Trump & Putin – the new Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

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Putin just can not believe his luck can he? Look at the glee in his eyes as he meets this orange carnival of ignorance. I never thought I’d see the day when the President of the United States of America sided with the Russians?!? 

The scum of the earth I believe? The bloody assassin of the workers I presume?

Putin just can not believe his luck can he? Look at the glee in his eyes as he meets this orange carnival of ignorance. I never thought I’d see the day when the President of the United States of America sided with the Russians?!?

Trump’s bewildering performance with Putin is only credible IF Trump…

a) Is utterly compromised by Putin
b) Utterly believes his own Military Industrial Complex and Deep State create the conflict around the world for corporate gain

…both of these things could be true.

Personally I think blaming Russia for ‘hacking’ the US Election is deeply counter productive.

Firstly, it’s just outrageous that the Americans who have committed coups, electoral fraud and mass deceptions on 81 other nations over the years are in any position to lecture or complain about interfering in other peoples elections.

Secondly, it allows the Democrats off the hook. Instead of acknowledging they ran a terrible candidate and fielded neoliberal policies that hurt the very workers they had simply assumed would vote for them, the Democrats can avoid scrutiny of their own rigged primary process, the manner in which Bernie Sanders was unfairly treated and their hollow policies by blaming it all on Russia.

Newsflash to the Democrats – Trump didn’t win because of Russia, he won because you failed to appreciate how your embrace of neoliberal globalisation hurt the very voters you needed the most.

One estimate puts the budget of Russian interference in the election via social media advertising at $250 000. With all due respect for American Democracy, if you can influence an election with a mere $250 000, you have way bigger problems than Putin.

Put into perspective as well that Putin’s aggression with Crimea and the Ukraine are counter moves by a Russia concerned with NATO encroachment.

Putin’s Russia is an authoritarian regime that brutally keeps in line its Oligarch Gangsters like a Mafia state while espousing some appalling homophobia that has become almost a national past time. I’m no fan of Putin, he is a cold calculating feudal lord, but I also don’t allow American propaganda make me believe he is the centre of all that is evil in the world.

I agree that the US and Russia need far better relations but that can’t occur if the President of the United States is compromised or just too stupid to appreciate the geopolitics at play.

Right now a large group of American Industrialists and Military Intelligence Chiefs will be in a dark room somewhere arguing the pros and cons of assassinating Trump.

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46 Comments

  1. CLEANGREEN says:

    Top class comments here Martyn. 1000%

    You clearly can see though “the corrupted colaberated corporate conspired ‘(CCCC fog)’ sent up by the global corporates to cause another war with Russia.”

    This ‘elaborately conspired plan’ (was spurned by the Global elite/corporations who desperately need all those Russian ‘asset’s
    along with all of Russia’s vast resources broken up and siezed by them for financial gain.’

    Just as they successfully did over the division of USSR, Yugoslavia, and other global regions in indo/china and other regions which NATO is also a fully involved participant in.

    quote Martyn; “Trump’s bewildering performance with Putin is only credible IF Trump…

    a) Is utterly compromised by Putin
    b) Utterly believes his own Military Industrial Complex and Deep State create the conflict around the world for corporate gain

    …both of these things could be true.

    Personally I think blaming Russia for ‘hacking’ the US Election is deeply counter productive.”

  2. CLEANGREEN says:

    The best picture of a lasting pease we have seen for many years, long may it flourish, and gain more global acceptance.

  3. Cemetery Jones says:

    Other than during the Soviet period, Russia has always really been a regional power whose real strength lies in their strategic depth and ability to function and attack in weather which will kill their invaders. Putin is restoring Russia as a regional power, and working on being a credible guarantor of his allies’ security (and he’s on the verge of doing just that once and for all in Syria).

    What I like about him is that he’s used technological investment to bring the nuclear situation back to where it needs to be. During the early 2000s, Bush neocons felt that they could outspend Russia in ways which would make nuclear war winnable, and therefore thinkable. Obama neolibs followed through on this strategy despite having the golden chance to reverse it. Putin has made nuclear war once again unwinnable, and therefore once again unthinkable – just as it should be.

    • bert says:

      Sorry, but it you only half listen, you will hear Trump tell you it was “Trump, Trump, Trump who is responsible for the worlds denuclearisation. Why? Because Trump is biggly smart! So biggly smart he won’t say it to Putin’s face as he would not tell May to her face that it was Trump who would have fixed Brexit. Michael Jackson’s chimp could stand in for Trump and the US would still continue on as normal and Trump’s supporters would still support the chimp blindly.

      • Rickoshay says:

        ROFL Bert should start a rap band, hes got the limericks nailed, go hard Bert ill pirate yer first sound track, Thumbs up

      • Cemetery Jones says:

        Why do VICE and Huffington post readers still say ‘biggly’ when the rest of us all clearly heard Trump say ‘big league’ from the very beginning? Womp

        • bert says:

          I also heard Trump say “would” although he now say’s he meant “wouldn’t” . Womp.

  4. David Stone says:

    You have an unreconcilable conflict don’t you Martyn. How to comment on a very significant and common sense action of urgent and vital importance to world peace and security , against the wishes and interests of the unelected power brokers that you correctly rail against ,by a political figure you can’t stand.
    Roll a joint and relax. It’ll be all right.
    Cheers D J S

    • bert says:

      Yeah Martyn, grab em by the pu..sy and you become the USA’s greatest ever president!

      How you put “common sense” and Trump in the same spectrosphere is beyond me DJS, but I suspect rolling a joint would be the only way.

      • David Stone says:

        Fair enough, he’s pretty repulsive, but that doesn’t prove he can’t do the right thing sometimes.
        D J S

        • Aaron says:

          even if just by accident.

          • Mjolnir says:

            ” but that doesn’t prove he can’t do the right thing sometimes.”

            With respect, that’s almost the definition of a bullshit leader. Trump could also do the WRONG thing and provoke WW3 with China.

            Thats the problem with setting a low bar.

            Putin may be an authoritarian, corrupt kleptocrat, but at least he’s a capable authoritarian, corrupt kleptocrat!

        • Mjolnir says:

          ” but that doesn’t prove he can’t do the right thing sometimes.”

          With respect, that’s almost the definition of a bullshit leader. Trump could also do the WRONG thing and provoke WW3 with China.

          Thats the problem with setting a low bar.

          Putin may be an authoritarian, corrupt kleptocrat, but at least he’s a capable authoritarian, corrupt kleptocrat.

          • bert says:

            “Putin may be an authoritarian, corrupt kleptocrat, but at least he’s a capable authoritarian, corrupt kleptocrat.”

            Nice!

        • bert says:

          That’s also true but would you want a heart or brain surgeon doing the right thing “sometimes”?

    • dave brown says:

      Its easy to resolve that conflict if you understand that nothing Trump does is for peace. Its about how much of the world you can still dominate by making weaker states and the worlds’ workers pay for your failing US economy. E.g. he wants UK out of EU so he can weaken both. He is forcing a re-alignment of his former ‘allies’ and ‘foes’ to see how he can come out on top. Specifically, he is testing Putin on his alliance with China to see if he can weaken it, and play them off against each other. Iran is likely to be one test, as China is ignoring US sanctions. The UE has caved on US pressure to observe the sanctions. Will Putin follow or offer a hand to the EU? The latter I suspect as Iran is now part of the Security Cooperation Organisation- the Eurasian military bloc led by Russia and China.

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        Is that worse than being ruled by 10 rich peoples families of the world, and the 35 richest peole who own half of the world?

        The elitists who want to run the world as a “one world government”, I dont and want welocome that one thanks very much.

        • Andrew Murray says:

          that’s such a good reminder about 1st principles thinking.

          Thanks Cleargreen

      • David Stone says:

        I think Trump starts to make sense when you assume that all he cares about is money. Not only for himself but for the US. I don’t think he intends to start any new wars, he isn’t too fussed about the ones already started, and drones away happily enough, but it is getting control of US debt that explains most of his actions. By whatever means.
        D J S

  5. G.A.P. says:

    Firstly, the undoubted masters of regime change (of mostly democratically elected leaders of sovereign countries) often by murder, the mass bombings also uninvited in sovereign countries,have the unmitigated gall to bleat about a few hackers and approx. $250,000 changing the outcome of there elections??? Just listened to Cathryn Ryan’s American corespondent railing against her president and describing Russia as THE ENEMY, i am %100 for B.

  6. Tiger Mountain says:

    well put Martyn

    basically the Americans “did it to themselves” regardless of whether Russians nibbling around the edges of the election may, I repeat, may, have helped just push the Mango Mussolini over the line

    the rust belt, and the bent Democratic National Committee, and almost half the population alienated or gerrymandered from voting, are the USA’s to own and ultimately solve

    the “blame Russia for Trump” scenario does shift focus from the urgent political need for a left fightback and electoral alternative

  7. Historian Pete says:

    Excerpts from “Return to Moscow”, a book recently written by Tony Kevin, a career Australian Diplomat ,who 48 years ago was posted to the Soviet Union at the height of the cold war.In 2016 he returned. What will he find? How has Russia changed since those grim days? He speaks Russian. He travels beyond the main cities to find out what is really going on. Here is his educated opinion.
    ” I had planned this book simply as a personal travel account , comparing impressions of Russia today with the Soviet Union of my memories.But somehow this book has grown into something more as well:a personal appeal against current locked in hostile Western mis-reading of contemporary Russian reality, and against the insensate Western drive to a new cold war with Russia.
    There is the reality that I saw, of the civilized country in which I enjoyed living for a month. And there is the alternative dark reality of “Putins Russia”, as presented across multiple Anglo- American media, in todays massive information war against Russia.Of these two sharply opposed realities, it is the latter which has firmly colonised Western minds- to the point that most of us no longer know that it has done so.
    There are deep historical undercurrents to the present widening East- West estrangement.. most importantly,Russia is angered by the West having broken the unwritten [ a written copy was discovered last year-my insertion ]Gorbachev-Bush Snr. agreement in Malta in 1991 in which Russia would accept reunification of Germany as a Nato member, if the West undertook not to expand NATO beyond East Germany towards Russia.That promise was set aside by NATO under successive U.S. Presidents Clinton , Bush and Obama.Now there are new members of NATO exercising troops on Russia’s borders, and the likelihood of an invitation to Georgia and Ukraine to join.
    Secondly is the widespread sense in Russia that Western powers used her “time of troubles” in1985-2000 to become heavily interventionist in Russian internal affairs.
    Thirdly, there is a historic anti-Russian sentiment or Russophobia, in the West going back centuries.
    Information warfare has become a major new arena of East-West tension.The fact is that Anglo-American media,now habitually blend together their news and editorial comment about Russia, framing every Russia news story within familiar anti -Putin themes.
    The constant Western pressure on” Putins Russia” today has resulted in Putins approval ratings among the Russian people leaping from 69% to 78%.It seems that Russians have the government that most of them want!
    Against this backdrop we see how the United States and the U.S. led Western alliance are trying to preserve their dominant positions by any available method, including economic sanctions,direct armed intervention,large scale information wars, and launching “colour revolutions.”
    In conclusion,it seems to me that the Western Alliance is now trapped inside its own falsely created alternative reality of “Putins Russia”.Except for a few lonely outliers like Stephen Cohen,Sakwa,Kissinger, the American Committee for East-West Accord, and wiser heads in the Wilson Centre and the affiliated Kennan Institute, the West’s elite thinking about Russia is frozen in hostile prejudice.”

    Read the book- it may cause the scales to fall from your eyes!!!

    • RED BUZZARD says:

      +100…well said…this morning after listening to RNZ’s Guyon Espiner’s neo- McCarthyist propaganda against Russia ( yesterday it was Catherine Ryan’s anti Russia interview re Syria)

      ….I turned RNZ radio off and kept it off all morning

      …and golly it was good!

      ( about time RNZs propaganda department was shaken out)

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        I also turned it off when Espiner and Ryan crirpped the war chant I firstly yelled at Ryan in rage and said you get a rife and go to war as too many men have died for your wars amndn then remembered the song “American woman” get away from me. Guess Who 1971 and that said it all.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=gkqfpkTTy2w

        If these war monger womem went and half spilled their blood on foriegn fields as we Men were sent to do perhaps they may see the sence in talking before shooting.

      • G.A.P. says:

        Totally agree RB as a long time listener to rnz nat., i have almost had enough of the war mongering from Ryan et al on this station, have started listening a little to live. I see you all raising your hands in horror, but at least there i know where they are coming from.

    • Richard Christie says:

      +1 H.Pete.

      Most USians, across the political spectrum, are totally irrational in regard to Russia.

      For over a century they’ve suffered from domestic anti-Russian and/or anti-Soviet propaganda. That gets coupled to another almost universal US flaw, that of ignorance of, blindness to, and indifference to any foreign culture outside their borders – and to their refusal to acknowledge that their own foreign policies and actions are and have been every bit as corrupt as those they condemn in Russia.

      This results in a collective US mindset that won’t allow even their most charismatic (which Trump isn’t) leaders room to meaningfully thaw relations between the nations.

      I don’t see it changing.

    • David Stone says:

      Thanks for that H P
      D J S

  8. RED BUZZARD says:

    The real reason why the neocons dont want Trump and Putin USA/Russia dialogue and detente…but you wont hear it on neo-McCarthyist RNZ !

    ‘John Brennan Blasts Trump’s Press Conference As “Nothing Short Of Treasonous” ‘

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-16/john-brennan-blasts-trumps-press-conference-nothing-short-treasonous

    “The neocons, not to mention members of the military-industrial complex, are furious at the thought of losing Russia as the biggest global bogeyman responsible for tens of billions in bottom line profits to US defense corporations…

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      RB; 100%

      Absolutely true; – it is always about profits for corporations wealth, and not for the ‘common good’ let them rot in hell.

  9. Mjolnir says:

    5, 4, 3, 2…

  10. Ike says:

    I don’t think Trump would have gone as far has he has with rapprochement towards Russia if he wasn’t fairly sure his enemies in the intelligence agencies the Democratic Party and also the Republican party weren’t on the ropes and about to collapse. After a year or more of daily demonization (and I mean literally every single day,) by the news media, including our own, it must be difficult to form a valid perspective on Trump.
    Expect, peace in Syria, peace in Afghanistan a lot of cognitive dissonance in the general public and a lot of arrests in the USA.
    If you have not been following the proceedings of the Congressional Committee that “oversees” the intelligence agencies led by Devan Nunes Trey Gowdy , Jim Jordan and others, you are missing the drama of the century.
    Try and watch from a legal /moral perspective and not a left/right one

  11. Iain McLean says:

    If you have not been following the proceedings of the Congressional Committee that “oversees” the intelligence agencies led by Devan Nunes Trey Gowdy , Jim Jordan and others, you are missing the drama of the century.
    Try and watch from a legal /moral perspective and not a left/right one
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANohtXQhkQw

  12. juliania says:

    Very glad to see perceptive comments down under – and this is why, all of this, why US citizens voted for Trump over Hillary! They were not chumps, they saw the handwriting on the wall and they had no choice other. (Well, they did, but only a few of us voted for Jill Stein, whose campaign was so handicapped from the start that she hadn’t a prayer in the compromised voting system that exists in the US today.)

    Trump was a good choice for America and for the world, but I’m afraid the world didn’t realize that. I do think Putin did, and he’s admitted he favored this outcome. The neocons continue to shoot themselves in the foot – go talk to a Crimean about their referendum to rejoin Russia and what really happened in the coup that unseated Ukraine’s democratically elected government.

    Buffoon he may be, but isn’t Trump a good image for the US to have adopted at this point in history? Not out of stupidity; out of love of peace and our common humanity. Would you really rather have had Hillary??

  13. RosieLee says:

    “this orange carnival of ignorance.”
    Love it!

  14. Marc says:

    What utter nonsense, Trump has been a walking risk factor since the election campaign, is any informed person really surprised? He loves power men, and weak women, who he can grab by the what you know. He is a hypocrite, liar and BS artist, that is what it takes to be a real estate ‘developer’ and deal maker.

    I see this again and again, also here in little NZ Inc, a total BS country, going on about belonging to the ‘developed world’, as if it is a ‘developed’ country and population, which it is only to a humble degree.

    Trump loves Putin, he envies him, he loves dictators such as Kim Yong Un, and the likes, that is also the environment where such ‘business people’ like Trump do well, and get ‘deals’.

    The US corporates went to China and other dictatorships to make more money and business, and Trump only likes to play Robin Hood and the Knight of Shining Justice, he is as corrupt and double tongued as any US imperialist entrepreneur.

    Thanks for this post, it seems Putin sees pay back time big, for the way the US used Yeltsin the alcoholic and western phile person, who sold Russia and the USSR out.

    Now the US are the ‘victim’, having a similar idiot in charge, and Putin cherishes every moment of this.

    He is winning, the US are losing, Trump sits in the driver seat, sadly the constitution does not have a law that allows the police to take the drunk driver out of the driver’s seat to be breath testes.

    The story will evolve, things will continue as per usual, until it gets so embarrassing, it will move both US major parties to remove Trump, which can take years. The damage to be done meanwhile will be immense and irrepairable.

  15. RED BUZZARD says:

    NOT the mainstream hysterical neo McCarthyist media…an intelligent discussion:

    ‘Apocalyptic reaction’

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/433555-trump-putin-summit-reaction/

    “The very idea of a Trump-Putin summit was controversial from the start. They met in Helsinki and essentially agreed that the US and Russia should at least engage in dialogue. Much of the media and the foreign policy swamp reacted with an apocalyptic meltdown. Has the establishment lost its mind?

    CrossTalking with Michael O’Hanlon, Mary Dejevsky, and Daniel Faraci.”

    • Greg Mait says:

      The US never ceases to amaze me with their contradictions . Considering all those right wing blazing white Christians of the George Bush ilk . Who never understood one of the most pertinent statements in the New Testament . LOVE YOUR ENEMY. It is clear from the events of these past days that Trump totally gets it . yet his predecessor’s probably never will . For them Life with out an enemy is traumatic. Which has resulted in the need of a replacement enemy , which has become Trump. “Treasonous “. Should be a soap.

  16. Greg Mait says:

    The US never ceases to amaze me with their contradictions . Considering all those right wing blazing white Christians of the George Bush ilk . Who never understood one of the most pertinent statements in the New Testament . LOVE YOUR ENEMY. It is clear from the events of these past days that Trump totally gets it . yet his predecessor’s probably never will . For them Life with out an enemy is traumatic. Which has resulted in the need of a replacement enemy , which has become Trump. “Treasonous “. Should be a soap.