Playing Russian roulette with Trump – what happens if the Mueller case finds no collusion?

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Trump seems on the ropes.

Every day another breathless opinion piece tells us Trump is almost finished, that his poll numbers have collapsed, that he is besieged and that the Mueller investigation will destroy him.

Yet this orange tumour of a human being is still in the White House, still in power, still in control.

What happens if the Mueller investigation comes back and finds no Russian collusion?

I know, I know, I know. We all believe there is collusion, we all believe that Russia co-ordinated with Trump to steal the election, we believe it because we hate and despise Trump and none of us want to believe for one second that Trump actually won because the working poor left behind by globalisation were more disgusted at us than him.

I know.

Buuuuuuuuuut.

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What if, as some critics are now suggesting, there is no evidence of collusion? What if Mueller’s investigation turns up lots of dodgy shit about Trump, his business dealings and the business dealings of those around him with Russia, bit no evidence of collusion?

None of the security agencies, not even the FBI after 9 months of searching, could find collusion, what if Mueller also turns up no clear evidence?

I think we are in real trouble then.

Could you imagine how Trump supporters, like a multitude of trucker capped phoenixes rising from the fire, would rise up if their President was cleared? He could continue with a Government shut down until the Dems fold, get his bloody wall, show he was cleared on collusion and rampage to another 2020 victory.

I pray this isn’t the case, but I have a terrible suspicion that we have all believed the worst of Trump without the means of proving it. There could be a terrible price to pay for that.

34 COMMENTS

  1. Still, plenty of bankruptcies in Trunps closet. He attacks other candidates credibility, they attack Trunps credibility. Trump is far from unbeatable. Just got to want it bad enough.

  2. No one is suggesting a far more dramatic finding that I think is quite possible. What if Meuller finds a completely different picture. Not only that Trump had no inappropriate contact with Russia, but that the CIA the FBI and the Democratic party around Hilliary colluded to falsify and fabricate a comprehensive illegal attack on the properly elected president of the USA.
    That after all is what happened, and it is quite possible that Meuller has been conducting a perfectly honest and unbiased investigation. Won’t it be interesting to see.
    What is it that Trump is trying to do that worries you so much Martyn? Is it living?

    D J S

  3. Muller will find no collusion (if he had concrete evidence it would have been leaked by now), I’m no Trump fan (Republican Party yes) but the Dems will just forge ahead with the innuendo/conspiracy theory/fake news and the general TDS that they have been feeding on for last 2 years, nothing will change!

    • “but the Dems will just forge ahead with the innuendo/conspiracy theory/fake news and the general TDS that they have been feeding on for last 2 years”

      So you’re not a fan of free speech if supposed lies, mis-information, slander, etc, are used? Molyneux and Southern won’t like that. Not one bit.

      Ok, trolling rightwing dimwits aside, what ‘s “fake news” to you Im Right, my little furry buddy, may be truthful in the real world.

  4. Whatever you think of trump
    whatever I think of trump
    don’t really matter.
    The collusion is psyop.manufactured Distraction. all the players ID themselves/protecting themselves//Look away from content of emailLEAKS and basement server, Libya, ISIS..gigantic Clinton Foundation Frauds, Child Traffiking/Haiti/pedogate etcetc etc
    Mueller IS the swamp.
    Protecting the swamp.

  5. Of course there is no collusion. Like Im Right says, if there was evidence they would have released it as soon as they got their hands on it.

    The solution to this problem however is to make the Mueller report unavailable to the public – which is what Trumps nominee for Attorney General, William Barr, is suggesting should happen.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up could you.

  6. Let me make this perfectly clear for you all: This is all fake!

    The DNC, mainstream media, the RNC, the FBI, the DoJ and the CIA have all been digging for dirt on him since he announced his candidacy.

    AND FOUND ESSENTIALLY NOTHING

    The truth is that Trump was just supposed to be the comic sideshow to the election and Hillary was supposed to win. The powers-that-be had decided. The ‘fix’ was in. The bets were placed and palms greased.
    Jobs had been promised and campaign contribution paybacks lined up.

    But the pesky voters got in the way.

    Hillary finally dug her grave with her “deplorables” comment.

    Since his election a line-up of influential players have sought to drag him down. They’re in media, Hollywood, FBI, DoJ and CIA. They’re in the Greens, academia, and a dozen protest groups. They’re bankrolled by, among others, Soros and middle eastern dictators.

    Trump was a watershed in global politics – it will never be the same again.

    • Andrew: “Let me make this perfectly clear for you all: This is all fake!”

      Exactly. I agree with everything you say.

    • The DNC, mainstream media, the RNC, the FBI, the DoJ and the CIA have all been digging for dirt on him since he announced his candidacy.AND FOUND ESSENTIALLY NOTHING

      And yet, Andrew, his cronies continue to be indicted, convicted, and sent to jail. And those that haven’t, have been forced to resign in disgrace. Damned inconvenient, those little incidences, eh?

  7. Russian Bots are everywhere. Quite a few operating undercover on this blog, so I hear through my intel backchannels

  8. “We all believe there is collusion, we all believe that Russia co-ordinated with Trump to steal the election,”

    What’s this “we all”? Speak for yourself. There are many of us who have believed no such thing, because we prefer to rely on evidence. And there is none. From the start, the entire Russia-dunnit furphy has been peddled by the Dems because they can’t face the fact that it was their own incompetence that lost them the election. Although the rest of the world should be grateful that they did: it’s spared us Clinton, the neocon warmonger, as POTUS.

    “we believe it because we hate and despise Trump”

    So: you’d happily play along with the egregious smearing of an inoffensive people, thereby dragging the rest of the world ever closer to conflict, just because you hate and despise Trump? How the hell does that make the least sense? It really isn’t worthy of you.

    “…none of us want to believe for one second that Trump actually won because the working poor left behind by globalisation were more disgusted at us than him.”

    Know this: the working poor who elected Trump did so because he was a businessman, not a pollie. They neither know – nor care a toss – about “us”. We didn’t figure in that equation, because we don’t matter a damn to Americans. And that’s as it should be.

    The working poor of the US hate and despise pollies, although it’s actually the Establishment (not all of them pollies) at which their venom should more properly be directed.

    • Thank you D’Esterre, after being fed daily doses of anti Russian propaganda from rnz nat radio etc. with no EVIDENCE whatsoever, your reply is a breath of fresh air. IMO trump was not a great choice but the alternative was so so much worse.

      “We all believe there is collusion, we all believe that Russia co-ordinated with Trump to steal the election,”

      What’s this “we all”? Speak for yourself. There are many of us who have believed no such thing, because we prefer to rely on evidence. And there is none. From the start, the entire Russia-dunnit furphy has been peddled by the Dems because they can’t face the fact that it was their own incompetence that lost them the election. Although the rest of the world should be grateful that they did: it’s spared us Clinton, the neocon warmonger, as POTUS.

      ps. Please exclude me from “we all” Martyn

    • Know this: the working poor who elected Trump did so because he was a businessman, not a pollie. </i?

      lol.

      They elected him because they couldn't tell the difference between reality and the totally bullshit image they were feed over several seasons of The Apprentice.

      They elected him because they were stupid enough not to see through the absurdity of promises such as a tremendous coast to coast concrete border wall, paid for by Mexico.

      They elected him because they were stupid enough to believe his empty (totally without substance) claims that only he could repeal and replace the ACA – and that it would be easy. Let alone realising that the ACC Act was the best health care deal most of them will ever see in their life time.

      We could go on.

      In summary they elected him because they have little or no critical-thinking skills and they fell for a consummate liar and con-artist.

      PS the crime won't even be collusion, it'll conspiracy to commit any of several crimes….

      ….also fraud, money laundering, conspiracy to deal with a foreign power, obstruction of justice and witness tampering amongst others.

      Once Dennison-Trump is out of office, and he will be out of office at some stage, he and his crime family are going to be indicted, tried and sent to jail, their little criminal empire is going to face decades of legal action and ultimately enjoy utter bankruptcy.

      • Richard Christie: “They elected him because they were stupid…..In summary they elected him because they have little or no critical-thinking skills….”

        Hahaha, a superb illustration of the liberal mindset that lost la Clinton the 2016 election! Thank god…. And thank you for making my point for me.

        With regard to Clinton, I read somewhere that old Bill offered advice on how she should run her campaign; advice that was rejected by her campaign manager, the aptly-named Robby Mook. And we all saw how that turned out. They should have listened to Bill: he’s an egregious philanderer, but he sure as hell knows how to run an election campaign.

        “The working classes are stupid” has been said before and said better by Joseph de Maistre, and he was just as wrong then as you are now.

        De Maistre also said: “Man in general, if reduced to himself, is too wicked to be free.”

        And: “To hear these defenders of democracy talk, one would think that the people deliberate like a committee of wise men, whereas in truth judicial murders, foolhardy undertakings, wild choices, and above all foolish and disastrous wars are eminently the prerogatives of this form of government.” Don’t we know it.

        “….and they fell for a consummate liar and con-artist.”

        Ah…the arrogance of it! A more plausible view: the voters, having been presented with two candidates who are both consummate liars and con artists, proceeded to choose the person that they presumably saw as the lesser of two evils.

        “also fraud, money laundering, conspiracy to deal with a foreign power, obstruction of justice and witness tampering amongst others.”

        Manafort, I believe, anent the Ukraine. Of course, Russia and the Ukraine are two different countries, and it’s supposed to be Russia that’s the bogey for uncle Sam.

        Beyond that, you’ve got process crimes that would never have resulted in convictions if certain fools hadn’t thought it was noble and risk free to talk to the FBI. Don’t ever talk to the police. That’s advice they ought to have got from their defence lawyers; they certainly would have here.

        “Once Dennison-Trump is out of office, and he will be out of office at some stage, he and his crime family are going to be indicted, tried and sent to jail, their little criminal empire is going to face decades of legal action and ultimately enjoy utter bankruptcy.”

        Such a confident prediction! A member of this household wants to know if you could also give us the winning Lotto numbers for next week? Much obliged in advance….

  9. What happens when bears stop shitting in the woods?

    Mueller has ALREADY found conspiracy to collude with a foreign power and actual collusion by members of the Trump campaign.

    Manafort has been nailed and Donald Jnr is dead in the water waiting only for the duck boat, along with Stone and Jerome Corsi (the later two both closely associated with the campaign although not on its payroll).

    If you think Mueller hasn’t evidence that Mr Dennison-Trump was aware of the activities of the above, then I guess you also know that the GCSB doesn’t spy on NZ citizens.

    • Richard Christie: “If you think Mueller hasn’t evidence that Mr Dennison-Trump was aware of the activities of the above, then I guess you also know that the GCSB doesn’t spy on NZ citizens.”

      Here’s a puzzle. You’ve clearly got this from the MSM, who have been peddling this furphy from the outset. Yet here you are, on a blogsite which manifestly isn’t the MSM. Say what?

      See this, also from the not-MSM: “Mueller will NOT charge collusion, say ABC news”:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkIlZizLdc

  10. You lot who are denying collusion between Trump & Putin must have forgotten Trump’s early blasts celebrating his relationship with Putin. Latest news from Washington – pending impeachment. It’s still happening.

    • JANIO. Only a very small group is talking about impeachment. I’v heard nothing from the attorney general, have you? The Supreme Court sure as shit don’t have a majority against trump. I feel like there’s only a small bunch, maybe 400 or so actually talking about impeaching Trump and non of them occupy control functions of the U.S. Constitution. Could be wrong that would be one hell of a conspiracy.

    • Janio: “must have forgotten Trump’s early blasts celebrating his relationship with Putin.”

      What? Since when does a US president skiting about his relationship with the president of another country constitute collusion? That’s seriously barmy. Trump has also boasted about his good relationship with Kim Jong Un; last I looked, nobody’s accusing him of collusion with North Korea.

      “…pending impeachment. It’s still happening.”

      In somebody’s dreams, by the looks. On what grounds?

      Go look at the Jimmy Dore piece that G.A.P.’s posted.

  11. Did sit through the jokey piece you recomended G.A.P. Perhaps I watch too much CNN but despite all the argument I think my point about a newly elected Trump crowing about his cosy relationship with Putin, speaks volumes.

    • People who want to win the debate by turning the volume up have no arguments and especially no evidence that Trump actually did anything. Like there’s plenty of evidence that he shafts his own employees for doing a good job of all things but normies gotta norm.

    • Janio: “Perhaps I watch too much CNN…”

      That you do. Nothing useful to be learned from CNN. It’s a bit of a puzzle, really, that on the one hand you’d watch CNN, yet on the other you come to this blogsite.

      “…a newly elected Trump crowing about his cosy relationship with Putin, speaks volumes.”

      No. It doesn’t. Give up on this CNN-propagated furphy.

  12. Watched Al Jazheera program on how Trump got elected, and it’s nothing to do with corruption or Russians. His team quite simply used the technology more wisely and had a jump on the Dems (and Republicans) campaigns.

    In a nutshell billionaire software algorithm genius Robert Mercer favoured Trump so set out to obtain metadata from every available source (public and private records, corporate and government, banks etc, and social media). Remember Facebook selling data to Cambridge Analytica.

    Using the data that identified swing voters and their likely concerns Cambridge Analytica and Trump’s team targetted very precisely individual voters using artificial intelligence algorithms, via Facebook and Twitter. Knowing they would lose the popular vote they made sure they won swing States for Electoral College votes.

    None of this was illegal per se, there was no need for Russians. And next time they will all do it. What is scary is how our supposedly private information has become a commodity to use against us.

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