In 2016, the NZ Palestine Human Rights Campaign publicly set up a billboard that displayed two maps, one of British mandate Palestine in 1947 and another of Israel and the Israeli-Occupied Palestinian territories in 2016. The Advertising Standards Authority responded to four complaints about the display by finding that it was “unlikely to mislead.” However, on 22 June 2017, a writer for the Whale Oil website, SB, called the maps “misleading”, referred to them as a “map of lies” and suggested that they were “one of many distortions, anti-Semitic attacks and backlashes . . .”
The writer‘s comment concerning the billboard’s 1947 map actually confirmed its authenticity and correctness by noting that “At that time, the land was under British control as part of the Mandate of Palestine.” The land shown in the map is indeed Palestine and recognised as such internationally. The UN Partition plan allotted 55% of Palestine for the establishment of the Zionist state but the Zionists were not content with that and their developing project has taken evermore Palestinian land. The billboard’s 2016 map illustrates the expanded Zionist control over what is left of Palestine. Jewish author, Anna Baltzer, explains the truth about Israeli Occupation and what it’s like to live as a Palestinian in a video:Life in Occupied Palestine. Among other things, the video describes howpregnant Palestinian women, on their way to hospital, have been forced insteadto give birth at Israeli checkpoints, sometimes with fatal results. Over 80% of Israel’s annexation Wall does not even touch the Israeli border but extends far into West Bank Palestinian land.
The video shows the town of Qalqiliya completely surrounded, as are many other places in Palestine, by Israel’s Wall, which extends from the settlements to the very edge of Palestinian built-up areas. The surrounding farmland and open areas are taken for the settlements. Palestinian farmers are losing their livelihoods on land their families have held for generations. The Wall bars access to the religious centres of both Christians and Muslims. Also to be seen in the video is a Palestinian home completely surrounded by Israeli Army fences. Movement from and to the property is completely under the control of Israeli soldiers.
Israel’s imposition of illegal settlements outside its borders and brutal military control of the Palestinian people are war crimes. They are violations of international law that demand the urgent imposition of UN sanctions designed to bring Israel to account.
Before 1947 and a Palestine predominantly inhabited by Muslims it was predominantly Christian and before that predominantly Jewish. 1947 is simply a ‘snap-shot’ in time and seems to suggest that prior to 1947 Palestine was always Muslim and that is simply not the case. Each has forcibly taken Palestine from the other (by force and inclusive of the Muslims taking Palestine from the Christian Byzantines) and Palestine being again predominantly Jewish is simply this process turning full-circle.
For the record I am not Jewish and have no links with anyone who is Jewish . .
James Brown,your knowledge of the history of Palestine is woeful to the point that elaborating on your ignorance would be a waste of time.”I’m right” is obviously an admirer of Israels ethnic cleansing apartheid colonialism.Both of you are complicit in war crimes by your support for such a vile regime!!
Israel is a democratic country surrounded by theocratic muslim run countries. How many jewish people live in palestine, or surrounding arab countries and how many muslims/arabs live in Israel? No need to take your calculator out, the answer to the former is 0 and the latter is tens of thousands at least. Soooo remind me who are the aparthide state agin?
Made so by a huge influx of European Jews and active Jewish policies of exclusion.
Since when are Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan “theocratic” in their governments???
Imright, Iraq wasn’t a theocracy before the US launched its illegal invasion. Post-invasion saw the rise of Islamic State.
Iran wasn’t a theocracy until the US toppled Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953, installing a despotic Shah , which in turn led to an uprising and allowing the mullahs to take over.
Notice a pattern here?
Do some historical research and educate yourself. Otherwise we just laugh at your ignorance.
Historian Pete – If any of what I written is incorrect please feel free to illuminate me rather than simply stating that I am ignorant (which seems a bit of a cop out to be honest).
More than happy to be corrected if in fact it transpires that the Jewish people / Christians have not in fact lived in Palestine before it became predominantly Muslim.
Also have to admit being accused of being complicit in war crimes is also a 1st for me.
The Battle of Yarmouk was a major battle between the army of the Byzantine Empire and the Muslim Arab forces of the Rashidun Caliphate. The battle consisted of a series of engagements that lasted for six days in August 636, near the Yarmouk River, along what today are the borders of Syria–Jordan and Syria–Israel, east of the Sea of Galilee. The result of the battle was a complete Muslim victory which ended Byzantine rule in Syria. The Battle of Yarmouk is regarded as one of the most decisive battles in military history,[7][8] and it marked the first great wave of early Muslim conquests after the death of Muhammad, heralding the rapid advance of Islam into the then Christian Levant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk
Could provide detail of Jewish occupation of Palestine prior to it becoming predominantly Christian but not sure this is necessary?
James Brown, Oh FFS, of course Palestine was populated by Palestinian Arabs, not Jews. Otherwise, you pillock, why was it necessary for tens of thousands of Jews to migrate to Palestine to create the Zionist state?? If they were there already, migration wouldn’t have been an issue, right??
You pro-Zionist apologists are a joke.
I’m not pro-Zionist I am just highlighting that the map shown above is simply a ‘snap-shot in time’ and I believe incorrectly suggests that Palestine has always been predominantly Muslim so therefore should be again (which is incorrect).
I have also suggested that personally some mechanism to enable Jewish / Muslim / Christian people to fairly share Palestine would be the ideal but it seems your ‘lynch mob’ mentality prevents your considering anything that doesn’t correspond with your own opinions.
Yeah, millions of Jews were there already. So all those migration ships weren’t carrying Jewish settlers, right? Must’ve been filled with NZ chilled sheep meat, I guess
20th Century events dominate what path has been taken to evict native people from this land.
WWI conquest of the Ottoman Empire by Britain followed by Zionist over throw of the British protectorate using power of money and political control. An orchestrated manipulation of international military to achieve Zionist ends. NZ took part with a British Israelite Prime Minister throwing young NZ ders to their death for Zionist ends.
None of that was justified nor internationally agreed to.
Zionists have no need to comply with anyone as the world banking system is under their control and the US also, as their attack dog.
Force does not justify force. Centuries old stories are not a just foundation of criminal genocide.
Problem is, that those Jews that established the state of Israel were Zionists, most of them from Europe and North America, who had lived in the so called diaspora for centuries, hence it was more like an invasion, as we are not talking about local Jews, who have lived there for long times.
100%
So they hold it by sword-right? That idea is perfectly understandable for a student of the Scottish Highland clans. Yet the clans also wanted a deed as well from the far away king in Edinburgh. For the purpose of Israel, call him the god of moral right.
Oh, of course not, “James Brown”. You just ‘happened’ to be browsing the internet for the latest Beyonce vids and happened to come across Leslie’s blogpost. Sheer coincidence, huh?
But really, “James Brown”, why have bothered to comment on this issue? For someone with no ‘skin in the game’ (as our American cuzzies so eloquently put it), you certainly appear very, very eager to mitigate illegal Israeli expansion and occupation of Palestinian land.
My name is litterally James Brown and I am a NZer who lives in Helensville. Suppose easier to imagine I am someone I am not rather than try and refute the accuracy of what I have written. Personally I have no issue with Muslim Palestinians sharing Palestine with the Jewish Israelis either but looks like everyone is jumping to conclusions about who I am and what I believe.
#FreePalestine #BDS #IsraelApartheidState
Still hating on them Jew’s eh Leslie?. The ME problem will not be solved in your lifetime, but will be in mine…Israel will defeat any aggressor and will take over neighbouring countries with the help of the west, this will be good thing for the ME!
Them and us. Where is a sane humanity in such a world.
To IM Right: Tell that to Jewish author, Anna Baltzer.
Just want to say. You guys are way. way. way to nice to swamp creatures.
There are many many Jews who absolutely deplore the Zionist project
How different in principle is a Jewish state from an Islamic caliphate
Aggression does not solve any problems, in your lifetime or mine.
Of course there are many, the Jews are one of the great peoples of the earth. Would expect nothing less. And I understand and sympathize for every step of their way in Israel/Palestine. Yet it amounts to a wrong. And every wrong is a great wrong.
Maybe Leslie just dislikes ZIONISTS, but not Jews in general?
of course thats what Leslie is saying
My reply was to IM right who imagines Leslie is a jew-hater
Is it disliking Zionist or disliking what they have done to others and the principle of them being allowed to rule with deadly ruthless unrestrain.
Chosen – psychopathy.
That sounds very aggressive to the point of fascism, Imright…
To i’m wrong, Hitler had a similar passion.
Wrong! Hitler did what egypt and jordan did and attacked, Israel just repels attackers at the moment. With US and Saudi approval they will destroy Irans nuclear capability and stop them being nuclear capable in the near future.
What a lapdog state,USA sponsorship of Israel is to destabilize the middle east for Western energy needs .Without the USA aid propping up the Israeli the map of the middle east could look quite different.
Actually the 6 day wall is a myth Israeli defense minister Moshe Dayan, the Israeli government lied to the White House about how the war started.
between June 5 and June 10, 1967, Israel invaded and occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. The Six-Day War, as it would later be dubbed, saw the Jewish David inflict a humiliating defeat on the Arab Goliath, personified perhaps by Gamal Abdel Nasser’s Egypt.
“The existence of the Israeli state hung by a thread,” the country’s prime minister, Levi Eshkol, claimed two days after the war was over, “but the hopes of the Arab leaders to annihilate Israel were dashed.” Genocide, went the argument, had been prevented; another Holocaust of the Jews averted.
There is, however, a problem with this argument: It is complete fiction, a self-serving fantasy constructed after the event to justify a war of aggression and conquest. Don’t take my word for it: “The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war,” declared Gen. Matituahu Peled, chief of logistical command during the war and one of 12 members of Israel’s General Staff, in March 1972.
So when does Zionist Israel get rid of their illegal nuclear weapons.
When a nuclear state threatens others they are motivated to arm.
Israel is the aggressor at ever step of the way.
James Brown:Your knowledge of Palestinian history is so woeful that elaborating on it would be a waste of time. “I’m right ” is obviously a supporter of the ethnic cleansing apartheid Israel .Both of you are complicit in war crimes committed by such a vile regime.
The map at the top of this page is BS.
This is a short video showing all the border changes since the end of the 19th century:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgCjAo3NT8o
The Arabs living in today’s West Bank and Gaza have been under the rule of the Ottomans, the British, Egyptians (for Gaza), Jordanians and now Israelis.
At no point was ‘Palestine’ a country.
So, does that make it ok to deprive them of their place of birth and their culture.
At no point before 1840 was New Zealand a country, I suppose?
When Zionist colonisation got fully under way in the early 20c, Palestinian Arabs had comprised well over 90% of the population of
what is now Israel and the Occupied Territories for more than 1300 years
That’s all you need to know
Out by about 500 years Swordfish, Christians were a majority in Palestine from 5th – end of 12th century and Jews before that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
Leslie, please. We know your views. Repeating ad nauseam does not help.
If it’s the truth, Tom, it may need to be repeated until people understand the meaning of it, and the consequences of Israeli land-grabs of Palestinian land.
James Brown and Im right:If you are really interested in the history of Palestine ,try reading the thoughts of two Jewish authors. Firstly Norman Finklestein,one of the worlds leading experts on the subject.His interest is motivated by the experiences of his parents who were Jewish Holocaust survivors. He was a professor in a U.S. University until he was evicted from his tenure by American Zionist elements.Secondly Miko Peled,who is an Israeli who wrote the book “The Generals Son.” His father was the prime general of the Israeli army involved in the formation of Israel ,who came to radically disagree with the direction of events. Needless to say, his description of events in the wars he was a general in differs markedly with the concocted false narrative put out by the Israeli authorities.I rather doubt either of you will,you would rather keep your false narrative written by zionist war criminals !!!
Again directly avoiding my question, read my first comment and if any of it is factually incorrect please point out why.
“James Brown”, for someone who is “not Jewish and have no links with anyone who is Jewish”, you’ve certainly made a great deal of effort to put the Israeli side on this issue…
Only a fraction of the time you spend expressing your opinion on absolutely anything Frank.
If you want to solve the problems of history there is unlimited scope . Every useful inch of the planet was once the preserve of people who were forcibly evicted from it or summarily slaughtered . Seeking present day justice or ordinary humanity by analysing who was there first, or last, or longest gets us nowhere toward improving the future.
The wrongs being committed now are what we should be able to address; and look at us.
D J S
well said!!
James Brown:In the 1920’s the Jewish population of Palestine was about 8%. The British and U.S Empire arranged through the League of nations [the white mans club] to dismember Palestine without any reference to the Palestinian inhabitants . 55% of the land was given to the Jews ,although the givers had no legal right to do so except by the rule of Force. If you read the book “the Generals Son” as I suggest ,you would be aware that the narrative of plucky Israel beset by belligerent Arabs is simply propaganda; a rewriting of history to suit the victor.In most cases Israel started the wars.And of course the Israelis didn’t stop at 55%. They greedily stole land until they had taken 82%.And the illegal settlements swallow up more and more of Palestinian land as we speak. Israel is not a democracy.It has been proclaimed a Jewish state. If you are not a Jew you have limited rights.Ipso facto it cannot be described as a democracy. It is instead an apartheid state and the IDF act like Hitlers Gestapo to the Palestinians.The apartheid of Israel is worse than the apartheid that existed in South Africa. If you are a sociopath of course ,well none of that matters. If you are for freedom and democracy ,for international law, for decency,you are likely to be sickened by the abomination that Israel has become.It is a supreme irony that a people who were subjected to the Holocaust would in their turn do similar to another people!!!
Whether Palestine was 8% Muslim in 1920 (which I am sure it was) the fact remains that it was predominantly Christian before the Muslims took it by force and it was predominantly Jewish before that. The ideal compromise I imagine is for all three to share Palestine in a similar way that Bosnia is shared between Serbia / Croat / Muslim however whether that is a viable option I am not sure.
Also very easy for those of us who do not live there or have ever been there (which includes me) to pass judgement on what should or should not be happening in Palestine.
Paid Hasbara trolls get payed very well by rich zionist billionaires And I lived in Israel with relatives off and on as a young adult so have inside knowledge of a sicko society where racism is fertile and settlers are the most scariest bunch of people if I would call them that I have ever meet!! They have no shame in expressing their hatred for people other then their tribal affiliation or in this case Ashkenazi white Jews ??
And revisionist like yourself don’t have a problem with sprouting propaganda (Hasbara) to satisfy your employer and obfuscate the truth to defend the indefensible and Palestinian are also Semites and are Indigenous to that area
You’re not a jew or Israeli but yet you’re devoting a shitload of time defending the zionist state. Why is that James Brown?? What’s your skin in this game???
It’s a sham you don’t express the same concern for Palestinians who’ve been displaced by zionist imperialism.
Support of justice for Palestinian victims is not, and never anti Semitic.
Again if anyone can refute the historical accuracy of my initial comment please feel free to finally do so. My real name is James Brown / I am a NZer and despite your fancifal musings I am not in the paid employ of Isreal or operating under an assumed name out of Tel Aviv. I am just someone who doesn’t agree with how some of these comments are framed etc.
Of course showing Palestine 1947 will come to that conclusion. Palestine itself was created in 1917, Jordan created in 1922, Israel in 1948. Three countries which historically did not exist.
The strange thing is, when the Islamic empire was on the go anyone who didn’t convert had to pay a poll tax. Many paid the tax and were employed as administrators, book keepers etc., while the sword wavers were rampaging and plundering. Christianity had been set up as a more moderate and compliant Jewish reform away from pharasaical dogmas and the extremist anti Roman foamings as evidenced in The War Scroll of the Dead Sea Scroll discovery and it was mainly Jews who were the first Christians. The first five or six popes were Jewish.
Then round about 800 CE an Abbisad Caliph whose name escapes me, announced that there had to be more to life and economics than plundering and proposed other tactics which were well received. The draw back was that he also announced that only those who were Muslim could be employed. At that there were wholesale conversions
Many Persians fled to India where they are known as Parsees.
So, there could be Muslim blood lines which were once Christian and before that Jewish.
I did read, that under the Ottoman Empire Jews and Arabs lived peacefully together and I once heard in a documentary, an anguished Palestinian man say that his grandmother and her Jewish friends had minded after each other’s children.
I also read that Jews who had always lived in the area wrote to leaders in the West begging them not to allow the Zionists in.
One of the books was by Rodney Colombe called ‘The Rise and Fall of the Arab Empire’ the other was Douglas Reed’s ‘The Controversy of Zion’ which was a bit of a difficult pill to swallow but as history pans out he may not have been so far off the mark.
Rodney Colombe threw in the interesting history of the phrase anti-semitism. Apparently a German Jewish scholar in about 1889 was casting about for a Latinised word to describe a family of languages and he hit on the word semitic. The family of languages was Arabic.
This is as much a criticism of me, the high comment rate here because of the foreign glamour of Israel/Palestine, and when we have done the same to Maori. My history teacher couldn’t enthuse me about the NZ past. It is always easier (and fun) to kick over the obviously (and not us) wrong. It is a vital, and vile, element of politics( have to say, e.g. Springbok Tour). I suppose we edge up to the light somehow.
Prominent U.S. Jewish scholar Nathan Glazer warned the U.S. on Israel more than forty years ago.
“History has so arranged matters that the Jews of Israel and the Jews of the United States are more closely linked and more desperately linked than they ever thought possible. According to the theories of Zionism, and until some time after the state of Israel was created, it was believed that Israel would serve as a cultural center for world Jewry, would revitalize Jewish education, culture, and religion in the diaspora, and –in the more political formulations of Zionism—would serve as a refuge for Jews and a supporter of Jewish interests in the world. It was expected that the Jews of the United States and other countries of the Diaspora would provide financial support for the upbuilding of Israel. In measure, things have worked out as expected. What was not expected, was that events would so develop that the United States would end up the last support for Israel, and that American Jews would thereby become crucial for the Jews of Israel.”
https://israelpalestinenews.org/1976-nathan-glazer-wrote-supporting-israel-u-s-interests-largely-driven-jewish-americans/
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