Should NZ & Canada forge a new leadership for the West?

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Beyond all the domestic challenges Jacinda faces is an International platform for genuine global leadership begging for her to step up to.

Is it time with Australia’s disgraceful treatment of New Zealander’s and their grotesque refugee solution and rampant racism to look for new mates in what has become a toxic and dysfunctional relationship?

While England retreats within itself and risks self implosion over Brexit and with an Orange Fascist in the White House for the foreseeable future, is it time for New Zealand to seek a new relationship and partner to lead the cause for liberal progressive democracies?

When there is so little hope, how symbolic and powerful would a brand new economic, cultural and political relationship with Canada be?

We have so much in common with our indigenous populations, our progressive politics and our role in 5 Eyes.

Annual cultural events in both countries seeking to connect deeply with one another, free trade agreements and a partnership of co-operation. Jacinda and Trudeau could champion refugee rights, cannabis reform, indigenous rights, environmental rights and social justice rights at a time when the planet has lost leadership because Trump has abdicated it.

NZ and Canada have a lot in common, we are both neighbours to a larger country who is an arsehole and whom we get mistaken for, we have similar dynamics and mutual cultural elements.

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  1. This plan will only work if it is run by Expert Age of Empires 3 players?

    Well, the world is now a bit different place than Pre colonial America was so I’m not sure that’s a good analogy but cement, Lumber & Steel will make our nations great again. Problem is, how would factories remain competitive while paying workers a decent wage, keeping in line with all the safety and environmental regulations, coming up with a non political alternative to Canadian tar sand oil mining *cough*, and making a profit with the major players of that market manipulating that market for their benefit and competing for market share. It can work, provided that the right areas are chosen, the right industry and the right level of support.

    Its pretty much evolution of the mind. The best ideas are input into a system and individuals are rewarded for novel ideas. This is how the world works and any leader that wants success for their country must keep this in mind. 90% of all new businesses fail, and entering super competitive fields with people that have no experience in it, limited military capacity, New Zealand still bludgers off of the Australian security umbrella and Canada still bludgers off the American security umbrella.

    Undercutting America would work if they didn’t have a financial system that could absolutely crush New Zealand. But if for example the goal of increasing production capacity wasn’t to make a profit per se, but its goal was maximizing production funded by deficit borrowing. Sure, building productive capacity isn’t unique, but I think it adequately conveys the scale in which underhanded and secret activities are conducted by governments across the globe, with impunity. We don’t just want to respect Canada, as far as treaties go there isn’t much else to be squeezed out of a revised prenuptial between Canada and New Zealand.

  2. Canada has an appalling environmental record -particularly that relating to the extraction of pseudo-oil from tar sands- which has been made a lot worse by the Trudeau administration. If it is not the worst directly-man-made global environmental disaster on Earth, it certainly ranks extremely highly. What was once a life-filled verdant forest is now a gooey moonscape of sludge and toxins. And pipelines this muck (diluted with imported solvents) are thrust across the landscape -with government backing- against the wishes of indigenous people.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=FSbNxHUj&id=CB603D58283C24556ECF49E7894CC25CAD94787A&thid=OIP.FSbNxHUjMAsOCMBMYrw_DAHaE-&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ctstbm.com%2ffile%2f2016%2f09%2f31.jpg&exph=615&expw=914&q=tar+sand+extraction&simid=607991668815825623&selectedIndex=16&ajaxhist=0

    And it is worth noting, yet again, that trade is very much part of the problem -all those diesel-powered ships going back and forth transporting stuff most people do not need, and spewing CO2 and toxins into the atmosphere, or aircraft spewing directly into the higher atmosphere- and can never be part of the solution to our numerous woes.

  3. Well, she could start by backing them over the Saudi dispute instead of going quiet.

    And they could start by not treating us and our exports the way they did during the TPPA negotiations.

    Speaking of the TPPA, Trump killed it, these two gave it CPR.

    In short, I remain to be convinced there’s a case here.

  4. Justin Trudeau has the IQ of a house plant

    There is some suggestion that he suffers from foetal alcohol syndrome.

    Not only is this person completely unfit to run Canada, he is openly hostile to his own country’s interests

    • But who was it that put the ‘house’ plant in the house, undoubtedly against the plants wishes? Did anyone think to ask the plant? ” Do you want to be jammed into a pot and never to feel a shower of rain again?”
      No. Would be my guess. Ok. Perhaps someone tripping on LSD might have, I admit.
      So, how do you know just how intelligent a house plant is?
      What if you asked the plant via an intermediary? How could you know just how far to trust the intermediary? What if that intermediary was, say, a possum? With a liking for house plants? Is the possum going to vouch for the plants intelligence when the possum really just wants to eat the plant which is now in a human house?
      Is the MSM playing possum with Trudeau? Making him look silly lest he threatens the idiot class with a thinky-thinky thing. Ring a bell House Plant Andy?

    • “Justin Trudeau has the IQ of a house plant

      There is some suggestion that he suffers from foetal alcohol syndrome”

      Funny, Andy, when you make stupid personal attacks like that, we think the same of you. It also suggests you find it hard to keep up with grown-up talk and resort to childlike name-calling instead. Go pick up you toys now, its potty-training time.

  5. Amusing! Thanks Martyn

    Neither have any real solutions for any real problems. They are just unqualified, virtue signalling fools who will be gone at the next election.

    • Thank’s Andrew, don’t no if your Nostradamus or Ignoramus? Actually I’d go with the second seeing as you sound like Hosking, comments without proof. What do others think?

      • Andrew has been red pill signalling so hard he sees pot plants everywhere. Andrew was so sure Winston would go with National. Now he’s a bit hurt.

  6. I’ve seen Trudeau described as being representative of “true-blue free-trade neoliberalism with a dash of socially progressive measures”.

    Which sounds very familiar.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/justin-trudeau-unions-environment-arms-saudi-arabia

    as for Trudeau and Israel, I’m sure if it was Trump making these statements we’d all be tut tutting and drawing hilarious cartoons..

    https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/1001631577363959809?lang=en
    https://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2018/04/18/statement-prime-minister-israel-independence-day

  7. You would think that the woke among us would see that the weak willed, envy driven, impotent, life negating business as usual liberal elite are the problem not the solution.

    The salvation of our species will probably depend on creating unique, collectivised environments within which the conditions for fostering individual & collective maturation, & cooperation for the greater good can be implemented. NZ is the perfect place for such a visionary, trail blazing, post-globalisation experiment. But unfortunately common sense tells me that it will take a green tinged nationalistic revolution, a national salvation government, the suspension of our parliamentary democracy & the implementation of a grand visionary plan to bring such a (new person, new world) dream to fruition.

    Those who believe that politicians & democracy will deliver the drastic changes required to stave off our death wish culture, from bringing about the immanent extinction of species in the short window of opportunity left to us, are totally deluded. The radical solutions required to save us from the worst aspects of ourselves will require a lot of restraint & self sacrifice, which is not something we’re good at. Do turkeys vote for Christmas? Only revolutionary intervention, a purge of the liberal capitalist elite, big sticks & a few carrots will do, if we’re too postpone the inevitable for a little longer.

    Time to pick a side but first it may help if each & everyone of us asks ourself the following question.’Has our species evolved to serve some greater purpose or not? If you’re in the yes camp & are as yet unsure about what this purpose may be, then your mission can only be to do your darnedest to ensure that some us survive to unravel the mystery & hopefully come too realise our true, life affirming purpose; even if this requires taking extraordinary & somewhat ruthless measures to do so. On the other hand if your’re in the more nihilistic nah camp & think humanity has no ultimate purpose & has arrived at where it is today through a series of unhappy or happy accidents, then you probably couldn’t care less about our fate & are pretty happy just to live it up until the reaper comes to sweep us all into oblivion.

  8. Yay!

    I’m old now, which means any ‘solutions’ you halfwits try will be irrelevant to me.

    Dying words?

    “Suck on it morons”…

  9. “Should NZ & Canada forge a new leadership for the West?”

    Yes.

    Go on? Would be fucking awesome!
    Michael Moore’s doco’ ‘Bowling for Columbine’ is a good watch re differences between Canada and ‘merica.
    Lets go Canada folks.
    Quotes from documentary:

    “Canadian: If more guns make people safer, then America would be one of the safest countries in the world. It isn’t. It’s the opposite.”

    “Mike Bradley – Mayor of Sarnia, Ontario, Canada: No one wins unless everyone wins. And you don’t win by beating up on people who can’t defend themselves. And that’s been the approach, unfortunately, that’s been spreading with some of the right-wing governments across North America. They pick on the people that can’t defend themselves. And at the same time, they’re turning around and giving financial support and tax breaks and tax benefits to people that don’t need them.”
    Yeah? I say give Canada a go. Lets just not talk about ‘merica for a while. I’m fucking over them.

    • I don’t see New Zealand getting out of 5is unless Russia can be brought into Europe. The first U.S president ever to want to do that is being accused of colluding with Russia so fuck. What ever.

    • totally agree Lois
      Trudeau a “progressive”?
      only as far as cost free LGBT,gay marriage and abortion goes.
      He’s just as wedded to backing up the US/Israel hegemony and market fundamentalism as any of them

  10. “Australia’s disgraceful treatment of New Zealander’s” – get rid of the second apostrophe Bomber, looks like a failed attempt to match us with the Aussies. Out of place when you’re trying to match us with Canadians. I think it’s a good idea to team up where it suits us and not where we’re not aligned like environmental issues which afewknow thetruth and others point out.

  11. I would not put much faith in a neoliberal Trudeau and soft neoliberal Jacinda coalition ‘leading’ a new western leadership.

    It is BS, they are both appeasers and compromisers, they have little clout, an Trump can trump them with a Twitter tweet any time, and ignore them, so can any other leader in the west or elsewhere.

    If you want a lesson on how brutal politics is, look at the Liberals in Australia right now, it is dog eat dog, and kill your enemy while you are at it, while using nice, diplomatic language.

    The world is a nasty place, and the ‘leaders’ we have all over the show, they are mostly in it for their own vanity and arrogant projects, they care little about honesty, decency and the true well being of human kind.

    Even Trudeau and Jacinda work with the corporations and business lobbies, they are NO change makers at all, just a nicer label on the same old stuffy good called capitalism.

  12. Ah the darlings of liberalism all lines up to bugger working people right and proper. What a truly wonderful time we live in. When the left are right, and the right are all as crazy as bat shit.

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