Dear NZ – just checking that if Trump is lunatic enough to stumble into a war with Iran – WE WILL NOT JOIN HIM RIGHT?

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Can we all just be clear that as New Zealanders, if Trump starts a bloody war with Iran that WE ARE NOT JOINING THIS LUNATIC RIGHT?

No way, no how, no where, no time.‬

‪Never ever.‬

Not in a  box.

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Not wearing socks.

Not with a fox.

Not with an Ox.

We do not like green eggs and Iran.

I we do not like them, Uncle Sam I am.

‪Can we all please remember as the war drums build that Trump tore up the Iranian deal & refused to lift sanctions DESPITE Iran doing as they agreed – if this orange lunatic stumbles into a needless war NZ WILL NOT JOIN HIM RIGHT?‬

Yes Master, what is your bidding

Winston was dragged to Washington this week where Pence would have given him the hard word on supporting Trump if America strikes Iran, the machinations for violence are already in motion.

Publicly we talked free trade. Privately that was not what was discussed.

‪Brothers & sisters – we can’t support this madness‬, another destructive war in the Middle East? If Trump trips into war or foolishly believes we can ‘win’ a military conflict with Iran, for the sake of our honour, we must refuse point blank to provide any support to America, and must use our voice to demand a halt to any military action and the issue be in front of the UN immediately.

I watched the lies and the manufactured Iraq war, the cost in human lives and actual dollars is and was an obscenity. To start another bloody war is unacceptable!

Let us as a nation be crystal clear so that history hears us, we will not back Trump in military conflict against Iran.

Not one of our soldiers should be put in harms way because this tangerine fascist is too much of an idiot to comprehend what he’s doing.

29 COMMENTS

  1. There is absolutely NO way we can support Trump’s war mongering America!
    To do so would be wrong on every level!
    America is behaving like a total asshole, closely resembling Nazi Germany.

    NO MORE mindless killing, NO MORE global oppression, NO MORE blindly following our colonial overlords!

    Let’s not be America’s Bitch anymore!

    • Glen Carbines: “There is absolutely NO way we can support Trump’s war mongering America!
      To do so would be wrong on every level!”

      That’s never stopped us in the past, even though that’s been the case since WW2. Every US president in my lifetime – going all the way back to Eisenhower, with the possible exception of Kennedy – has been a warmonger.

  2. I’m guessing the leader with teef will capitulate at the first hurdle and fall into line behind the Great ‘Tane’ tohunga, the mighty Colonial Son of a Gun, Heir Winston Peters.
    It’ll be a mighty speech to listen too!
    I’t go something like … “One of my ancestors was Iranian, however he was executed by this regimes leaders great,great,great uncles cousin ….”

  3. In the immortal words of Jimmy Dore, “HOW DARE IRAN PLACE IT’S COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR US. BASES.”

  4. Conflict maybe a foregone conclusion.

    Wars always have uncertain outcomes but i am sure the American military and those who prosper when the U.S.A attacks a foreign country will be willing to give Iran a hiding to ensure the balance of power remains.

    The orange tyrant will gladly wave the heads of the Iranians in the air to appeal to his moronic base.

    Winston can’t be trusted and i am sure has done a Brash promising full support in the event of hostilities breaking out.

    That could be a make or break for the current lite blue coalition when called upon to engage in this war with our allies.

    • I’ll be watching closely for Winston’s response if we ever hear it.
      I think though that US is looking hard for a way to either set up someone else to fight their war against Iran as they seem to have manoeuvred the stupid Brits into , or find some way of backing off without loosing their belligerent face.
      I think Iran taking down that spy drone a few weeks ago was a serious wake up call. They can probably wipe Iran off the map eventually but it won’t be without loosing warships and bases in the Middle east and it’s unlikely to be isolated to Iran and US bases, and who knows where it will end.
      D J S

      • David Stone: “I think though that US is looking hard for a way to either set up someone else to fight their war against Iran as they seem to have manoeuvred the stupid Brits into , or find some way of backing off without loosing their belligerent face.”

        My impression is that this is a negotiating tactic on Trump’s part: it’s not dissimilar to what he’s done with North Korea, and it appears to be his modus operandi. If he can manipulate the Brits into falling over their feet yet again, tant mieux, in my view. Serves ’em right…

        “….it won’t be without loosing warships and bases in the Middle east and it’s unlikely to be isolated to Iran and US bases….”

        He came to power with a plan to get out of foreign wars; on-the-ground conflict in Iran doesn’t seem to fit with that. The whole anti-Iran stance, even during the campaign, seemed to be a contradiction. The only rationale I can see for it is that he’s an Israel ally in a way that Obama never was, and wished to reassure Netanyahu, whose nose was put seriously out of joint by Obama’s deal with Iran. In my view, that’s exactly why Obama did the deal. It was well-known that he and Netanyahu detested each other.

        I think Trump’ll take it to the brink of a shooting war, then find an excuse to back off; he’s already done that over the shooting-down of the drone.

        However. If I’m wrong, and the threat of a shooting war becomes a reality, perhaps that’s the point at which we the citizens march on parliament again? We did that before, long years ago, to implore the Clark government not to get involved in GW Bush’s insane adventure in Iraq.

        I wouldn’t have expected to have to do that again with the current government, but hey! we’ve seen how cowardly they are over other matters; I have no confidence that they’d have the courage to maintain an independent stance over Iran. Never mind the fact that Iran is a trading partner.

        • “He came to power with a plan to get out of foreign wars; on-the-ground conflict in Iran doesn’t seem to fit with that. The whole anti-Iran stance, even during the campaign, seemed to be a contradiction. The only rationale I can see for it is that he’s an Israel ally in a way that Obama never was, and wished to reassure Netanyahu, whose nose was put seriously out of joint by Obama’s deal with Iran. In my view, that’s exactly why Obama did the deal. It was well-known that he and Netanyahu detested each other.”

          Exactly

          Trump is a puppet of the Zionists

          “I think Trump’ll take it to the brink of a shooting war, then find an excuse to back off; he’s already done that over the shooting-down of the drone.”

          You think?

          Your an optimist D’esterre

          Trump’s modus operandi is to say One Thing and then do The Other. He’s got firm, has done it in the past

          We *are* seeing not just a rise of toxux brew of ultra nationalism and white supremacy, but the flexing of that nationalistic ardour in the firm of military adventurism

          Its a repeat of the rise of fascism in Europe in the 1920s and militarism in Japan

          Lets hope it doesnt lead to global conflict as it did in the late 1930s

        • David Stone: “It seems we are already there..”

          Yeah, I’d read that piece. We now know from Nicky Hager that NZDF personnel are posted to such areas because Defence puts pressure on our governments to send them there, not the other way about.

          If ever there were a part of the world where NZDF staff should NOT be, it is there.

          I’d write to Winston Peters about it, but I suspect I’d receive a response as bizarre and fact-free as that he sent to me, not long after the coalition agreement was announced in 2017. Possibly it was written by somebody in MFAT; somebody whose worldview was informed by propaganda and Russophobia. And flat-out ignorance about what was really happening in Syria. These people must think that the rest of us are as dumb as they are.

          Is it time to march on parliament yet?

  5. “……O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;…..”

    Star Spangled banner
    Says it all.

    No thanks Uncle Sam.Enough is enough

  6. Right.

    And how fortunate we are that the Hollywood groupie is no longer
    up in Parliament and able to bellow at other people’s whanau to get some guts.

  7. A big thumbs up to Martyn’s post.

    Please, no NZ support for a US led conflict with Iran, or with any other nation for that matter.

    It’s obvious the US is igniting the dangerous fuse of a war with Iran, to boost Trump’s appeal to his warmongering support base and will use any country stupid enough to become involved. Britain is half way there already.

    The only winners will be the US arms industry.

  8. Personally, I doubt that the US will go to war at this point. Iran has a good hand to play, with sophisticated military technology, disciplined military forces, and a civilian population which despite its serious political divisions will rally together in the face of attack from the US and/or Saudi Arabia.
    The Iranian regime has played its cards well (contrast that with the bumbling incompetence of the British government) with just the right balance between proportionality (capturing a British tanker in retaliation for the British seizure of an Iranian vessel) and firmness (seizing a second British vessel just in case the lesson of the first was not fully absorbed).
    I am not too worried about the prospect of Her Majesty’s New Zealand forces being sent to die in another unprovoked and unjust imperialist war, this time against Iran, but if the possibility became likely, the sensible response would be to ensure that the royalist military forces were fully engaged on our home soil.
    By the way, Paul Buchanan, an occasional voice of reason among Five Eyes political commentators, offers an interesting and intelligent analysis of the Iran-US standoff at kiwipolitico.com.

    • Geoff Fischer: “By the way, Paul Buchanan, an occasional voice of reason among Five Eyes political commentators, offers an interesting and intelligent analysis of the Iran-US standoff at kiwipolitico.com.”

      Thanks for that tip. It’s a useful piece. I’d largely given up on reading Buchanan, having been a bit irritated by his opinions about international events a few years ago. His site is back among my bookmarks! Though I’m sure that I’ll disagree with him over something at some point in the future….

  9. Geopolitics.
    Iran is no threat to NZ but strategically important to US interests.
    We are an ally, a five eyes partner.
    If we want the US to have our backs with China, they may expect a level of support in whatever fight they pick.
    Let’s hope if it comes to that, we can avoid boots on the ground.

  10. How can we attempt to rein in global warming when the US wants to start a war almost every month somewhere in this miserable world. Nothing is worse for global warming than endless war. From the energy expended by exploding bombs to the energy needed to replace all those concrete ruins by other concrete buildings the end result is a massive increase in the worlds carbon footprint.
    We Kiwis need to have an independent pro-peace stance and that is incompatible with our recent large increase in our defence budget. Other nations will have noticed and drawn their own concusions.

  11. Why conflate Trump with another regime change ‘ intervention’? Uncle Sam has a long history of ‘ intervention ‘ regardless of current leader. Is it approximately fifty or so, and counting….?

    • Philj:”Why conflate Trump with another regime change ‘ intervention’? Uncle Sam has a long history of ‘ intervention ‘ regardless of current leader.”

      True enough. Folks here also need to remember that Trump hasn’t started another war yet. Unlike his predecessor(s).

      • So you need him to start one to review your opinion of him??

        And *when* he does blunder into another war, will you then be the apologist for him again and blame it on “poor advice”??

        • Mjolnir: “And *when* he does blunder into another war, will you then be the apologist for him again and blame it on “poor advice”??”

          An apologist? More have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife-yet assertions, I see. I remind you: I’m not (I’m pleased to say) American; I’m a NZ citizen. Therefore I’m not a Trump – or any other US president in my longish life – supporter. None of them has been my president.

          However. I’m an observer of politics, including international politics, since (I’ll take a bet) before you were born. I’ve lived through stuff that you’ll have to go to textbooks to find out about.

          It appears that you haven’t been paying attention to what’s been happening, over a very long period. As Mosa points out, it isn’t Trump who wants war with Iran: it’s chickenhawk Bolton. And if there’s any blundering, it’ll be Bolton. Who wants your – and my – heck, anybody but his – offspring to fight in a war that he’s been busting a boiler to start since – oh, forever.

          However. It looks as if Trump has Bolton on a leash of sorts. It is to be hoped that the experience of the thick end of one term as president has taught him what he needs to do to control neocons such as Bolton and Pompeo.

          And on the bright side, la Clinton lost the election. Whew! Close-run thing there…

          Here you go. Read this; you sure need to:

          http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2019/07/the-real-roots-of-iranian-brinkmanship/

          • When Trump is attacked, default to Hilary Clinton??

            Is that the standard we’re at??

            You can justify anything, anywhere, anytime, just point to someone else as a supposedly worse option??

            No, I dont buy the Clinton Is Worse option

          • “As Mosa points out, it isn’t Trump who wants war with Iran: it’s chickenhawk Bolton. ”

            And chicken hawk Bolton was appointed by………..??

          • “And on the bright side, la Clinton lost the election. Whew! Close-run thing there…”

            Clinton didn’t appoint Bolton the Chickenhawk. Trump did.

            Clinton isn’t threatening Iran. Trump is.

            Clinton isn’t president. Trump is.

  12. If there is war with Iran it most certainly NOT be another Iraq.

    It has the potential to spread very fast and include Israel in any conflagration.

    It is not Trump that wants war but the likes of Bolton who has been eager to attack Iran for a long time.

    Once again oil will be a major consideration.

    What Putin does will be a major factor in how this plays out.

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