This is hilarious…
Officers have right to chase fleeing drivers – Police Association
The Police Association said the community must follow the rule of law and police have a right to chase fleeing drivers.
Vice-president Craig Tickelpenny said chasing fleeing drivers was one way the police could act.
“If we don’t follow some of these vehicles, what’s going to happen further on down the track … that is part of the job to keep people safe within the community, and it comes down to people making poor decisions when police actually are just trying to pull them over,” he said.
Mr Tickelpenny said the officer involved was receiving support.
It is the sixth confirmed pursuit-related death this year.
…that’s right folks, the NZ Police have a RIGHT to chase and kill citizens.
It’s so funny isn’t it?
Our authority worship culture that is so intent on giving the Police any power to bash, chase and kill who ever they like just wouldn’t be acceptable in any other public policy field.
The chase policy is flawed.
The training for Police is flawed.
The manner in which the Police constantly cover their own arses is flawed.
Meanwhile NZ citizens continue to die in chases at rates not seen in other developed countries who have genuine checks and balances placed upon Police.
As Brian Rudman points out…
Between October 2016 and September last year, seven deaths and 552 crashes were recorded as a result of police chases. This mayhem is not new. There’s a long history of between one in four and one in five of police pursuits ending in a wrecked car, along with ambulance loads of drivers, passengers and bystanders left maimed or dead. Six people have died in police pursuits in the last five months alone.
Often the chase is triggered by something trivial like a minor traffic infringement.
…the thrill of the chase that the ill trained NZ Police get caught up in is dangerous but because we have a country who refuse point blank to hold them to account we cling viciously to a social policy that continues to kill again and again and again.
You seem a bit more anti
Than usual Martyn, time for a coffee
Authority worship culture giving police power to bash chase and kill whoever they like ? I don’t think so.
If we had an authority worshipping power, then the tragic idiots who get chased, would respond to that worshipped authority and they would stop when required to, whether by the police, or a road-side sign.
Chase policy may need to get reviewed, but if I were a cop I’d sooner have law breakers alive and facing up to their offending and being charged in a court of law instead of splattered over the road and innocent people being killed with them.
Police bashing and killing whoever they like – or dislike – would be criminals themselves, unlikely to remain police, and judged much more harshly than the rest of of us, as they should be.
It’s all down to choices, and the young and drunk or drugged can make totally terrible choices.
“It’s all down to choices, and the young and drunk or drugged can make totally terrible choices”
How can anyone make meaningful, sound decisions if they’re intoxicated?
An unhealthy police culture is a continual issue with numerous inquiries and reviews. These tragedies are preventable and I wonder if the police can work it out.
Scurrilous and inflammatory. You should pity the cops. In many ways they’re the most unfree of all of us. The meat in the nz sandwich is them, give them a break. You just sound hateful. I’m not pro or anti but they are humans too.
20 dead since 2012. Don’t chase a small car loaded with kids and then ask for counselling when someone dies.
These kids might make bad choices but their loss is felt just the same by their families and friends. Some kids get no choice-they ask the driver to stop!!
Why not radio in to base the location and direction. Discreet following at distance. Call for back up and road spikes. Thats still exciting. Its very hard for five kids to hide a stolen car in Wellington-where you gonna go?
4 years ago my fiancé was killed when a stolen car driven by a teenager with 3 of his mates t-boned her car. The police had given up on chasing them the previous night, and they were home free. They still crashed and still killed. Had the police pursued them the night before, they may have stopped them.
I have a different opinion. I think the police tactics are too soft. In some other countries, the police take far more aggressive action to stop cars.
I have no sympathy for parents who lose their children in these crashes. And it’s funny how every single one of these teenagers liked in pursuits are “good kids”. I call BS on that. Take a look at the families these kids come from. You’ll find some common themes among how they were raised. And you’ll find some common themes missing as well.
Bad choices? Murderous choices. Follow at a discreet distance? What an idiotic suggestion. Once they’re away from you, tell me how on earth you do something about it?
You’re on the wrong side of this argument Martyn. When you’ve lost someone to these murderous idiots, come and tell me how they should be left to continue on and wreck their havoc on innocent people.
I have used unmarked cars and done covert surveillance on licensed premises and for other situations. I have also been a passenger in a police car chasing a car at high speed on the open road. (Im sure that wouldn’t be authorised these days-I wasn’t police) Discreet tracking is a very effective way to follow someone without their knowledge, gather information on their actions and whereabouts and ultimately (for the police) apprehend someone. I would suggest 99% of pursuits start within 2-3 seconds of the sound of the siren. If you are unsure of how you would track someone watch the show called Fugitive where the police track and catch people on the run all over Britain (a bit larger than central Wellington). Often the help of the public is used and surveillance cameras in urban areas. Five wet behind the ears kids with five phones-each traceable by GPS-exact locations to 4 metres (if the driver owns the car). Could go on-not an expert-not hard I woulda thought. The anger in your post is understandable and Im sorry for your loss, but I think there is enough grief out there without needlessly creating more. The value placed on the life of a kid shouldn’t be based on his upbringing/poor parenting etc-I for one will never believe the kid cramped in the boot of that car deserved to die and I feel very sad for his family.
discreet tracking? what are you on! When you have a car load of yobbos doing 120 Kph even when they are not being chased. Another armchair admiral with all the answers
Gazza big fella I think yer rugger mates might be right ay.
I lived for years as a kiwii in Canada and then they had this issue aklso and it was esculating, so a brave MP passed a law to prohibit police chases in city limits especially and the death rate declined so dramaticaly then.
Instead they now have methods of tagging vehicles with ways to track them later for evidence.
We need to get smart not stupid here as inocent folks are dying without any solution because as we saw in Canada the death rate will continue to rise if police chases continue.
and do tell us all, what are these methods of tracking vehicles?
And when they aren’t pursued and they still crash?
Those bubbly babies. Those good kids. May they each wear their Darwin Awards with pride…
The survivors? No free Friday and Saturday nights. Let them each travel with an ambulance crew, or park inconspicuously at the local A&E to soberly see, hear, smell the results of ‘getting/being wasted’. And skip the ‘counselling’. That’s what they and their anti-hero friends inflicted on people who turn up to collect the remains and treat the mangled.
PS – we all did crazy and stupid things when we were kids, for sure. But somewhen since then respect was demanded yet seldom given. Funny that. ha ha. Not.
Shit Martin, your hatred for the Police really comes through loud and clear in this piece of rubbish.
But why stop with car chases, foot pursuits should be banned in case the offender has a heart attack. And lets stop them arresting people in case the stress causes an anxiety attack.
I knew a few cops through rugby, all descent guys, trying hard and not intent on killing anyone. They had a saying which really applies to your attitude in this piece, “you cant argue with a crazy mind”
That’s unfair Gary, I’m also hateful towards the sleepy hobbits of muddle Nu Zilind who allow such total unaccountability to go unchecked.
I laugh so hard when I read many of the comments here.
Here’s what you all seem to be missing.
1 – human beings frontal lobes are not developed fully until the early 20s, that is the decision making part of your brain that allows you to consider the consequences of your actions. Teenagers react, they don’t think and that is what exacerbates the dangerous chase policy.
2 – Other countries with a more mature culture understand that driving infringements aren’t a good enough reason to chase people to death, sadly NZ is an immature and juvenile culture that only understands ‘respect my authority’ style public policy.
3 – Somewhere along the line we stopped using empirical evidence to shape public policy and allowed fear and anger to warp public policy and make it spiteful. We see this in public policy over prisoners, beneficiaries, the mentally ill and police policy. It doesn’t matter how many times we show you the facts that police chase policy in NZ is killing people and that other countries don’t go down that path, you all scream ‘I don’t care what the facts say, hunt em down’.
4 – We see the exact same dynamics play out with NZ Police shooting citizens, despite all the science and facts that show NZ cops are killing at a rate far higher than they should, we still allow them to have grossly undertrained police access to guns without question.
We are an authority worship culture that blindly allows the Police any power they like. We rolled over and gave them vast search and surveillance powers they abused, we turn a blind eye when they shoot to kill and we readily agree for them to continue flawed chase policies that kill all because we don’t have the capacity to step back and review the facts. Our cultural cringe towards the allowing Police any power required to quell the natives is a hang up from our Colonial past. White settlers turned a blind eye to brutal tactics used by the mounted constabulary when they came to town to bash restless Maori on the fringes of settlements.
Nothing has changed.
Rather than religiously defending the Police people should read a bit more.
And what you forget is the majority of New Zealanders want a tougher stand on crime. That has been proven time and time again. The bottom line is you have a hatred of cops who are doing their best to keep us all safe, and that includes from from teenage yobbos with underdeveloped frontal lobes.
You’re a real academic charlatan eh. Think you fucken know it. Think you’ve got all the easy answer because it makes you feel better. Nah my boy. This government is not trying to make a 3rd world society. A 3rd world society has a lot of unemployable people. In the 3rd world people are useless to government & have no human rights & have no value because they don’t contribute to making profit to the rich. Unemployable don’t even clean the riches floors because they’re not even needed for anything. And this is another reason why trickle economics doesn’t fucken works. So what you have been saying for the last 3 years that I know is, because the unemployable don’t contribute to the wealth production of the rich, what you’ve been saying we do with them is coup em up in motel slums which is your soft version of a concentration camp and if that doesn’t work you reckon we should put em in jail which is a counterpart in wealthy societies to death squads in a 3rd world society.
Incidentally crime is not going up as far as any of the evidence is concerned. If you believe police themselves crime is very low, they couldn’t empress on how great a job they’re doing to keep crime very low. They’ve even gone as far as falsifying statistics to make it as though crime is very low. So the prison system you want for New Zealand is literally a war on a part of the population you don’t want, who are apart of the population who used to be workers or at least had opportunities to work but now they have no rights because you don’t need that any more because you can get them cheaper from some other country. So you brilliant fucken plan is to get rid of them and though them in jail. This is a large part of what this governments labour reform policy is about.
You know where you see risk I see growth, value and profit. You’re enlightened person, you’re no leader, you don’t know business or the economy. You have nothing to offer. You have no idea. And worst of all you’re delusional. You sir ought to be committed to a mental asylum.
Ok my son?
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