to accuse “the west” , the thing about being brainwashed is you are so self deluded you dont even know you are.
Or you are the worst astroturfer ever.
Do you believe your own bullshit?
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So I take it I have not offended under any of those categories yet?
And just to preempt any action —calling a woman a ‘cunt’ is the equivalent of calling a man a ‘prick’
If the latter is not sexist, than neither is the former
Don’t be silly, Mark. There is no excuse for calling a woman a bitch; you do yourself no favours. Grow up.
For what it’s worth, Mark’s also been gracing The Standard with his diseased worldview. He seems to be little more than a professional troll who enjoys making inflammatory comments for shits and giggles. Or he’s a testosterone-addled 15-year-old who believes salty language makes him look big and clever. Or perhaps a refugee from Whaleslug, now that it’s collapsed under the weight of its own wretchedness. Worth an eye-roll and a weary sigh at best.
Mark’s comments should be gone then right?
Yeah but how will people at the top of NZ be able to afford their Crayfish and Caviar if China pulls their students out? some freedoms have got to go. If you are against it then that’s just racist man and Uni Equity will be informed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12254118
“In a video, one Chinese man was heard saying in Mandarin: “If you don’t like China, get out of China!””
Neo-colonialism, anyone? The racist Han Chinese dictatorship is the greatest human threat to the continuation of No Zealand as a country, second is the Aotearoa Liberation Army. Apparently many Han Chinese colonists believe that No Zealand is already part of China… ‘Mark’ is one of them… so are Gary Lin the slumlord and Jian Yang, the PRC spy 😉 etcetera etcetera
Well we have our own problems here with our own people but i always say to immigrants leave you baggage at the airport door. And it looks like we are paying for selling our education so we have an obligation to ensure all these visitors/students are safe no matter what. You take the money you look after the honey.
It has been clear for some time that political thought within the local Chinese diaspora is being actively coordinated. It would be hoped that the security services take time out from their spying on left wing political activists and the local Muslim community to monitor it. Since the University are quite happy to stifle events on campus so as not to offend potential customers it it likely this emboldened the attackers, having no doubt applied pressure there behind the scenes. Our politicians appear to be naive, gullible, stupid or all three if they think the long term goals of PRC are benign.
The Hong Kong female protester is very good at faking a slip/fall accident. It’s very obvious the Hong Kong Guy in green jumper dragged the Chinese student’s shoulder, and for somehow his shoulder touched the Hong Kong female student. It’s really pathetic to see university student has such poor quality. She has the right to protest but stop being a con-artists by faking a slip/fall accident.
Susan: “The Hong Kong female protester is very good at faking a slip/fall accident.”
Until today, I hadn’t seen the video of this incident. I note that the student with the white top and black jacket several times restrained another student beside him, who was getting quite upset. In my view, it looked as if the woman had slipped and overbalanced. And she certainly made the most of it, dramatically calling out for security. Classic drama queen stuff.
It looked to me like a fairly passionate disagreement, a clash of political viewpoints. Nothing wrong with that. I can understand the mainland Chinese students being a bit upset at the suggestion that HK isn’t part of China. It most certainly is. I heard one student speaking in Mandarin to the female student; she claimed to have no idea what he was saying. I find that disingenuous on her part: while Cantonese has traditionally been spoken in HK, that territory’s been part of the PRC for over 20 years now. I’m betting that Mandarin has made inroads there. In addition, they are dialects; from what I remember of my studies, they’re not completely mutually unintelligible.
And for those who fondly imagine that HK was a democracy when the Brits ran it: it definitely was not. I remember the run-up to its handover to the PRC, and the UK’s holier-than-thou insistence on the PRC establishing a local parliament. Many commentators at the time pointed out that the UK’d had a lot of years in which to establish democracy in HK, but hadn’t done so. HK was a colony, ruled directly from Westminster. The British were – and are – bloody hypocrites.
However. A relative (not Chinese) is a student at UoA. Yesterday afternoon, said relative received an e-mail – addressed to relative by name – and signed by Stuart McCutcheon, the VC. Here’s what was sent: presumably to every student on campus:
“I have been informed of recent disagreements and disputes on campus between students who have different views of the events in Hong Kong.
An incident on Monday led to what we consider to be a conduct issue, and the University is investigating it accordingly.
I have asked Campus Security to ensure that these situations do not allow the safety or security of any member of the University community to be placed at risk.
It is my expectation that all members of our community will respect our commitment to academic freedom and freedom of speech. This means that while people may have different opinions on a matter, they are expected to express those opinions in a manner that respects the rights and opinions of others.”
In my view, that’s creepy; it wouldn’t have happened in my day. As I pointed out, my relative isn’t Chinese and didn’t witness the incident in question. That message is designed to shut people up. So much for free speech and uni as critic and conscience of society.
“I’m betting that Mandarin has made inroads there. In addition, they are dialects; from what I remember of my studies, they’re not completely mutually unintelligible.”
You are right D’Esterre –my girlfriend is from Hong Kong and can get the gist of mandarin without serious study —-its sort of like Italian and Spanish —-if you understand one romance language its not a big leap to another. Particularly for anyone having lived in Hong kong since the handover.
However if one has not been exposed to much Mandarin etc then yes, it would be pretty unintelligible to a native Cantonese speaker (such as my grandmother who has passed on, and even my mother). But not to someone raised in an environment with mandarin songs, mandarin in the shops, in the movies, and bumping into people in Hong kong.
So yes, if it was 20 years ago what that girl claimed would be believable. Not now, particuarly if she has recently come from Hong Kong, where mandarin is spoken all around the place- —just go to Nathan road say.
D’Esterre, I’m fairly sure that McCutcheon is the VC who requires all research topics to be personally approved by him. This is enormously depressing for students and academics whose theses/research often arise from an idiosyncratic interest triggered by their own intellectual curiosity.
I think it a death blow for academic freedom in the university, another step backwards as neoliberalism tightens its grip on people, and hence yet another degree – pun intended – of dumbing us all down.
D’Esterre – I just googled Stuart McCutcheon and he’s worse than I thought –
he forbids staff to discuss – yes – discuss – talk – about certain issues.
I meant to check his credentials – but was diverted by alternative printed words. Vic’s VC is an animal nutritionist and might be well placed working up at Wellington Zoo – getting gumboots on the monkeys – and keeping off the backs of tigers.
Agree Susan!
In the video it is obvious the Hong Kong ho falls back as if she has touched 50000 volts hahahaha …..its not even good acting —-its so obvious—-a D-Grade actor.
What a fake fall.
You could have done better girl.
Argument is fine, but faking is disgusting.
from reddit:
“In the coming months and years as we grapple with this issue you’re going to hear a lot of noise about “Yellow Peril” racism. Let me first say that Anti-asian racism is, of course, a thing, but this “Yellow Peril” term is, without question, being employed as a tactic all over the Western world by the Chinese Communist Party and their useful idiots, as a shield; as a way to shut down debate and as a way to distract from their egregious piss-taking in all areas of our relationship. If you look at all these interference cases around the world, it’s almost always employed, it was literally the first thing, National MP and UNited Front operative, Jian Yang, went to. You see it time and time again in these stories, most recently the Chinese Ambassador to Canada calling the entire country “white supremacists”
It also is being used to claim ownership and guardianship of all ethnic Chinese. It’s quite insidious as the reality is that it is the CCP themselves responsible for almost all of this anti-china sentiment and then they swoop in and say to these Uni kids for example; “The chinese embassy in NZ will resolutely protect all Chinese students” attempting to portray themselves as defenders of their own kind being unfairly victimised by foreign racists It’s a cynical but remarkably effective tactic no doubt this card will played in this case, too.
Unfortunately, even some of our own home-grown Chinese kiwis who are de facto community spokespeople have up until now encouraged this dangerous use of the race card and have only recently after others in NZ have begun to wake up to the pervasiveness of the threat posed by the CCP, attempted to speak out on these issues.
We need to be fearless in shutting down any attempts by anyone attempting to play this “Yellow Peril” card. I trust Kiwis will be able to smell this coming a mile away as they start to understand the malignant, pervasive influence campaign being conducted by the CCP all over the liberal democratic world. It’s high time we took the kid-gloves off and called them out for the bad-faith actors they are and not fall for the cynical tactics of using our own struggles to combat racism against us.”
MARK says: “You are right D’Esterre –my girlfriend is from Hong Kong and can get the gist of mandarin without serious study —-its sort of like Italian and Spanish —-if you understand one romance language its not a big leap to another. Particularly for anyone having lived in Hong kong since the handover.”
No, you are not correct, – Cantonese and Mandarin are much further apart than Italian and Spanish.
As you probably know (being an expert on all things Chinese) it is entirely possible for a Cantonese speaking person in southern China to survive quite well with only a minimal understanding of Mandarin – even more so in HK which has only had Mandarin as an official language for 20 years (less than a generation). It is still entirely possibly to live and thrive in HK without understanding any Mandarin.
As for your claim of the HK student being able to understand Mandarin – would you necessarily understand something being spoken extremely quickly, with great passion and in a very loud voice – in a tongue that isn’t your mother tongue? You wouldn’t feel any need to ask another person if what you heard meant what you thought it did?
ALAN says “It has been clear for some time that political thought within the local Chinese diaspora is being actively coordinated”
Absolutely. The local Chinese newspapers are propaganda rags not fit for toilet paper. Every “article” about HK or Taiwan is a straight reprint regurgitated from Xinhua or the Taiwan Affairs office.
ROBLOGIC says: “We need to be fearless in shutting down any attempts by anyone attempting to play this “Yellow Peril” card.”
yep. Calling “racism” or “yellow peril” in much the same way that accusing a speaker of being “anti-semitic” is used to shut down debate about Israel. The CCP are masters at this kind of thing. “Mark” being a case in point. He’s probably in a comfortable chair in an office in Beijing getting paid to troll foreign websites anytime the word China is mentioned.
“Cantonese and Mandarin are much further apart than Italian and Spanish.”
Fucking bullshit. Most Cantonese speakers can get the gist of a mandarin conversation, at least with some exposure. Not so much with Italians understanding spanish or vice versa
“As you probably know (being an expert on all things Chinese) it is entirely possible for a Cantonese speaking person in southern China to survive quite well with only a minimal understanding of Mandarin – even more so in HK which has only had Mandarin as an official language for 20 years (less than a generation). It is still entirely possibly to live and thrive in HK without understanding any Mandarin. ”
This statement is fucken stupid and illogical. To be able to live and thrive in HK without understanding Mandarin does not gainsay the point that most young people have a reasonable knowledge of it, or at least when it comes to understanding what is being said. Think about it.
No. That cunt understood what was being said, but was being smarmy ass speaking english like the cunt she is. A true running dog.
And what a fucken shit actress – she bounced back like being zapped by 100000 volts when she was just touched because she ran up to the guy.
“Coordinated……The local Chinese newspapers are propaganda rags not fit for toilet paper. Every “article” about HK or Taiwan is a straight reprint regurgitated from Xinhua or the Taiwan Affairs office. ”
Again fucken stupid statement. So the Western media is also coordinated because almost every single article you read about China is negative? Whether it is Fox news, CNN, etc?
That most chinese people do not want their country torn apart is no indication of active coordination by their government anymore than most New Zealanders would not want say the North Island to be a separate country from the South Island.
If you were any more transparent you’d be made entirely of cellophane. Seriously, ‘Mark’, you need to work on your infiltration skills, because you’re incredibly bad at this. You may as well be wearing a tee-shirt that reads, “I am a shill for the Chinese Communist Party!” Make some Russian friends. They at least have an inkling of how to get away with this stuff without appearing hilariously obvious.
I feel sorry for the floor.
A man used his elbow to push a young woman on her chest few times!!!! then accusing she fell onto purpose. what an excuse for a bully!!! you think you should be allowed to do your insult and the woman should stand still, so you can continue?? what’s type of sense of wrong vs right?
Everyone has their right to express their views peacefully, regardless if we agree! You can also express yours in a similar manner but not in any position to attack others, either verbally or physically.
A man used his elbow to push a young woman on her chest few times!!!! then accusing her that she fell purposely. What an excuse for a bully!!! You expect a woman should try to stand still to allow the physical attack to continue?? what’s type of sense of wrong vs right?
Everyone has their right to express their views peacefully, regardless if we agree! You can also express yours in a similar manner but not in any position to attack others, either verbally or physically.
A man used his elbow to push a young woman on her chest few times!!!! then accusing her that she fell purposely. What an excuse for a bully!!! You expect a woman should try to stand still to allow the physical attack to continue?? what’s type of sense of wrong vs right?
Everyone has their right to express their views peacefully, regardless if we agree! You can also express yours in a similar manner but not in any position to attack others, either verbally or physically.
Considering all those ‘pro-democracy’ protesters don’t even know what the legislation China was trying to pass was even on about, this so called ‘Protest’ has been ‘pro-criminals going to Hong Kong’. The gist of the legislation is so that China has the right to APPLY for extradition of criminals that have committed crimes in mainland China (you know like digital fraud/scamming and MURDER) if they escaped to Hong Kong. The legislation is so strict with the wording, they can only APPLY for the extradition which the local government then has to AUTHORISE for it to go ahead. So if you want all the criminals to flock to Hong Kong from China, by all means! Also if China actually wanted certain people to be caught and sent back to face the music, let’s just say they wouldn’t be bothering with this legislation stuff at all because there’s about a hundred other ways they can do it. Y’all think there’s no LAW and ORDER in China but that’s just it, you’ve never been to China, because of the high population in China it’s actually important to have a lot of Law and Order because otherwise it’ll be chaos! It is because of proper law and order that China’s economy has been able to go so far (and majority of the Chinese population benefits so they comply, they know their government isn’t perfect but not one government or form of governing is going to be perfect, as the saying goes: you can’t please everyone. I mean is the NZ government pleasing everyone?). How the hell would an unorganised country without proper infrastructures develop so quickly?
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