The Greens and Environmentalists have found themselves in the position of attacking Maori Treaty rights in their desire to make the Kermadec’s a marine reserve.
The National Party’s appalling insult to Maoridom and the Maori Party by simply confiscating their hard won rights off them just so National could ingratiate us to America and the UN at a time when our environmental credentials are under attack is the arrogance of a 3 term Government.
What most seem to have missed in this debate is that Maori own the rights to fish these waters, while we all want more marine sanctuaries, you can’t confiscate indigenous owned rights to make those sanctuaries.
News Nick Smith has destroyed this as badly as he has destroyed Housing comes as no surprise and sending in a heavy hitter like Bill English underpins how desperate National will be to keep the Maori Party on board.
It’s always funny how it’s supposed to be Maori who just roll over and have their private property taken off them for the benefit of the public, if it was Pakeha land being taken for the public good, there would be a beige tsunami of rich white people with guns standing next to their letterboxes daring anyone to come and take it from them by force.
Thank goodness Maori are so forgiving.
I am with you entirely on this Martyn,
This was an underhanded attempt too set a legal standard for any future Treaty of Waitangi claims mate as Jonkey has vowed to take everything he can off all KIWIS AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF MAORI THUS SENDING THE REST OF US A CLEAR MESSAGE OF WHAT THEY CAN DO TO US ALL.
Bloody bunch of creeps they are and I am siding with all Māori for their rights to be honoured under the treaty.
“just so National could ingratiate us to America and the UN at a time when our environmental credentials are under attack is the arrogance of a 3 term Government.”
Bollocks – the NZ govt is SOVEREIGN. Maori tribes recognised the sovereign when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi.
Property rights are removed (and compensation given) by the sovereign all the time, roads, parks, right of ways, and yes even marine reserves.
Rubbish aWanderer,
You know very little about that treaty, and promises made were broken since it was signed Christ put some glasses on and read the Waitangi Treaty claims past and present.
Try the recent claim where large areas of tribal land was seized and taken off Maori without any compensation or recognition 160 yrs.’ ago and only now after Māori have fought for recognition is some finally being recognised by government as been taken improperly so truth is now occurring and your claptrap is unbelievably ignorant.
Here’s your first lesson!!!!!!
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11520035
“But it became all so worthwhile on Saturday as the two joined more than 300 others at Te Aute College for the signing of the Heretaunga Tamatea Treaty of Waitangi settlement and heard Minister of Treaty Negotiations Chris Finlayson deliver the latest Crown apology for controversial acquisition of land from Maori in the mid-1800s.
Throughout the 1850s Crown agents persisted in acquiring land “secretly” in consultations that ignored many customary owners, which Mr Finlayson said were “divisive tactics” creating conflict among hapu and leaders, leading to “war and death”.
While Heretaunga Tamatea took internal steps to preserve land, new devices emerged, including the 1865 Native Lands Act, which limited titled ownership to otherwise collectively held land to no more than 10 people, resulting in further divestment, often without knowledge of the shareholders, and often as recourse for indebtedness.
“By 1930, it was a very sad and sorry tale, as I have recounted all too frequently on occasions like this,” Mr Finlayson said. “Heretaunga Tamatea were virtually landless.
“During the 20th century, Heretaunga Tamatea hapu and whanau have suffered social, economic, and cultural marginalisation and today more than half of their people live outside their rohe,” he said.
Exactly right.
The Sealord deal gave them a fishing quota, not an area of ocean.
All the above is happening. I would just hope that Maori are conservationists at heart and would not go in with drag nets as any pakeha would.
Yes we are Martyn ( forgiving) but not all of us some of our people are greedy note I say some because there is good and bad in all ethnic groups. If our Maori people know our tikanga they will forgive they will also share, be kind, considerate and respectful of others cultures.
When has ANY banker-industrialist-opportunist government EVER abided by the terms of a treaty signed to uphold the rights of indigenous occupiers of land? Deceit and exploitation were, and remain, the norm.
Whereas in previous times the loot-and-pollute-and-exploit system was less subtle than nowadays, in present times there is a degree of sophistication to the game being played, a sophistication which keeps the masses believing in the myths promoted by the international banker-industrialist-opportunist empire.
Thus, the death march along the road to extermination of the human species via unrestrained industrialism (a kind of self-extermination), continues, not just unabated but, as abundantly clear over 2016, at the fastest pace ever:
Daily CO2
September 20, 2016: 400.62 ppm
September 20, 2015: 397.32 ppm
Having almost already broken through the ‘1.5oC limit’ supposedly negotiated less than a year ago, we now head for plus 2oC well before 2030.
What do National, the Greens and the Maoris (or anyone else in parliament) propose to do about this dire ‘environmental’ predicament? We already know: make it worse, faster.
Thus we see that the so-called democratic process is a fiasco, a farce geared to continuous sabotage via deception, lies and distraction. Needless to say, most people living in NZ are very uncomfortable with that fundamental truth, and continue to ignore it.
What seems to have been missed is that they’re not customary indigenous fishing grounds. The only reason that they’re available for fishing by NZers at all is because NZ annexed them in the late 19th century.
Given the resentments still held by the Maori Party towards Labour over the Foreshore and Seabed outrages, I hope this marks the end of their beyond-irony relationship with National.
Perhaps jonkey as the CEO of NZ Inc is liable for his decisions/actions :
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/CEOs-Can-Now-Be-Prosecuted-Like-War-Criminals-at-the-Hague-20160916-0013.html
The world desperately needs sanctuaries for fish. They are being relentlessly wiped out on an industrial scale. Moari have not led the way in fish conservation with Sealord and Sanfords leading the charge in bring in slave boats to fish their quota for a quick buck. They could show some leadership in offering support of the Kermadec sanctuary
Who has the rights to fish these waters and what are the underlying principles that justify these rights.
Some facts would be helpful rather than bald assertions.
This National government just can’t stop giving things away that don’t belong to them … NZ’s Wealth & Soe’s & Crown debt (DMO off the books debt -$112bn) now is 54% owned by foreign investors & Creditors. In the earlier part of the 2000’s it was in the low 30’s. -$600bn of residential & rental property “land” values are not included in the inflation calculation either.
The gift to all kiwi’s from the National Government …. a debt laden future for generations to come ….
“What seems to have been missed is that they’re not customary indigenous fishing grounds. The only reason that they’re available for fishing by NZers at all is because NZ annexed them in the late 19th century.”
This x 1000.
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