Of course the US Election was rigged and here’s the evidence

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Trump was a far better propagandist than the mainstream media understood.

For those working class people who have seen their factories closed and jobs exported away by free trade deals, who are limited to the Army or stripping to get ahead, they know the system is rigged against them.

Trump’s constant use of it was a rallying cry for every voter who feels the system is rigged against them. Hillary getting away with breaches of security and the wikileaks that showed how rigged the Democratic selection process was, only strengthened in real time this sense of being cheated.

The horrifying truth however is far more cruel and sadistic than any Trump conspiracy fuelled by the Alt-Right.

Greg Palats is an old school gumshoe reporter whose work has been some of the best investigative work on the money that powers Washington. He is the Author of the best selling Best Democracy Money Can Buy and his work is considered the benchmark when it comes to understanding the real interests within American politics.

His work this election has been damning in terms of highlighting just how rigged the American Election really was.

Republicans purged electoral rolls in all the battleground States Trump needed to win. The numbers are damning.

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Republicans have been crosschecking voter names and purging them from the polls under the guise of voter fraud and they had a damaging impact on the final result..

  • Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107 – Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922.
  • Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257 – Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
  • Trump victory margin in NorthCarolina: 177,008 – North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
  • Trump victory margin in  Wisconsin: 27,000 – Wisconsin Crosscheck purge list: 300,000

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Add to this outright rigging of the system is the fact Hillary won the popular vote while Republicans cleansed voter rolls in the electoral college states that help win Trump the election.

Progressives have every reason to be furious that a sexist cretin like Trump was elected. What they need to do now is reach out to the working whites who were manipulated into voting for him with policies that will actually curb the neoliberalism that is making working people turn to Trump.

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    • We saw it last time. On collecting special votes, two of our (non-Nat) official vote collectors visited a nursing home. One hearing vote collectors were there for a few, large numbers came forward to fill out affidavits to cast their votes. It seems when visited earlier, the home neglected to wake snoozing residents or inform everyone, so only a few were expected. Naturally the home for elderly working-class, was run by right-leaning business folk. Other people are afraid to enroll thinking if they list an address they will be subject to harassment by police, creditors, or DSW (or whatever it is, Winz?) for overdue fines, debts, etc. Prisoners get no vote–the majority of prisoners are Maori. Homeless rarely register. And don’t get me started on religions (though they’d probably have elected the conservative woman abuser).

    • Quite probably, the Hat/Maori/Act/UF will fail to win the popular vote (i.e. less than 50% of party vote) and MMP (our version of the Electoral College) will parlay that minority at the ballot into a majority in the House through a mix of wasted votes and electorate seat gaming.

  2. Those rolls were purged of people who were not entitled to vote:

    Dead people
    People from other states
    Non citizens
    People with multiple registrations, you know like Martin & say Martyn

    What you’re saying is that Democrat cheating was constrained

    [Andrew, you have come very close to a very long ban. One more like that and I will do it. – ScarletMod]

      • I would like to see the reasons for the purge. If Andrew’s post is false, expose it.

        Most of us have a limited understanding of the US system.

        • David
          There is a link in the sixth paragraph; “His work this election” (blue hypertext). That will take you to Palast more recent piece – which adds more about exit poll discrepencies.

          Exit polls are the standard by which the US State Department measures the honesty of foreign elections. Exit polling is, historically, deadly accurate. The bane of pre-election polling is that pollsters must adjust for the likelihood of a person voting. Exit polls solve the problem…
          The polls in Florida in 2000 were accurate. That’s because exit pollsters can only ask, “How did you vote?” What they don’t ask, and can’t, is, “Was your vote counted.”

          Before the election, there was this article in Rolling Stone which goes into more detail on Crosscheck:

          the data we received from the Crosscheck Program showed that in the 2012 general election, there were 35,750 people who voted in North Carolina whose first and last names and dates of birth matched persons who voted in the same election in another state.”] Yet despite hiring an ex-FBI agent to lead the hunt, the state has charged exactly zero double voters from the Crosscheck list. Nevertheless, tens of thousands face the loss of their ability to vote – all for the sake of preventing a crime that rarely happens. So far, Crosscheck has tagged an astonishing 7.2 million suspects, yet we found no more than four perpetrators who have been charged with double voting or deliberate double registration.

          http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

          • I am a bit sceptical of conspiracy theories no matter where they come from: Trump or others.
            My understanding is that state by state voting procedures in America is variable. I.D or no I.D for example. Cross-checking as a procedure should be standard for any lists, I would have thought. Unless there is fraud involved, any suggestions of that?

            We really need legal challenges to verify the claims. There is no shortage of donors that can bankroll it, if there is any truth to it. Haven’t heard of any challenges as yet in the mainstream media.

            Otherwise, it sounds like sore loser talk.

            • David
              Palast’s objection to the biased purging of voter rolls is long standing, dating back to at least 2000. Also 2004, plus 2008 and 2012 where despite Obama being elected, the technique was still useful to assure Republican dominance in the legislature. His argument is well documented over these years. But it’s difficult to mount a legal challenge against those who write the laws.

              You’d think the Democrats would be all for investigating this. But it seems that the current DNC is fine with voter exclusion when it suits them, so aren’t too keen to shine too much light on others’ methods.

                • Gerrymandering is the manipulation of electorate boundaries to favour the party of the officials doing so. Caging is the exclusion of voters from the roll for the same reason. Both are forms of voter suppression.

                  From the OP link (which you should read):

                  Col. Jay Delancy, whom I’ve tracked for years has previously used this vote thievery, known as “caging,” for years. Doubtless the caging game was wider and deeper than reported. And by the way, caging, as my Rolling Stone co-author, attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr., tells me, is “a felony, it’s illegal, and punishable by high fines and even jail time.”

          • Greg Palast was simply wrong!

            ‘Exit Poll Data is Simply Not an Accurate Predictor of Vote Totals’

            http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/2016-exit-polls-did-hillaty-clinton-win-presidential-election-voter-fraud-donald-trump-lose-rigged/

            …”Statisticians say that exit poll data, while well-intentioned, is inherently flawed as a way to predict final vote totals. Due to the need to compile nearly instantaneous results, exit pollsters rely on statistical models that may be outdated by the time an election rolls around.

            “Edison developed its statistical models months before the vote, and long before there were any pre-election polls suggesting which candidate was likely to win a given race,” wrote Joshua Holand earlier this year in The Nation magazine. “Conspiracy theorists would have you believe that a corrupt wizard is sitting behind the curtains, making decisions about how to weight the data as the results come in order to cover up election theft. The reality is that Edison has a bunch of statistical models that have been sitting on a computer since last fall, and they plug information into them as it comes in.”

            Statistician Nate Cohn of The New York Times Upshot has also warned of the unreliability of exit poll data.

            “Exit polls are an exciting piece of Election Day information. They’re just not perfect. The problem with them is that most analysts and readers treat them as if they’re infallible,” Cohn wrote in 2014. “Once you realize that the exit polls aren’t perfect and start to ask yourself which results are actually right, it becomes clear that a lot of exit poll findings don’t quite work.”

            While exit polling in other countries is often used as a method to check the accuracy of final totals and to detect fraud, those polls differ in significant respects from methods used in American election exit polls. For example, Holland explained, exit polls in other countries consist of only two questions in many cases, rather than the cumbersome list of 20 questions — or more — on U.S. exit polls.

            The shorter polls lead to significantly higher rates of response, creating a larger sample size which gives a much better indicator of what the final result will be.”

        • It’s all ceremonial at this stage because Hillary conceded unless you want to take a president to court who is hand picking Supreme Court judges that that rule on constitutional matters.

      • arizona and north carolina are usually republican voting states. michigan usually votes democrat. michigan has 32 electoral votes.
        the assumption being made (i think) is that all those voters that were purged would have voted for clinton?

        highly unlikely.

        what change does the above make to the result?

        bugger all.

    • Why suggest that a different view should be banned. I agree with Andrew. In this election Trump was the lessor of two evils. The democrats connived to promote him as the opposition rather than Jeb Bush etc. as they thought he would be an easy beat. This has been shown by Wikileaks. Apparently the Russian Duma cheered when Trump won, not because they were conspiring to rig the election as Hillary claimed, but because they would hopefully no longer be put in the difficult position of having to shoot down US planes that would have attacked Assad’s airforce and a predictable huge escalation in conflict by the USA. The democrats have had many laudable philosophies and policies but under Obama and Clinton’s neocon regime they have been duplicitous and self serving. Withdrawing from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty to name but one.

    • “People with multiple registrations, you know like Martin & say Martyn.”

      Gotta give you credit on that, Andrew – I think we are all happy in the knowledge that there is only one of you.

  3. Most of the “whites” that voted for Trump in the US are likely to resemble our “Waitakere Man” species of a voter.

    So if they choose to rely on information that they want to believe in, even if much may be “alt right” kind of info, and as long as they choose to be bigoted in various ways, not opening up for progressive thinking, there is little chance for change.

    The problem in the US was that Clinton was seen as too establishment friendly, too much of a professional career politician, and Washington and New York beltway candidate. That kept too many at home who had reason enough to at least stop Trump, and rather vote for a lesser evil.

    Bernie may not have made it either, but the Democrats better sort their own mess out, or ideally a new progressive movement starts off there now, and then the future may offer better results.

    Too many that may have voted Obama before stayed home, and Trump managed to motivate enough to just have enough votes to win the electoral college vote, he failed to win the popular vote.

    And the system is rigged anyway, as it is a money and influence competition in the US, more than here or in many other places. Look at the big money behind the candidates. Trump has his own wealth, he did not need Wall Street and Co.

    But what a “saviour” is such a rich, self centred, narcissist prick? He will cater for the ones he likes, and feels close to, nobody else. The poor will be shafted anyway.

      • I’ll share my ideas I wrote in the questionnaire on how to make America Great again.

        1) repatriate $5 trillion corporate cash, 2) disband NATO, 3) close half US foreign military bases, 4) golf

      • No Frank it dosnt make me pause, Trump is trying to include everyone openly.
        If Clinton had won , she wouldnt be strong physically or mentally to run the country,the shadow govt would be behind her telling her what to do as they did during the election.
        A certain person is paying thugs to riot and destroy and the sheep like college people follow suit.protesting,that certain person is enraged that his wishes werent fullfilled, so trying to stop the proccess.
        If Clinton had won ,we would be at war with Russia within months,plenty of money to be made by the arms trade etc.TPP would be enacted straight away, Key would be pleased!
        If Clinton had won, her sense of entitlement would know no bounds, her taking of money through her “foundation”would increase, USA would be in total control of Establishment ,Illuminati , call it what you will.
        The people would worse off because Clinton is in it for the money .Trump is in it because he wants to rescue USA.he dosnt need money ,he has a good lifestyle.
        Clinton told a lot of lies and set up people to makeTrump look bad, and gullible people who were habitual Democrats went along with it,all the colleges are Democrat run by politically correct proffessors, who allow student to call the shots, and give them the same sense of entitlement as Clinton has.
        The MSM was guided by the shadow govt,so sure that the Dems would win,Trump fought a hard battle but won,and USA will be better for it .

  5. If this is the case then I’m not sure how to mesh this with Trump’s pre-election warnings about rigged polls and how he would take it to court if he lost.
    He might have been bluffing all along, but he also might have known what was occurring in those swing states and he was trying to operate a smokescreen to divert attention from it.
    It is also possible, as some pundits believe, that Trump didn’t actually think he would win and that his victory came as something of a (pleasant) shock.
    One thing that we tend to forget about America. It is called the United States of America for good reason. It is not really one country, the way we tend to think it is. It is actually 50 little countries allied together.
    The states jealously guard their rights to do things their own way because they have always done that.
    (On that subject I have seen suggestions that Californians are considering breaking away from the union!)
    When you get 50 different ways of conducting an election for the same position, you are bound to get problems, confusion and corruption.

  6. 1.You can shut up about Hilary winning the popular vote now Martin. Because she didn’t. After the final count was taken.
    2.the rolls were purged because they needed purging. Dead people etc.
    3. Read this on Zerohedge;

    “Personally, I find this hilarious. She schemes and connives to push forward the most “unelectable” republican, and that republican wins mostly because she vastly understimates the dislike of americans for her.”

    Could there be a more fitting slap in the face to someone of such enormous hubris and arrogance?”

    For me this neatly sums up the situation. Oh alright here’s the article.http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-12/martin-armstrong-exposes-real-clinton-conspiracy-which-backfired-dramatically
    4. Heard of Wiki leaks by chance? Emails?

    • Winifred Kindle, perhaps you’d like some facts with that bile?

      I don’t particularly like Clinton. except in comparison to Trump. And after how the Democrats treated Sanders, it is ironic that she was herself the victim of electoral rigging. However, she is still ahead in the national vote; 60,981,118 (47.8%) to 60,350,241 (47.3%) votes. Though this is unable to be the final result yet, as not all votes have been counted.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/elections/?gclid=CL66i9PsptACFYaYvAodAgMIMw

      • So you still maintain the electoral rigging in favour of Trump is a fact?

        Clinton in comparison to Trump. You really need to get off your high horse again and do some research about what Clinton has done. Try wikileaks and emails as a beginning point. Then look up Bengazi and Libya. google; “We came, we saw, he died”. And research how that piece of ‘amusement’ came about. Then go to Whitewater. And how many people who have crossed her have died in ‘unusual’ circumstances. Don’t forget to look up ‘Clinton Foundation.’ Find out how much the deal to sell arms to Saudi Arabia was worth and then find out who supplies ISIS with arms. Find out what her public and private faces look like by reading the speeches she was paid to give to the big banks.

        Re the popular vote. What has that got to do with anything anyhow? Trump won the election according to the American electoral system. But here are some sources for questioning that rhetoric; http://archive.is/jrchI#selection-603.0-619.395 and Infowars connected to ‘cleaning the rolls’ meme; All with as much authority to as far as I am concerned as the Washington Post. http://archive.is/jrchI#selection-603.0-619.395.

        Trump isn’t my cup of tea either. But to hear and read about people bleating on because the evil Clinton lost is puzzling. I would have voted for Jill Stein, but obviously then been blamed for Clinton losing the election. But hey Stein, Comey, Putin, the Deplorables, poor uneducated white racists or that the Republicans (who were more likely to support Clinton) rigged the election. Blame who you like. The reason she lost is because people don’t like her.

          • Chooky
            The Kaiser Report is always good value – though I’m a bit behind on it, so will catch that episode in sequence.

            I called WK’s comment; “bile”, because I thought that was less confrontational than; “bullshit”. Perhaps; “crap produced from an overproduction of bile”, would have been a better description…

            But that’s not the important bit to me. What is important is that; WK made the claim that Trump won the final count of the popular vote. This is untrue as the count is even now unfinalised.

            Truth might not be important to WK; “Re the popular vote. What has that got to do with anything anyhow?” (after she introduced the topic), & “Infowars… as much authority to as far as I am concerned as the Washington Post”. But I thought it did once mean something to you.

            • “bullshit” is a better word…and I dont even think what was said was “bullshit”…what WK said is more like the “truth” imo

              bile (bīl)
              n.
              1. A bitter, alkaline, brownish-yellow or greenish-yellow fluid that is secreted by the liver, stored in the gallbladder, and discharged into the duodenum and aids in the emulsification, digestion, and absorption of fats. Also called gall1.
              2. Bitterness of temper; ill humor; irascibility.
              3. Either of two bodily humors, black bile or yellow bile, in ancient and medieval physiology.

              (…and btw arent you splitting hairs?…Trump won where it counted…even although the popular vote was/is too close to call …so dont suggest that “truth ” means nothing to me…because I am beginning to have doubts about you )

                • You are right chooky, its funny how the Democrats won elections many times over the years, this time they lost ,so they believe if the popular vote could be the decider they would have won.I believe democrats brought in electoral college decider, all through the election it was stated Clinton had a big lead on electoral college votes and everyone thought she had it in the bag, she was happy to go along with that until it showed Trump beat her. Some say the real count shows Trump with popular vote win , but hes letting her have some thing to feel good about. Dems only like rules until it goes against them .

              • Compare the statement; “You can shut up about Hilary winning the popular vote now Martin. Because she didn’t. After the final count was taken”, and the definition; “Bitterness of temper; ill humor; irascibility”. Looks like a match to me.

                I was stating that truth apparently means nothing to WK. It is good that you still believe in a reality against which statements can be confirmed. Many get down on RT as Russian Propaganda, and they are definitely constrained in what they can report, but I don’t see them as much worse than the BBC. It is foolish to get your information from one source so it’s good to have different perspectives. Though personally I prefer text to video (easier to isolate claims for checking).

                This piece by Russel Brown is good on the Bullshit that WK was spreading. It also explains why she referenced; the Washington Post, in her reply when my source was; the Washington Times (I thought it was just a typo so didn’t get on her case for it then).

                http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/the-fake-news-problem/

    • You can shut up about Hilary winning the popular vote now Martin. Because she didn’t. After the final count was taken.

      Would you care to cite that please.

      Politico has it 60,467,601 to 60,072,551
      Google : 60,981,118 to 60,350,241
      PBS: 60,981,118 to 60,350,241

  7. Sad to see people believing the claim that the removal of voters was due to them being registered is two states, and the doubling of names.

    The process of removing ‘duplicates’ is no different from what the KKK was doing decades ago (and no, I’m not saying the GOP or their voters are comparable to the KKK). It is a strategy that results in minorities being struck off the voting register.

    This strategy of removing voters is laughable – as explained on this podcast: https://soundcloud.com/this-is-hell/924gregpalast

    For the record, I don’t think this affected the outcome. The neoliberals in the Democrat Party need to own this loss…and then they need to disappear. Trump is a buffoon who won’t solve anything – his results will be on par with W Bush because Trump is a nationalistic capitalist. He’s the solution to nothing. It will be funny watching this right-wing populist fail. Lol.

    • “The neoliberals in the democratic party need to own their own loss” Exactly.

      There is no reason why vote-rigging can’t work in both directions.

      More importantly voters in the US are clearly interested in something other than the standard neoliberal candidates. If the Dems had run Bernie, the vote rigging would have been irrelevant.

      I wonder if the Labour party here has learned anything from this and Corbyn’s experience in the UK?

      • For me. The Maori party which I use to support but am now Mana Movement. They don’t listen unless you give them money. What kind of bat shit crazy arrangement is that. They say they do work and all these great things but when I check NZSTATS on a per hour worked bases our people are going backwards.

        So I’m being lied to by my leaders, egnored, they think thier the greatest and I’m trying to reason this with the Kingi calls to unit but it’s just not working.

        All I can say is we put some Mana back into parliament

  8. Martyn is right in that the elections were rigged. Mainly in the primaries, Clinton had the inside running. The superdelegates system is a corruption of their democratic system. Sanders and others had little chance.

  9. This has been going on for more than two years and tends to happen in the conservative red states. https://today.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/FullReportVoterIDJune20141.pdf

    And DJ Trump is absolutely no sweetie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCfaYlRyTGA

    As well as ‘hiring the family’ to fill slots in the transition management process. (Nepotism?)http://yournewswire.com/trump-family-join-transition-team/

    Even our very own ‘Akshully’ hasn’t quite had the nerve to hit our funny bones with a joke of that nature.

  10. Does it really matter who got in, they are both nasty right wingers she is a war mongering liar who consorts with one of the war criminals of last century, Kissinger.

    Clinton was supported by 9 of the top 10 arms manufacturers. What does that say.

    This is a great interview which is worth watching on Clinton who did the biggest arms deal ever done in the world. This was done with Saudi Arabia. You know that nice democracy in the middle east.
    https://www.rt.com/viral/365783-assange-pilger-wikileaks-election/

    I also read somewhere that Obama locked up more people in his tenure than any previous president.

    The system is crooked, there is obscene amounts of money involved and they need MMP but that would never happen in the ‘greatest democracy on earth’!

    • You will be aware that RT is financed by the Russian government, who I dare say, have their own vested interests. So instead of becoming a FAN for them, perhaps sit back and consider, that they have their own bias. We live in times, where ALL media is more or less biased to some degrees, and the only way to find the truth is by reading between the lines, and by sourcing as many diverse media and other sources, to get information on matters.

      Those siding with either CNN, RT or Al Jazeera, BBC and so forth, you are ALL in for being informed on some kind of bias, it may not always appear to be so, but much bias is very subtle.

      Hillary was a bad choice and has enough issues herself, but some go vastly over the top with allegations against her.

      • from what I can see RT is largely made up of very independent high quality Americans…experienced journalists, professors…etc

        …probably if not actually exiled from the USA, at least they have the freedom to explore issues in depth and as they wish

        https://www.rt.com/shows/

  11. Thanks Martin for your astute observations and Frank for his contributions. I feel reassured that at least there is someone out there that sees the reality of this situation. Trump kept kept repeating that the Election was rigged and he wasn’t going down lightly. That was the signal. He new what was going on and that it was being set up for him to win. He may be many things and I would like to say that stupid is not one of them. But Stupid is one of them. This guy is a con man. He has just conned his way into the biggest job in the history of the world. The bigger they are the harder they fall. And fall he will. Hopefully before any damage is done.

  12. I honestly have had enough of all the alt-right conspiracy theorist stuff getting posted on the Daily Blog. It seems to have just grown and grown to a point that it now completely dominates just about every comment thread. While I’m sure losing one progressive reader won’t make anyone cry, as I remove the Daily Blog from my bookmarks, please consider the effect that letting this rubbish proliferate actually has on your audience. Best of luck, Martyn, have often enjoyed and supported what you’ve had to say, and hope you keep fighting the good fight. And Frank. What a legend.

    • I have myself been worried about this, maybe the idea is to offer a free speech forum, but at times it goes over the top, and these commentators seem to get too much air, and hence dominate some posts. Perhaps your honest comment here will be noted by the ones running the show, so do not give TDB up yet, we need more honest, sensible and committed readers AND commenters.

  13. Clinton ruined the careers of her loyal supporters, expecting them to lie and cheat for her, Loretta Lynch, Donna Brazile, Jim Comey, Huma Aberdin, Podesta etc etc. when she heard the result of the election she went into a screaming rage and blamed everyone for her losing,told them they were supposed to get her the presidency,her sense of entitlement was overwhelming,she was so used to getting her own way.
    Not someone that would be a good president.

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