The more & more I read of the irrational, wilfully ignorant & down right malicious crap spouted by the NZ Gun Lobby…
In a call to Judith Collins’ office, gun rights enthusiast and blogger Mike Loder said “this is why politicians get burnt”, the former Minister said.
Collins told Stuff the phone conversation was made when she was Police Minister in the National government. She said one of her staff was trying to clarify an Official Information Act request from Loder when the blogger got frustrated and made the comment.
The matter was raised on Thursday as the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee heard public submissions on the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill.
Loder was one of 20 submitters to air his views on the new gun laws introduced after 50 people died in attacks on two Christchurch mosques in March. He said the changes had the possibility to drive guns “underground”.
During questions,Collins asked Loder if he thought he was a responsible proponent of the gun lobby, and he said yes.
She asked if he thought it was reasonable to phone up the office of the former minister of police and advise the staff member that the behaviour of the minister was the reason why some people burnt politicians.
“I was dealing with someone who was taking delight at obstructing me and obfuscating … I basically said this is what drives people nuts …,” he replied.
He said the person was excluding him from contacting his representative and called it “disgusting”.
She followed up by asking if he considered himself to be a fit and proper person to hold a firearms licence.
“It’s not a question, I am,” he said.
Loder said the Christchurch shooter would have killed more people had he not used semi-automatic weapons because he would have used something like a truck bomb.
He addressed Collins directly, saying she is wrong about the gun lobby “scaremongering”.
He claimed it was the police association who were ones scaremongering.
During questions committee chairman, Labour MP Michael Wood asked Loder to explain a blog post where he said the guns that would be banned were an essential tool of liberty.
Wood, covering up an image on the blog-post of bodies in a concentration camp, then asked him to explain why exactly it linked gun control to Nazi Germany.
Loder called it “historical accuracy”
Wood went on to note that Loder had called Prime Minister Jacinda Arden a “tyrant” and that shadowy foreign forces were involved with gun control efforts.
Loder said tyrants always supported gun control.
“Can you understand, given what happened in Christchurch, why some of us may be concerned that you have a strong voice within the firearms community. Towards people who are armed with these military style semi-automatic weapons, and you are promoting what are effectively conspiracy theories that are listened to, often by people of white nationalist, extreme right wing agenda,” Wood said.
Loder alleged that “deals were done” behind closed doors to get the support of rural groups, which he has called “scumbags”.
In his submission, he said hunters did not support the bill at all and called those who did “useful idiots”.
The gun lobby shouldn’t be seen as an “other” as they were part of New Zealand society, he said.
He said the problem wasn’t people with gun licenses and instead pointed towards gangs and recidivism.
“Criminals will always have access to firearms, whether or not they use them is up to us”.
He asked that police have control of the Arms Act taken away from them as they were not up to the job, he claimed.
He suggested oversight should be given to “a simple agency”.
As evidence of this he said several Australian criminals had been allowed to be armed in New Zealand because the police were not data-matching across the Tasman.
…the more & more convinced I am these folk should have been on Police & SIS radar from day bloody one rather than Māori, Muslims, Greenpeace, Environmentalists, the Green Party, the MANA Party & activists.
How far have we collectively allowed these gun fetishists to define the debate?
Read what the gun mad Fishing and Outdoors editor Graham Carter had to say about it all…
Fishing and Outdoors editor Graham Carter stood by an article in his paper today which called out Ardern and Police Minister Stuart Nash.
“Our Dumb-as-a-Plank New Zealand Prime Minister and lapdog New Zealand Police Minister have announced a ban on assault rifles that are and have been banned for the last ‘thirty-five years’.
“Comments made by our PM are disingenuous and misleading the general public.”
The article, written by John McNab, goes on to say that it was already illegal to fire any rifle which was “full-auto” even if it was a defence force firearm.
“This is what happens when dumb people are put in charge of stuff they don’t understand, and who are too dumb to either admit it, or to listen to facts from people who do understand the stuff in question.
“Then we have all the flower powder puffs coming out of the woodwork who know little if anything about the issues here.”
…look beyond the abuse and just consider the argument. His claim is that the semantics and technical language is false hence there isn’t really a problem.
His argument boils down to’ you can’t call the guns machine guns’ because the public recoil in horror at the word, and so Graham Carter wants to focus on how the term isn’t machine gun, it’s actually called semi-automatic which apparently sounds a lot less scary.
Can we believe this is their response? Some bullshit questioning over the terminology?
If it shoots like a machine, kills like a machine gun and maims like a machine gun.
It’s a fucking machine gun.
Civilians. Do. Not. Need. Easy. Access. To. Weapons. Designed. To. Kill. Humans. As. Quickly. As. This.
And if you are a gun proponent who is now using violent language or imagery or words to insinuate threats then you should be under surveillance by our intelligence agencies.
Responsible farmers and hunters have nothing to fear here. Gun fetishists and violent extremists, (from all parts of the political spectrum), should openly know they will be under the obligation of extra surveillance and responsibility.
The atrocity in Christchurch has made us all question why weapons of such enormous violence were allowed to be accessed with such ease. If it costs a billion dollars to buy back and eradicate this tumour before it metastasises, then so be it.