Well this can’t have come as a surprise can it?
Government knocks down Destiny Church’s Man Up programme
Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis has stamped out any hope Brian Tamaki may have held of winning government funding to deliver his Man Up programme in prisons.
The Destiny Church founder has been vocal about what he says is the success of the 15-week programme to help “dysfunctional” men with a record of violent offending and addiction.
Tamaki has repeatedly criticised the Government for not funding him to deliver his programme in New Zealand prisons, despite never making a formal application as part of the Corrections tender process.
Davis said there was no verified, independent research showing the programme has achieved success, and lashed out at Tamaki, calling his claims duplicitous.
Many were prepared to forgive the weirder and less progressive elements of Destiny Church if they managed to give hardened criminals who the State had given up on a chance of a crime free life post prison, but their spiteful and cruel display in Christchurch last week where they protested outside the Christchurch Mosque that had been the site of a white supremacist terrorist atrocity because they wanted to rub in the faces of grieving Muslims that NZ was owned by Jesus was the last fucking straw.
While the Government will publicly say it’s because the program has no evidence of working, the truth will be far closer to their appalling actions last week.
I don’t care what ‘good’ Destiny Church claim to do, allowing that abomination of callousness in your organisations name rules you out of civil discussion.
Jesus would be ashamed of you Brian.
I have not seen what real widespread good Destiny Church has done for our communities, and until I do hear the stated good that they have done for us, all we need to view Brian Tamaki with suspicion here.
The Man Up program has made very real changes in the lives of people who were in gangs. Some very violent people have mended their ways with beneficial consequences for their families and communities.
Brian Tamaki is sometimes as mad as a cut snake and has trouble reading his own bible but there’s no doubting the success of what they do with the Man Up program.
It’s a pity its all getting forgotten about in the current hysteria.
Tamaki is a very shrude businessman, that is all. Nothing to do with religion at all.
You’re right, religious conversion is the best way of change for convicts, nothing better. Why so? You’re alright bud, immediately. The same deferred payment as all the solaces of the needy. Drink, drug, religion. Certainly benevolent religion is the best of those; how benevolent can nonsense ever be? Reality demands realism.
Aaron-evidence please?
Go to the Man Up Website and watch videos of some seriously dangerous individuals talking about the changes in their lives.
I’ve interviewed someone who runs one of the programs as well and it’s 99% sensible application of psychology.
Sorry AARON but web sites (like infomercials) and anecdotes from involved participants are not scientific evidence. Real research is much more convincing. If any real research does exist I’d love to read it and am happy to be convinced.
AARON-; Propaganda on a web site (think infomercials) and anecdotes from involved participants is not evidence.
If scientific research with peer reviewed data showed ‘Bishop’s’ scheme was effective I could be convinced.
Spot on that cult needs to be investigated by the serious fraud office.
Time someone actually considered laying a complaint.
His behaviour in Christchurch was beyond appalling.
He is so far from what any kiwis need in or out of prison.
Absolutely mind-numbing Heather, and his on-line supporters seem seriously unhinged and savage. Expecting any political party to embrace a posse of bullies like this simply shows their disconnect from reality.
Even worse, the message of the Sermon on the Mount, ‘ Do unto others as you would have them do unto you’, has been publicly repudiated by their
ugly adolescent behaviour towards a grieving community of both Muslims, and many of the rest of us.
The Govt. via Jacinda and Kelvin Davis, struck the right tone on this. Looks like Mr Tamaki wanted a “captive” audience served up to him by Corrections as a feeder for his Church organisation, and presumably a new revenue source upon their release.
The Cops should have hauled the Bish’ in for a good talking to, as soon as he mentioned prison uprisings!
A bit of background into this cult and his leaders demands
http://www.webcitation.org/5poQxCA7j
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VbSE3VKn8c
His followers are instructed to cheer and agree with every thing he says and are not allowed to criticise or approach him.
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He has laid down a protocol that all his “sons” must obey in his hierarchical authoritarian cult in which he hold himself as an incarnation of God.
This is far beyond narcissism but reaps him millions from his enslavened subjects
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11264042
A dangerous man.
John W’s cited articles are a must read. The protocols for relating to “Bishop Tamaki” and his wife are unbelievable. Demands that everyone must stand when he or his Hannah walk into a room and remain standing until they are seated. Demands at a meal that you can’t begin eating until they begin. Demands that you don’t interrupt when he’s speaking and don’t talk aside to anyone else when he’s talking. The protocols are sheer bullying nonsense and it’s incredible that gullible people follow him and allow themselves to be scammed. Kelvin Davis showed his contempt for the guy openly. Andrew Little was a little less blunt. Jacinda wouldn’t want to waste any brain cells on him.
With signs of Dunning Kruger syndrome I believe he really thinks he’s the messiah. I know of other people who thought like this but they came right with medication.
Has anyone else noticed? That we seem to be in the middle of a sociopathic narcissist infestation? The bastards are coming out of the wood work. They talk the same talk, they preach the same bullshit, they preen and prance about. It’s as if the weak minded armed with greed have simultaneously contracted the same psychiatric illness. I blame cell phone towers.
Yes, CB, it’s been happening for about 18 months, and I’ve wondered if the whole country is going slightly mad – you’re not the first person to comment like this.
Your cell phone tower comment may not be far off the mark. I totally stopped watching television after Trump became Potus in case I saw him by accident, but I’d get rid of television sets for a start.My c/phone has been on the blink months and I’ve not told anyone, as my son bought it for me and I don’t know the problem.
John W rightly comments that Brian T is dangerous.He is much worse than I realised; getting out of that sort of group is harder than quitting a gang. Last night I thought he looked insane.
Interesting:
When National were in power; Brian Tamaki was living in a house owned by Judith Collins.
When Labour is in power; Brian Tamaki accuses Jacinda Ardern of ‘political gang rape’.
lol, just lol.
What do you know and by what means are you qualified to speak about who Jesus is, Martyn? Do you know him personally ?
You say things like ‘Zombie Jesus’ – yet seem to set yourself up as some sort of an authority.
Would you dare say ‘Zombie Allah?’.
No . You wouldn’t. Of course not.
Doesn’t suit the profile of the ‘left wing’ commo PC anti religion stance unless it is usable by them , does it.
– Not of course unless some Salvation Army dude writes up an article on your post that backs up your political views at the time in getting rid of John Key and National. Then your right inside the church at the front row.
Frankly , I’m getting a bit sick and tired of the selectivity of the left and their penchant for wheeling out Christians on social issues , – and then when it doesn’t suit the narrative they are told to STFU.
It cuts both ways, mate.
And don’t think for one minute Christians should be put back in the wardrobe because their freedom of speech / viewpoints are not convenient to your narratives and challenge them.
‘Zombie Allah’ ,… indeed.
Be nice, to be fair to Martyn .. he is learning. Just like sitting in a garage dosen’t make you a car – claiming to be a Christian doesn’t make you a follower of Christ.
Don’t hand me that- Martyn Bradbury is well aware of what he writes… whats this thing about conducting Bar Mitzvah’s again?
You do that and that shows you know.
And BTW- Destiny church doesn’t ‘sit in a garage’ either. Its precisely because they don’t that that all the opportunist leftists are conducting the pile on, – then giving Christian writers accolades when it suits their cause.
You’ve got to learn to take the good with the bad as we are so fond of hearing from the left regards ‘Zombie Allah’. Oh sorry , – that was ‘Zombie Jesus’.
I’m not a follower of Destiny or their leader. Matter of fact I disagree with much of how they present thier case.
But I wont sit here and see a pile on to Christianity either , – especially when there is blatant hypocrisy going on regards the new flavor of the month ‘Islam’ .
I support Martyn’s right say things I disagree with, find offensive, rude or even theoretically questionable.
I also defend your right to call out perceived hypocrisy ..
‘Better is open rebuke than love that is concealed. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy.’
Tamati is a cult leader, an authoritarian personality who demands submission from those weaker than himself. He appeals to a
desire in the human beast to be connected to a power that offers simple solutions to complex problems and dismisses the democratic process in favour of war and violence.
Tamati exactly illustrates the TMS (the toxic male syndrome) –
world-wide it is on the rise again.
Brian Tamaki thinks he can use threats of disruption, inciting possible violence in NZ correctional facilities, when his demand for his Man Up programme to be state financed in prisons is rejected by government.
In this situation the government has responded quite appropriately to threats and intimidation from the likes of a dangerous thug such as Tamaki, which is what he has proven himself to be here.
Tamaki needs to be officially investigated not only for his recent threatening behaviour, but also for the ways and means he and his wife have managed to accumulate wealth supporting their extravagant and excessive lifestyle!
Con man should have been locked up years ago
A dangerous man to have in prison amid the many mentally ill, sociopaths and disenfranchised.
Note his threats to create prison riots if he is not given what he asks for – access to the prisoners.
A pathological liar who manipulates others to do much of his more outrageous expressions of megalomania and then denies any knowledge of that.
Stupid people may believe what he says unfortunately as he relies on the generosity and gullibility of others to weave his mob based control.
Crazo, following the same silly pattern as every other cult. He’s been slimey to get this far and is slime now. There is some central path in religion for those with no conscience. No worse than the office sociopath. Glad for those of good conscience and keen intelligence both who oppose these. Oh, but the beauty, in that light, of truth from proof. These salesmen of immediate salvation. My brother, knowing it all, by the grace of God, at 19.
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